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On May 20 2017 04:56 biology]major wrote:
Lol could you imagine how Mueller reads this situation? His old pal was fired, then was mocked for being a nut job by Trump to the Russians to "ease the pressure" off the Russia investigation. I know he's supposed to be searching for the truth, but Trump is pouring chum in shark infested waters without realizing it.
A comment from Reddit:
"They kept making up fake news about me having ties to Russia," he told the Russian spy he invited into the Oval Office at Putin's request.
Donald really is not making it easy for himself
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Trump is just so stupid... even if absolutely nothing were to come out of the Russia investigation itself, he is going to be impeached one way or another with statements like that.
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On May 20 2017 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:56 biology]major wrote:
Lol could you imagine how Mueller reads this situation? His old pal was fired, then was mocked for being a nut job by Trump to the Russians to "ease the pressure" off the Russia investigation. I know he's supposed to be searching for the truth, but Trump is pouring chum in shark infested waters without realizing it. A comment from Reddit: "They kept making up fake news about me having ties to Russia," he told the Russian spy he invited into the Oval Office at Putin's request.Donald really is not making it easy for himself
Don't forget that he said this at a meeting only Russian press was allowed into. Guess we can see why now.
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Just to close out the Seth Rich nonsense. No, just asking questions is not okay. There are no excuses for pushing this nonsense any further. Let the police do their jobs.
"Your improper and unauthorized statements, many of which are false and have no basis in fact, have also injured the memory and reputation of Seth Rich and have defamed and injured the reputation and standing of the members of the Family," Ingrisano continued.
The letter demands Wheeler "immediately and permanently" cease and desist from making any comments about Seth Rich or his death and suggests he could face further legal action either way.
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Wheeler has since completely recanted his story, both in the press and in a private message to Rich's family.
The private investigator told other outlets the Fox reporter essentially put words in his mouth by giving him information that he then repeated in an on-camera interview. "That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," he told BuzzFeed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211
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On May 20 2017 05:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On May 20 2017 04:56 biology]major wrote:
Lol could you imagine how Mueller reads this situation? His old pal was fired, then was mocked for being a nut job by Trump to the Russians to "ease the pressure" off the Russia investigation. I know he's supposed to be searching for the truth, but Trump is pouring chum in shark infested waters without realizing it. A comment from Reddit: "They kept making up fake news about me having ties to Russia," he told the Russian spy he invited into the Oval Office at Putin's request.Donald really is not making it easy for himself Don't forget that he said this at a meeting only Russian press was allowed into. Guess we can see why now.
I don't think that's entirely accurate. I believe the Russians had a state photographer (TASS is wholly owned by the Russian Federation), but so did the US (I don't know whether they'd be part of some government agency, or maybe just a White House photographer/media person). However, no independent press was allowed in. The US government just didn't publish any pictures they may have taken (and only wrote an inaccurate statement about the meeting), while the Russian Foreign Ministry published their pictures to troll the West with the broad smiling face of Trump.
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On May 20 2017 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 04:56 biology]major wrote:
Lol could you imagine how Mueller reads this situation? His old pal was fired, then was mocked for being a nut job by Trump to the Russians to "ease the pressure" off the Russia investigation. I know he's supposed to be searching for the truth, but Trump is pouring chum in shark infested waters without realizing it. A comment from Reddit: "They kept making up fake news about me having ties to Russia," he told the Russian spy he invited into the Oval Office at Putin's request.Donald really is not making it easy for himself
playing life on hardmode. i can almost respect that. 
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On May 20 2017 05:21 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:16 TheTenthDoc wrote:On May 20 2017 04:58 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On May 20 2017 04:56 biology]major wrote:
Lol could you imagine how Mueller reads this situation? His old pal was fired, then was mocked for being a nut job by Trump to the Russians to "ease the pressure" off the Russia investigation. I know he's supposed to be searching for the truth, but Trump is pouring chum in shark infested waters without realizing it. A comment from Reddit: "They kept making up fake news about me having ties to Russia," he told the Russian spy he invited into the Oval Office at Putin's request.Donald really is not making it easy for himself Don't forget that he said this at a meeting only Russian press was allowed into. Guess we can see why now. I don't think that's entirely accurate. I believe the Russians had a state photographer (TASS is wholly owned by the Russian Federation), but so did the US (I don't know whether they'd be part of some government agency, or maybe just a White House photographer/media person). However, no independent press was allowed in. The US government just didn't publish any pictures they may have taken (and only wrote an inaccurate statement about the meeting), while the Russian Foreign Ministry published their pictures to troll the West with the broad smiling face of Trump.
Fair enough. I can't actually tell from reading whether the U.S. official photog folks got to take pictures, but they probably did.
This story does put whoever is in charge of "not editing" the Russian transcripts of the meeting put forward to show Trump didn't declassify anything in a tough place, interestingly enough, especially if there's an actual official White House memo documenting it and they keep up the non-denial.
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There is a dedicated White House photographer. I don't know if they were in the room at the time. It would be weird if they did not publish the photos after not inviting the press.
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The part I find most amusing about all this is the wapo and nyt waiting until air force one had taken off to drop this story. Made it impossible for the white house to hide.
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On May 20 2017 02:39 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 02:33 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2017 02:28 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 20 2017 02:22 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2017 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not sure we know the emails wikileaks put out were hacked and not leaked.
The DNC servers were never even given over to any of the agencies people like to site as all agreeing on the hacks. They gave them over to law enforcement. Are you talking about private agencies? Did they? Which ones? Not the FBI? I mean the We have 17, 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military who have all concluded that these espionage attacks, these cyber attacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin. And they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing, which people interpret to mean that 17 agencies all agree that the DNC hacks were Russia and given to wikileaks. I'm saying Wikileaks denies that they got them from hacks at all and says they were leaked, and there isn't this concrete surety about the DNC emails being a result of a Russian hack as you are suggesting. There is no evidence that has convinced you, is what you are saying. The CIA and several private firms have stated that they believe it was Russia. That is not sufficient for you, which is fine. I will amend my statement and say that a lot of people believe the hacks were the result targeted phishing by Russia and not an internal leak. There is no evidence really. I mean basically you have someone the DNC paid to write a report writing a report that was conducive to what the people paying them wanted? If I'm not mistaken the suggestion that the CIA/FBI think it was Russia feeding info to Wikileaks (presumably the DNC leaks) is an anonymous rumor? They do think Russia was trying to influence the election (I think that's widely agreed upon) but the idea that the Wikileaks emails came from Russia I think is little more than a rumor? Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 02:38 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2017 02:27 a_flayer wrote:On May 20 2017 02:22 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2017 02:17 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not sure we know the emails wikileaks put out were hacked and not leaked.
The DNC servers were never even given over to any of the agencies people like to site as all agreeing on the hacks. They gave them over to law enforcement. Are you talking about private agencies? The way I understood it, the DNC servers were never inspected by the FBI or any of the US Intelligence agencies. They were inspected by Crowdstrike. http://edition.cnn.com/2017/01/05/politics/fbi-russia-hacking-dnc-crowdstrike/index.html This time article states at an official at the CIA said wikileaks did not release personal information that was on teh server at the time of the hack. I don't know how they would know that unless they looked at it. http://time.com/4625301/cia-russia-wikileaks-dnc-hacking/I am willing to accept that some people are not willing the US intelligence services at face value. There is more than enough reason for that belief. But there is not way the DNC's severs were never looked at by law enforcement. Yeah, the article says it's an anonymous source, and you're presuming they looked at it because an anonymous source said they made a conclusion?
just trying to be clear on your stance (i'm bad at using bold so i'm copy/pasting relevant parts instead):
you stated "If I'm not mistaken the suggestion that the CIA/FBI think it was Russia feeding info to Wikileaks (presumably the DNC leaks) is an anonymous rumor?"
so if I'm reading that correctly, and restate what you said in my own words:
cia/fbi haven't asserted that wikileaks got the hacked info from russia.
is that correct on your position?
what is your position on whether russia hacked the dnc? (regardless of what they did with the info)
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rumor/ not quite confirmed that jared kushner is the "senior white house official" who is now part of the investigation.
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On May 20 2017 05:33 Plansix wrote:
There is a dedicated White House photographer. I don't know if they were in the room at the time. It would be weird if they did not publish the photos after not inviting the press.
I can't find any photo gallery on the White House website. It was there last year under Obama, but it's just gone now.
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On May 20 2017 05:50 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:33 Plansix wrote:
There is a dedicated White House photographer. I don't know if they were in the room at the time. It would be weird if they did not publish the photos after not inviting the press. I can't find any photo gallery on the White House website. It was there last year under Obama, but it's just gone now.
NPR did a story about the new photographer. But the White House controls the photos. To be honest, I’m not sure they even are aware they should be posting them.
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On May 20 2017 05:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
rumor/ not quite confirmed that jared kushner is the "senior white house official" who is now part of the investigation.
All indications are that he has been the one most aggressively pushing to end the Russia investigation. Somehow I imagine the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
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On May 20 2017 05:57 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:43 ticklishmusic wrote:
rumor/ not quite confirmed that jared kushner is the "senior white house official" who is now part of the investigation. All indications are that he has been the one most aggressively pushing to end the Russia investigation. Somehow I imagine the apple didn't fall far from the tree.
Jared Kushner, calling it now.
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On May 20 2017 05:18 JW_DTLA wrote:Just to close out the Seth Rich nonsense. No, just asking questions is not okay. There are no excuses for pushing this nonsense any further. Let the police do their jobs. Show nested quote +"Your improper and unauthorized statements, many of which are false and have no basis in fact, have also injured the memory and reputation of Seth Rich and have defamed and injured the reputation and standing of the members of the Family," Ingrisano continued.
The letter demands Wheeler "immediately and permanently" cease and desist from making any comments about Seth Rich or his death and suggests he could face further legal action either way.
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Wheeler has since completely recanted his story, both in the press and in a private message to Rich's family.
The private investigator told other outlets the Fox reporter essentially put words in his mouth by giving him information that he then repeated in an on-camera interview. "That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," he told BuzzFeed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211
I don't find the Seth Rich stuff nonsense at all. The circumstances of his death and how it was handled has been sketchy as hell. Really wish we got a thorough investigation on it.
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On May 20 2017 06:22 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:18 JW_DTLA wrote:Just to close out the Seth Rich nonsense. No, just asking questions is not okay. There are no excuses for pushing this nonsense any further. Let the police do their jobs. "Your improper and unauthorized statements, many of which are false and have no basis in fact, have also injured the memory and reputation of Seth Rich and have defamed and injured the reputation and standing of the members of the Family," Ingrisano continued.
The letter demands Wheeler "immediately and permanently" cease and desist from making any comments about Seth Rich or his death and suggests he could face further legal action either way.
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Wheeler has since completely recanted his story, both in the press and in a private message to Rich's family.
The private investigator told other outlets the Fox reporter essentially put words in his mouth by giving him information that he then repeated in an on-camera interview. "That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," he told BuzzFeed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211 I don't find the Seth Rich stuff nonsense at all. The circumstances of his death and how it was handled has been sketchy as hell. Really wish we got a thorough investigation on it.
Police departments do not comment on ongoing investigations. The FBI has not become involved and there is not evidence they were ever requested to becoming involved by the DC police. Is the FBI supposed to jump in because reddit really thinks something happened?
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On May 20 2017 03:37 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 03:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:On May 20 2017 03:25 a_flayer wrote:On May 20 2017 03:24 Plansix wrote:On May 20 2017 03:20 a_flayer wrote:On May 20 2017 03:07 TheTenthDoc wrote:
The only evidence suggesting that Seth Rich was involved in anything with Wikileaks was the private investigator telling Fox that he thought there was a chance of it.
The next day, the private investigator said he said that because the Fox people told him there was a chance of it, and it seemed like a possibility.
So basically if you believe Fox has privileged information they for some reason aren't revealing, then I guess it makes sense to think there was any development in the Seth Rich case. The only evidence suggesting that Russia leaked the data essentially comes down to opportunity (they hacked) and motive (they dislike Clinton/preferred Trump). Seth Rich, as a programmer, was someone who likely had certain privileges in the DNC IT infrastructure, potentially giving him the opportunity to access the data. If he was indeed a Bernie supporter (I've seen this suggested in various places, but never really substantiated), then that'd be his potential motive. So in both cases, you can reason towards opportunity and motive quite easily. You don't need to go to Fox News or other fake news sources at all. You have to want it pretty hard, though. That is a lot of things to assume with no evidence to back it up. It also plays into this weird view of the DNC where they are capable of covering up a murder of their own staff, but totally incompetent about getting hacked and losing the election. Getting away with murder is pretty hard. Nah, as I said before, the murder could just as easily be a random unrelated factor in this. You don't investigate for murder just because someone can think of reasons why a death could possibly be murder. He's a young male with no criminal history as far as I'm aware who died under suspicious circumstances and he worked for a political organization during a heated election season. Why would you not be skeptical around these circumstances? Do you guys just choose to be selectively skeptical when it matches your agenda? You don't need to go full conspiracy theorist and make grandiose claims, but there should be an attempt to recognize and get to the bottom of it.
I'd just as soon believe the DNC killed him as I would him being taken out as a political scapegoat by the same people leaving the Trail of Dead Russians.
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On May 20 2017 06:22 LuckyFool wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2017 05:18 JW_DTLA wrote:Just to close out the Seth Rich nonsense. No, just asking questions is not okay. There are no excuses for pushing this nonsense any further. Let the police do their jobs. "Your improper and unauthorized statements, many of which are false and have no basis in fact, have also injured the memory and reputation of Seth Rich and have defamed and injured the reputation and standing of the members of the Family," Ingrisano continued.
The letter demands Wheeler "immediately and permanently" cease and desist from making any comments about Seth Rich or his death and suggests he could face further legal action either way.
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Wheeler has since completely recanted his story, both in the press and in a private message to Rich's family.
The private investigator told other outlets the Fox reporter essentially put words in his mouth by giving him information that he then repeated in an on-camera interview. "That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate," he told BuzzFeed.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/slain-dnc-staffer-s-family-orders-blabbing-detective-cease-desist-n762211 I don't find the Seth Rich stuff nonsense at all. The circumstances of his death and how it was handled has been sketchy as hell. Really wish we got a thorough investigation on it.
No it has not. Did you read the recanting by the PI Wheeler that I quoted out for you? Did you read the denials of the FBI of their involvement that are in the linked piece? You are engaging in Just-Asking-Question rumor mongering without any supporting evidence. There is zero support for the Wikileaks/FOX/Hannity assertions of conspiracy. The initial assertions were planted by Fox5 and recanted on the record by Wheeler.
EDIT: to Gahlo, yes, the opposite conspiracy is more plausible than the Hillary Clinton Kill Team. Russia does have a long history of killing leakers/journalists/loose ends.
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