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NewSunshine
Profile Joined July 2011
United States5938 Posts
May 31 2017 05:59 GMT
#153821
People wasted no fucking time on this one:
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I'm so happy, that at least we can be brought together, as a people, for the things that matter most.
"If you find yourself feeling lost, take pride in the accuracy of your feelings." - Night Vale
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 05:59 GMT
#153822
On May 31 2017 14:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
a question for ya'll missile experts - if interceptors have, say, a 1/2 - 2/3 chance of landing a successful hit, why not just launch multiple at a target?

1. These tests are more show than accurate simulation. The scenarios are highly unrealistic. The first one honestly shouldn't miss.
2. How exactly do you want to launch multiple missiles? Come up with multiple trajectories that would reach the intercept, some more feasible than others? You kind of are on a very strict timetable here.
3. Wasting missiles on a downed rocket is one of the major concerns here. If 3-4 missiles would saturate the entire defense system, then lol.
4. Most of the work involved is in tracking the missiles, both the attacking and intercepting one. Those resources are quite limited.

The simpler answer is that it just doesn't work that way and it isn't exactly a random chance fault of why the interceptors are failing.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18004 Posts
May 31 2017 06:12 GMT
#153823
On May 31 2017 14:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
a question for ya'll missile experts - if interceptors have, say, a 1/2 - 2/3 chance of landing a successful hit, why not just launch multiple at a target?

Presumably because the chance of failure is not independent between multiple rockets, and whatever causes the first one to fail is extremely likely to cause all subsequent ones to fail too.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 06:16 GMT
#153824
On May 31 2017 14:59 NewSunshine wrote:
People wasted no fucking time on this one:
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I'm so happy, that at least we can be brought together, as a people, for the things that matter most.

There are 28 covfefes there right now. Urbandictionary sure can approve words fast when it matters.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23246 Posts
May 31 2017 06:17 GMT
#153825
On May 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 14:59 NewSunshine wrote:
People wasted no fucking time on this one:
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I'm so happy, that at least we can be brought together, as a people, for the things that matter most.

There are 28 covfefes there right now. Urbandictionary sure can approve words fast when it matters.


I welcome it as a relieve from the constant Russia stuff, but bunch of people going to look like tools when they find out it was a stroke and they celebrate.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 06:19 GMT
#153826
On May 31 2017 15:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 15:16 LegalLord wrote:
On May 31 2017 14:59 NewSunshine wrote:
People wasted no fucking time on this one:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


I'm so happy, that at least we can be brought together, as a people, for the things that matter most.

There are 28 covfefes there right now. Urbandictionary sure can approve words fast when it matters.


I welcome it as a relieve from the constant Russia stuff, but bunch of people going to look like tools when they find out it was a stroke and they celebrate.

Meh, it's worth it for the midnight laughs. I can feel bad about it when I wake up tomorrow with insufficient sleep because of too much covfefe.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7310 Posts
May 31 2017 06:22 GMT
#153827
I want to assume his tweet was intended to be "despite the negative media coverage, you're all still none the wiser to my true russia ties!" and his aides just tackled him to the ground midtweet.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 06:27:50
May 31 2017 06:25 GMT
#153828
On May 31 2017 15:22 Zambrah wrote:
I want to assume his tweet was intended to be "despite the negative media coverage, you're all still none the wiser to my true russia ties!" and his aides just tackled him to the ground midtweet.

What if it were FBI agents who tackled him #onecanhope

covfefe will be a new chapter in the 2040's kids history books
Neosteel Enthusiast
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
May 31 2017 06:38 GMT
#153829
On May 31 2017 13:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
???


Anyone want to start making bets on how long before this gets corrected? I say 7 hours from the time of initial posting.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 06:43 GMT
#153830
Too many likes and retweets. He can't take it down without compromising his ego anymore.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
a_flayer
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands2826 Posts
May 31 2017 06:43 GMT
#153831
On May 31 2017 15:38 TheLordofAwesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 31 2017 13:22 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
???

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869766994899468288

Anyone want to start making bets on how long before this gets corrected? I say 7 hours from the time of initial posting.

It is said that the God-Emperor sleeps only 4 hours a night.
When you came along so righteous with a new national hate, so convincing is the ardor of war and of men, it's harder to breathe than to believe you're a friend. The wars at home, the wars abroad, all soaked in blood and lies and fraud.
TheLordofAwesome
Profile Joined May 2014
Korea (South)2655 Posts
May 31 2017 06:49 GMT
#153832
Apparently there are bombs going off in Kabul near the diplomatic area. Dozens of casualties so far.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11354 Posts
May 31 2017 06:58 GMT
#153833
Yeah- noticed the Kabul hashtag when I was looking at how many countries had Trump's tweet trending (represented on all continents but Antarctica for obvious reason).

BBC reporting 49 killed and 320 wounded- vehicle bomb and near the German embassy.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 09:47:22
May 31 2017 09:18 GMT
#153834
80 people killed now already it seems. Must have been a huge explosion.

edit: Rip covfefe it lasted 6 hours
Neosteel Enthusiast
TheNewEra
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany3128 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 09:55:47
May 31 2017 09:52 GMT
#153835
On May 31 2017 18:18 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
80 people killed now already it seems. Must have been a huge explosion.

edit: Rip covfefe it lasted 6 hours

Well this is the german embassy now even tho the explosion was 300m away (apparantly). Apparantly the perpetrator used a fuel truck (fuel tanker, not sure which word is fitting)

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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 31 2017 12:31 GMT
#153836
President Donald Trump’s effort to fill hundreds of vacant jobs across the federal government has hit a new snag: Russia.

Potential hires are paying close attention to the expanding investigations, which have now begun to touch senior Trump aides, with some questioning whether they want to join the administration.

Four people who work closely with prospective nominees told POLITICO that some potential hires are having second thoughts about trying to land executive branch appointments as federal and congressional investigations threaten to pose a serious distraction to Trump’s agenda.

“It’s an additional factor that makes what was an already complicated process of staffing the government even harder,” said Max Stier, head of the Partnership for Public Service, which has advised the Trump transition on hiring.

According to the nonpartisan Partnership for Public Service, the White House has announced nominees for just 117 of the 559 most important Senate-confirmed positions.

That trails the records of Presidents Barack Obama and George W. Bush, who had each nominated about twice as many people by this point in the first year of their first terms.

Trump has not yet nominated a No. 2 at the Agriculture Department, Education Department, Department of Veterans Affairs or Environmental Protection Agency, and dozens of top positions at every federal agency remain vacant. Trump’s nominees for deputy secretary of Commerce and Treasury both withdrew.

One lawyer who represents prospective political appointees told POLITICO that three clients said over the past two weeks that they are no longer interested in working for the Trump administration following the appointment of Robert Mueller as special counsel overseeing the federal investigation into Trump associates’ contacts with Russian officials during the campaign.

“There’s no doubt in my mind that people are being very cautious, to put it mildly,” this lawyer said, adding that there is growing concern in Republican circles that the caliber of hires could deteriorate if the administration’s top picks drop out.

“You’re going to have a situation where they’re going to have trouble getting A-list or even B-list people to sign up,” the lawyer added.

Others agreed. “With all that is going on now, there is certainly a greater amount of hesitation,” said a former government official who regularly speaks with one of Trump’s Cabinet secretaries. “They have a real talent problem that continues to grow.”

A White House spokeswoman said the Russia investigation and the series of news stories that have pummeled the administration in recent weeks have had no impact on hiring. She said the president is recruiting individuals “of the highest quality.”

But the steady stream of palace intrigue stories about internal tensions and plans for a staff shakeup — after months of rumors about various senior officials getting pushed out — are making it harder to persuade people to join the administration, another White House official said.

White House communications director Michael Dubke said Tuesday he will leave his role, while Trump is weighing the possibility of bringing former campaign aides Corey Lewandowski and David Bossie into the White House.

“It’s not the best place to work right now, but you’re still working at the White House, so there are far worse jobs,” the official said.

Former Bush and Obama administration officials who worked on personnel issues told POLITICO they never struggled to find qualified candidates for top jobs.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 31 2017 12:34 GMT
#153837
Rumor mill has it that Trump wants to ultimately leave the Paris Accords.

Fuck everything. Besides the environmental effect this is going to shit on US reputation in a much more concrete way than just words.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 31 2017 12:42 GMT
#153838
That and economically fuck us harder than ever.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 12:44:13
May 31 2017 12:43 GMT
#153839
ON MAY 17th Robert Mueller, a respected former director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, was appointed as special counsel by the Department of Justice to run the FBI’s investigation into whether Russia attempted to influence America’s presidential election in November, and whether it did so in co-odination with members of Donald Trump’s campaign team. Four separate Senate and House committees are already investigating the same matter. But thanks to the FBI’s ample resources, Mr Mueller’s will be the main probe: he is empowered to press charges if he sees fit. Should the congressional committees be disbanded?

On the face of it, that might make sense: Mr Mueller is now the gatekeeper to much of the information gathered by the FBI. In the two weeks since his appointment, congressional leaders have started to realise that he will decide whether they get access to critical documents and witnesses. They are trying to persuade Mr Mueller to allow a public testimony and the release of documents from James Comey, who was abruptly sacked as boss of the FBI by Mr Trump on May 9th. Mr Comey has agreed to testify before the Senate intelligence committee, which oversees America’s spy agencies, but the committee must co-ordinate his appearance with Mr Mueller, who is still reviewing the committee’s request to see the memos. Congressional leaders do not want their probes shut down; they regard their oversight as critical to ensuring the process is transparent and public. The findings of any probe are unlikely to be accepted by the public if all of the hearings are conducted in closed sessions and all work done behind closed doors, argues Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the House intelligence committee. Jason Chaffetz, a Republican who is chair of the House oversight and government reform committee, points out that conducting investigations is the constitutional prerogative of Congress.
Other bodies are getting involved as well: the Federal Election Commission, which is already looking into a complaint against Mr Trump and the Russian government, filed in December by two watchdogs, is also considering whether to investigate allegations that Russian agents paid for Facebook ads that spread damaging stories about Hillary Clinton. And the business dealings of Michael Flynn, who was forced out of his job as Mr Trump’s national security adviser because of his undisclosed contacts with Russia, are also under scrutiny. A grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, reportedly recently issued subpoenas for records related to Flynn Intel Group, Mr Flynn’s company. He is also being investigated for foreign payments he received, by the Pentagon’s top watchdog.

The multitude of probes is confusing and might at times be counterproductive. But they may help to ensure nothing is missed. It is no bad thing to have Mr Mueller taking the lead. If anyone can convince a divided America that impartial probes are still possible, it may be Mr Mueller, who is held as a model of probity and was appointed by George W. Bush. And despite the flaws typical of Congressional probes—they tend to be shaped by partisan loyalties, and members of Congress are prone to posturing for the cameras—there is real value in Americans seeing the executive branch of government made to answer their elected representatives. In an era of alarmingly low trust in government, whatever these committees manage to uncover, they will have played an important role in restoring Americans’ confidence that their country adheres to the rule of law.

Source

Looks kind of like a chaotic glory hunt - who will be the one to catch the Russian conspiracy within our government? Congress. DOJ, FEC, or someone else?
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-31 12:46:27
May 31 2017 12:46 GMT
#153840
I too read that Trump wants to leave the Paris climatic agreement, but anything else would have surprised me. Trump doesn't give a fuck about the (far) future and as a business person like him environmental protection is bothersome.
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