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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 31 2017 21:42 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: That and economically fuck us harder than ever. I don't think it's going to fuck you economically right away... but perhaps in 20-30 years when other nations like Germany, Japan etc are ahead in the game? No matter how much people in the US like fossil fuels you can't expect that era to last an awful lot longer. Unless fusion actually happens out of nowhere in which case we're probably all equally behind? Oh btw, I just saw this: Trump pulling U.S. out of Paris climate deal: Axios report so not a rumor anymore? (reading right now) | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:04 Toadesstern wrote: I don't think it's going to fuck you economically right away... but perhaps in 20-30 years when other nations like Germany, Japan etc are ahead of the game? No matter how much people in the US like fossil fuels you can't expect that era to last an awful lot longer. Unless fusion actually happens out of nowhere in which case we're probably all equally behind? I don’t know about you, but I’m really interested in the 20-30 year economic plan since that is about the length of my mortgage. I would like to avoid a slow regression into economic stagnation while our infrastructure crumbles. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:08 Plansix wrote: I don’t know about you, but I’m really interested in the 20-30 year economic plan since that is about the length of my mortgage. I would like to avoid a slow regression into economic stagnation while our infrastructure crumbles. well yeah, but TRUMP doesn't have to care about it. Noone will think about him in 20-30 years. Hell the man is in his 70ths I think, he might not be alive by that time anymore | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10848 Posts
Average leaders get forgotten, truely horrible or astonishingly good ones not so much. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:09 Toadesstern wrote: well yeah, but TRUMP doesn't have to care about it. Noone will think about him in 20-30 years. Hell the man is in his 70ths I think, he might not be alive by that time anymore We will remember Nixon, Bush and Neville Chamberlin for centuries. Trump is going down that road. His nativestic economic policies could throw us into another recession. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3295 Posts
On May 31 2017 21:34 LegalLord wrote: Rumor mill has it that Trump wants to ultimately leave the Paris Accords. Fuck everything. Besides the environmental effect this is going to shit on US reputation in a much more concrete way than just words. You were the one that wanted to watch the world burn | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:19 ChristianS wrote: You were the one that wanted to watch the world burn I believe the exact quote was “chaos is fun”. A better one is “elections have consequences.” | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32746 Posts
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Trainrunnef
United States599 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:29 PhoenixVoid wrote: The U.S. will join Syria and Nicaragua as members of the exclusive club of countries not having signed on the Paris Accords. I can certainly understand Syria right now, and Nicaragua even, but the U.S. is disturbingly becoming the international pariah. The sad thing is that in some circles people are actually happy about that... | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13395 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:29 PhoenixVoid wrote: The U.S. will join Syria and Nicaragua as members of the exclusive club of countries not having signed on the Paris Accords. I can certainly understand Syria right now, and Nicaragua even, but the U.S. is disturbingly becoming the international pariah. Think of all the scientific work on climate that won't be done because of this. Think of all the new products and processes to handle climate that won't be made, developed or implemented in the US because of this. Think of the world standing USA will lose because of this. Think of the economic engine that the USA is ignoring. Think of the people that continue to work in dying industries that can't retrain because of this. Think of all the opportunities new business ventures and intelligent people are going to leave the US for because of this. Yep. What a businessman. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:19 ChristianS wrote: You were the one that wanted to watch the world burn Let's just say I'm a tad less upset about this than the Europeans will be. The consequences of electability may include environmental harm. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:36 Trainrunnef wrote: The sad thing is that in some circles people are actually happy about that... Thank decades of corporate propaganda worshiping the Invisible Hand as the only thing that can bring to progress. And then throw in a healthy mix of government favoritism towards fossil fuels. We will choke on our own Koolaid. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On May 31 2017 21:34 LegalLord wrote: Rumor mill has it that Trump wants to ultimately leave the Paris Accords. Fuck everything. Besides the environmental effect this is going to shit on US reputation in a much more concrete way than just words. I don't think I've ever seen a post like this from you before... | ||
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Slydie
1929 Posts
On May 31 2017 23:03 ticklishmusic wrote: trump is a fucking idiot. his own secretary of state who was head of exxon fucking mobil supports the paris accords. I think the main issue is the clear picture that Trump's USA is not an ally or tradepartner that can be trusted, but he is still going to make all those great trade-deals, and create jobs, right? | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On May 31 2017 23:10 Slydie wrote: I think the main issue is the clear picture that Trump's USA is not an ally or tradepartner that can be trusted, but he is still going to make all those great trade-deals, and create jobs, right? idk. but i hope the rest of the world puts the fucking screws on the US for this. if trump thinks what's on the table now is a bad deal, put a worse one on the table. hit us with the carbon taxes and everything, it might be the only way to get it through trump's thick skull. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
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a_flayer
Netherlands2826 Posts
On May 31 2017 22:29 PhoenixVoid wrote: The U.S. will join Syria and Nicaragua as members of the exclusive club of countries not having signed on the Paris Accords. I can certainly understand Syria right now, and Nicaragua even, but the U.S. is disturbingly becoming the international pariah. Nicaragua only pulled out because they think it is pointless to have an unenforceable agreement. They are in fact making great strides in becoming carbon neutral: "The decision was made that we had to begin shifting towards renewable energy," says Gabriel Sánchez, who works for the business promotion agency ProNicaragua. "A set of policies was put in place that would allow renewable energy projects to be developed in Nicaragua." In addition to the resulting tax breaks, energy companies like Nicaragua's current stability after decades of revolution, civil war and economic chaos. One firm, Nevada-based Ram Power, has sunk more than $400 million into the Polaris geothermal plant located next to Telíca volcano. ... Renewables now generate nearly half of Nicaragua's electricity, a figure that government officials predict could rise to 80 percent within a few years. That compares to just 13 percent in the United States. And it may be just the beginning. There is so much untapped energy in Nicaragua that it's planning to export electricity to its Central American neighbors. Source (old article, just for reference) (incidentally my signature is part of a quote about Nicaragua) | ||
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