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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 04:43:51
May 31 2017 04:43 GMT
#153801
WIRED has an article that is better I think than the Guardian. And seeing how DARPA has been working on Missile defense since it's founding, 59 years ago, one wonders how many obstacles have actually been solved. One that six decades of work has yet to find an answer for.

THE UNITED STATES successfully tested its interceptor missile defense system on Tuesday, essentially shooting an incoming missile out of the sky. An impressive technological feat to be sure, one the Pentagon likens to hitting a bullet with another bullet. But as proof that such a system could defend the US against a North Korean attack, it still misses the mark.

Think instead of the $244 million test as a competent recital, a choreographed display of US missile defense capabilities under optimal conditions. It leaves open the question of how the so-called Ground-based Midcourse Defense system would perform under real-world conditions—and how North Korea might respond to this latest demonstration of a system that US has spent almost two decades testing.

The US first tested this descendant of Reagan-era “Star Wars” missile defense ambitions in 1999. It works on a fairly straightforward underlying principle: Hit an incoming missile hard enough to destroy it.

It does this by launching a rocket, which in turn releases a “kill vehicle,” a smaller device with four onboard thrusters and internal guidance systems that send it careening into the incoming missile. The kill vehicle doesn’t carry explosives, it just packs a punch.

Simple enough in theory. The reality is a different matter.

“The ICBM that’s incoming is expected to be going 15,000 miles per hour. The interceptor will be going on the same order, maybe a little slower,” says Laura Grego, senior scientist and global security specialist at the Union of Concerned Scientists. “You’re trying to line up these refrigerator-sized things in space at the same place at the same time. That’s a tricky thing to do.”

That explains the mixed results seen thus far. The US has tested the interceptor system 19 times since 1999, succeeding about half the time. The most recent test, three years ago, marked another success, but three prior attempts fizzled. That kind of success rate is troubling, given the meticulously managed conditions. “These tests are scripted for success,” says Philip Coyle, senior fellow at the Center for Arms Control and Prevention and former head of the Pentagon’s test and evaluation office. “What’s been surprising to me as that they have failed as often as they have in spite of that.”

The US Missile Defense Agency conducts the tests, and scripts the conditions carefully. “The defenders had significant information about the target ahead of time,” says Grego. “They know what it looks like, they know when it’s coming”—factors the Pentagon almost certainly won’t know if North Korea or anyone else lets one fly.

The tests also don’t account for decoys and countermeasures that could throw off the missile defense system—tactics that include technology that confuses the launch-detecting radar systems or infrared sensors aboard the interceptor, or a simple balloon traveling alongside the incoming missile’s reentry vehicle.

All of which amounts to more caution than confidence, a note sounded even by the Pentagon. “Initial indications are that the test met its primary objective,” said Vice Admiral Jim Syring, director of the US Missile Defense Agency, “but program officials will continue to evaluate system performance based upon telemetry and other data obtained during the test.”

In other words? It worked today. But that doesn’t necessarily mean it will work tomorrow—or when the US truly needs it.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
uiCk
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 04:45:28
May 31 2017 04:44 GMT
#153802
Delete
I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 04:47:41
May 31 2017 04:46 GMT
#153803


Makes me wonder that if staff don't want to tell him about the typo/incomplete tweet due to upsetting him.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 04:48:29
May 31 2017 04:46 GMT
#153804
I have to say, being able to shoot a missile with enough precision to make that intercept is genuinely impressive. Sure, it's pretty far from any practical intercept of even the most peasant ICBM, but in and of itself that's something. I kind of wonder what kind of missile they used though...
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 04:48 GMT
#153805
On May 31 2017 13:42 Mohdoo wrote:
When a 70 year old dude is extremely stressed and overweight, I honestly can't help but wonder if he actually just had a heart attack given how long it's been at this point.

Brew yourself a nice cup of covfefe and don't worry about it.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
May 31 2017 04:56 GMT
#153806
If it did turn out that Trump met his end while shitposting about the media on twitter, I don't think his supporters would have it any other way.
Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 05:08:29
May 31 2017 05:07 GMT
#153807
Thank you Twitter.
You can go now.
This has gotten too surreal.
Big water
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 31 2017 05:18 GMT
#153808
Even Merriam is trolling Trump

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 05:18 GMT
#153809
So I think this monster is the missile: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground-Based_Interceptor

And since it became relevant again, I'll link the old LATimes articles on this MDA program:
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-missile-defense-20140615-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/projects/la-na-missile-defense/

While from a technical perspective there is certainly something to appreciate in these intercepts, there is basically no way that this project will be able to intercept a real nuke any time soon.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
May 31 2017 05:20 GMT
#153810
7D chess narrative: Trump posts intentional mistake to his Twitter to make it seem more human and relatable, especially to senior citizen voters who also struggle with technology, and who otherwise might have some healthcare-related beef with him.

Alternate 7D chess narrative: Trump has an elite team of communications experts carefully hammering out every word in his tweets. This one was to throw off the scent about how manufactured his Twitter is.

But no, it's probably just a funny typo.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 31 2017 05:37 GMT
#153811
What if he went out like Elvis? I have to believe that could be a possibility.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
May 31 2017 05:40 GMT
#153812
On May 31 2017 13:29 LegalLord wrote:
Is a typo of an obviously understood rant really newsworthy?


Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't think it's easily understood. I can tell it's a rant, but I have no idea what the last word was meant to be. It looks to me like he accidentally posted mid-sentence and meant to say more.

Is it newsworthy? No, a lot of the stupid stuff he does isn't. But at a certain point people lose the benefit of the doubt and get criticized over every possible thing.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 05:43:04
May 31 2017 05:41 GMT
#153813
How can you not understand that it is meant to be 'coverage' ?

Man, I really hope he didn't die mid-tweet. I don't want this shitshow in the US to end. I suppose GoT will be on again soon to amuse me, but what will I do after that's done?
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 05:41 GMT
#153814
Another LATimes report on the same program: http://graphics.latimes.com/missile-defense/

This one provides a bit more detail on the attempted programs under the missile intercept idea's wings. In case anyone cares.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 05:42:56
May 31 2017 05:42 GMT
#153815
On May 31 2017 14:40 Dromar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 13:29 LegalLord wrote:
Is a typo of an obviously understood rant really newsworthy?


Maybe I'm stupid, but I don't think it's easily understood. I can tell it's a rant, but I have no idea what the last word was meant to be. It looks to me like he accidentally posted mid-sentence and meant to say more.

Is it newsworthy? No, a lot of the stupid stuff he does isn't. But at a certain point people lose the benefit of the doubt and get criticized over every possible thing.

"Despite the evil media's coverage we are doing amazing #MAGA" or something of the sort.

I have to admit though, it's a bit funnier than I originally gave it credit for, so whatever.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 31 2017 05:42 GMT
#153816
On May 31 2017 14:20 ChristianS wrote:
7D chess narrative: Trump posts intentional mistake to his Twitter to make it seem more human and relatable, especially to senior citizen voters who also struggle with technology, and who otherwise might have some healthcare-related beef with him.

Alternate 7D chess narrative: Trump has an elite team of communications experts carefully hammering out every word in his tweets. This one was to throw off the scent about how manufactured his Twitter is.

But no, it's probably just a funny typo.

One of Trunp's more endearing aspects is knowing it's almost certainly Trump tweeting badly in the middle of the night. Clinton, as a randomly picked counter example, would've had a ten-member team deliberate over it for an hour and post thirty emails later. But with Trump it's Trump being Trump for better and mostly for worse.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 31 2017 05:43 GMT
#153817
Wonder the reason why stopped mid sentence was, and why it hasn't been deleted yet.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 31 2017 05:46 GMT
#153818
On May 31 2017 14:41 a_flayer wrote:
How can you not understand that it is meant to be 'coverage' ?

Man, I really hope he didn't die mid-tweet. I don't want this shitshow in the US to end. I suppose GoT will be on again soon to amuse me, but what will I do after that's done?

New season of House of Cards is up, if you have Netflix.

And never did I ever imagine that show would let me escape from reality like it does right now. Oof.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
May 31 2017 05:52 GMT
#153819
a question for ya'll missile experts - if interceptors have, say, a 1/2 - 2/3 chance of landing a successful hit, why not just launch multiple at a target?
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Dromar
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States2145 Posts
May 31 2017 05:53 GMT
#153820
My joke explanation is they found out he got his twitter back and had to wrestle the phone out of his hands mid tweet.
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