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I've been attacked with a huge piece of rock last year in Brookings while I was holding both TR and US flags by some people who wave PKK banner. Police chased him in the crowd, took him to the car but 2 hours later I saw him again. Armenians also protest but never attacks, just mutual taunts and boos. That bleeding Turkish may be a citizen too.
If I was to worry about some harm coming to my citizens on my soil, I would pray to the gods to forbid any policies US to take Pkk d disagrees, you know those citizens are eager to blow themselves up if Pkk orders that. I don't want to derail the topic, as I said, time will tell how bad was to support this idelogy.
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On May 17 2017 07:44 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 07:43 Doodsmack wrote:
Trump asked Comey to stop the investigation - it's obstruction. He said "I hope you can let this go". The Republican defence, as stated in this thread is "He asked, he didn't order". I'm sure that will go over well.
Fucking christ I was being satirical. Don't lot me in with Trumpets.
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Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
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The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458
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On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458
Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen.
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The press corps don't care if the briefing happens or not. You would think people would grasp that by now.
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Yeah the real stories are outside of the briefing room...the briefing room is just confirmation that Trump has no good explanation for what he's doing.
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On May 17 2017 13:08 Plansix wrote:
The press corps don't care if the briefing happens or not. You would think people would grasp that by now.
They bitched moaned and complained at its mere suggestion. I read it in articles and heard it from the vast majority of journalists on twitter. They cared and showed they cared. For some people, showing up to ask questions and report on what happened is a huge part of their job.
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On May 17 2017 04:12 pmh wrote:
Day after day (according to the media) trump commits treason,violates the constitution,has conflicts of interests,is obstruction the work of the justice department.
How can this man still be in office? The usa is starting to look more like a banana republic by the day.
Like the American media they write all these horrible things about him all the time,yet he still does not get impeached. That can only mean that the American democracy is rotten to the bone. That is the only logical conclusion based on the picture the media is picturing us.
I feel like this is the only post I need to have read out of the last couple hundred. Was there other good stuff?
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On May 17 2017 13:29 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 04:12 pmh wrote:
Day after day (according to the media) trump commits treason,violates the constitution,has conflicts of interests,is obstruction the work of the justice department.
How can this man still be in office? The usa is starting to look more like a banana republic by the day.
Like the American media they write all these horrible things about him all the time,yet he still does not get impeached. That can only mean that the American democracy is rotten to the bone. That is the only logical conclusion based on the picture the media is picturing us. I feel like this is the only post I need to have read out of the last couple hundred. Was there other good stuff?
You would have loved the kasich sanders bro sesh
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On May 17 2017 13:32 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 13:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 17 2017 04:12 pmh wrote:
Day after day (according to the media) trump commits treason,violates the constitution,has conflicts of interests,is obstruction the work of the justice department.
How can this man still be in office? The usa is starting to look more like a banana republic by the day.
Like the American media they write all these horrible things about him all the time,yet he still does not get impeached. That can only mean that the American democracy is rotten to the bone. That is the only logical conclusion based on the picture the media is picturing us. I feel like this is the only post I need to have read out of the last couple hundred. Was there other good stuff? You would have loved the kasich sanders bro sesh
That sounds good, watching those two was a reminder of how crazy people are for wanting Trump v Clinton instead.
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On May 17 2017 13:35 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 13:32 biology]major wrote:On May 17 2017 13:29 GreenHorizons wrote:On May 17 2017 04:12 pmh wrote:
Day after day (according to the media) trump commits treason,violates the constitution,has conflicts of interests,is obstruction the work of the justice department.
How can this man still be in office? The usa is starting to look more like a banana republic by the day.
Like the American media they write all these horrible things about him all the time,yet he still does not get impeached. That can only mean that the American democracy is rotten to the bone. That is the only logical conclusion based on the picture the media is picturing us. I feel like this is the only post I need to have read out of the last couple hundred. Was there other good stuff? You would have loved the kasich sanders bro sesh That sounds good, watching those two was a reminder of how crazy people are for wanting Trump v Clinton instead.
Yeah it was a good look for the country, we needed some of that after these past few weeks.
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On May 17 2017 12:01 Jormundr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 11:55 lastpuritan wrote:On May 17 2017 11:43 Plansix wrote:
This is going to get burried, but Trump invited this clown to the White House. That video is some wild shit. As far as I can tell, those are the Trukish presidents people attacking US Kurds. Pretty decent job. If you throw rocks or bottles to guards or beat pro Turkey people there, you'll get good amount of beating. Typical PKK/YPG approach that happens everywhere around the globe. Try that to any goons from any state. I remember many cases Obama goons beating the shit out of people, but yeah, you elected that clown too. For context, LP hates kurds about as much as hungarians hate gypsies and nazis hated jews.
Was trying to figure out where he came from and why. Lovely.
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On May 17 2017 13:25 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 13:08 Plansix wrote:
The press corps don't care if the briefing happens or not. You would think people would grasp that by now. They bitched moaned and complained at its mere suggestion. I read it in articles and heard it from the vast majority of journalists on twitter. They cared and showed they cared. For some people, showing up to ask questions and report on what happened is a huge part of their job.
They will be public with their disapproval. It will have zero impact on their reporting. It will have a huge impact on the White houses ability influence that reporting.
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On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen.
A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom.
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How it feels to be a Whitehouse staffer right now:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/trump-white-house-on-edge-238482
Staffers shuttled back and forth among West Wing offices debating what to say without divulging confidential material or getting anything wrong. A deflated and exhausted Sean Spicer, who continues to read reports that his job is in jeopardy but is working 12 hours every day in his office, huddled in his office with Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
There was a pervasive sense, another official said, that “we are kind of helpless.”
Two people familiar with White House discussions said Trump was determined to write a line in the letter firing Comey saying that the FBI director had given him three assurances he wasn’t under investigation. The words, said one White House adviser, “probably will cause him more heartbreak than anything else.” The line, this person said, had worried White House officials after it was printed – but few people saw the letter before it went out.
Internally, one senior administration official said, there was a realization he made the decision over the weekend in New Jersey, where “none of us were.”
Another person said White House aides learned about Trump’s comments criticizing Comey as a “showboat” as he said them on the air with Lester Holt of NBC – and showed up last Friday morning to the office to see his tweet about “tapes” of Comey’s meetings.
Aides were in meetings in the West Wing while the tweets reverberated, and then Trump walked into the Oval Office.
“They’re in a bad situation,” said one adviser who has known Trump for years. “If people wanted the Comey situation to go away, he did nothing to help that happen.”
Inside the White House Tuesday night, there was a decision to not put anyone on TV and to not put a statement out with someone’s name on it. Officials huddled to discuss the upcoming foreign trip, with specifics still not set, and concerns that the adventure will be overshadowed by news in Washington.
White House officials said there would be no more comments Tuesday evening.
“And we are hoping the president doesn’t tweet,” one said. “Fingers crossed.”
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On May 17 2017 17:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:How it feels to be a Whitehouse staffer right now: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/trump-white-house-on-edge-238482Show nested quote +Staffers shuttled back and forth among West Wing offices debating what to say without divulging confidential material or getting anything wrong. A deflated and exhausted Sean Spicer, who continues to read reports that his job is in jeopardy but is working 12 hours every day in his office, huddled in his office with Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
There was a pervasive sense, another official said, that “we are kind of helpless.” Show nested quote +Two people familiar with White House discussions said Trump was determined to write a line in the letter firing Comey saying that the FBI director had given him three assurances he wasn’t under investigation. The words, said one White House adviser, “probably will cause him more heartbreak than anything else.” The line, this person said, had worried White House officials after it was printed – but few people saw the letter before it went out.
Internally, one senior administration official said, there was a realization he made the decision over the weekend in New Jersey, where “none of us were.”
Another person said White House aides learned about Trump’s comments criticizing Comey as a “showboat” as he said them on the air with Lester Holt of NBC – and showed up last Friday morning to the office to see his tweet about “tapes” of Comey’s meetings.
Aides were in meetings in the West Wing while the tweets reverberated, and then Trump walked into the Oval Office.
“They’re in a bad situation,” said one adviser who has known Trump for years. “If people wanted the Comey situation to go away, he did nothing to help that happen.”
Inside the White House Tuesday night, there was a decision to not put anyone on TV and to not put a statement out with someone’s name on it. Officials huddled to discuss the upcoming foreign trip, with specifics still not set, and concerns that the adventure will be overshadowed by news in Washington.
White House officials said there would be no more comments Tuesday evening.
“And we are hoping the president doesn’t tweet,” one said. “Fingers crossed.”
Trump shoots from the hip way too often; perhaps that's all he does. But I guess this is just the type of administration you get when you elect a Populist that has no political experience. Any politician should realize that everything needs to be said very carefully and purposefully because the media and your political adversaries will try everything they can to take your comments out of context and twist them to fit their own narrative. If all you do is make comments on the fly it makes their jobs that much easier.
Maybe next election we should go for a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.
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On May 17 2017 17:00 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 13:05 Danglars wrote:On May 17 2017 12:48 Nevuk wrote:Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said on Tuesday that President Donald Trump should "close down the White House press briefing room.”
"I am personally offended by the American news media. I think it is destructive and disgusting. It is a danger to the country right now," Gingrich said. He also said the press should be banished to a nearby Starbucks and that Spicer should take questions from the American people. "Just say to the American people, you get to choose," Gingrich said.
Closing the press briefing room would send a message to the country "that the media is a corrupt institution and he is tired of being harassed by people whose only interest is making him look bad."
[...]
The former speaker, who said he was traveling in Ukraine, was infuriated by recent coverage of Trump's alleged disclosures to the Russian foreign minister of classified intelligence that was reportedly obtained from Israel and the firing of the FBI director. Gingrich said that the president has a right "to declassify anything he wants to," and that presidents for centuries have disclosed sensitive information in chats with foreign officials. He also said that reporters shouldn't print information they couldn't attach a name to.
"You guys are nuts," he said.
Gingrich said 10 percent of Trump's problems are from his White House's mistakes — and 90 percent come from the American news media, who he said wakes up every morning trying to damage Trump's presidency. "I don't care what he does with his staff," Gingrich said.
The former speaker said he had been watching CNN in Kiev and feared the coverage would sink in to foreign countries and the image projected by the American news media is "totally misleading and totally false."
"There are people here who read this crap and thinks we should be afraid. You have a national defense team of Mattis, Kelly and Tillerson. This is the best team since Eisenhower," he said.
"These people around the world read you as though you're real," he said. "The damage the news media is doing to the United States is despicable."
Gingrich said he was walking home from dinner and had little else to say.
"Goodbye," he said, before the phone clicked.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/16/newt-gingrich-donald-trump-shut-down-press-room-238458 Gingrich is going to be Gingrich. However, there's an article to be made to do a two-week hiatus of briefings to prove the point. If only we could do that with free-fire tweeting too--my kingdom for an adviser that makes that happen. A government without a press room is a disgrace though. Do you think North Korea has a legit press room where independent journalists can ask critical questions of the government? In general, Trump's constant attacks on the media has certain fascist implications. Apparently he asked Comey to jail journalists, and he's looking into prosecuting Wikileaks which might serve as a precedent for attacks on press freedom.
You are misreading the situation. A lot is wrong with trump but the true fascists are to be found on the other side. The medias constant attacks and very polarized reporting is what has certain fascist implications,though in a very subtle way.
Trump is just a clown,basicly harmless. Even wallstreet seems to agree with this, at least for now. He might be a dictator if he could,but there is no way he can be in America so that doesn't worry me at all. The media on the other hand,but ok enough about them lol.
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On May 17 2017 17:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:How it feels to be a Whitehouse staffer right now: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/trump-white-house-on-edge-238482Show nested quote +Staffers shuttled back and forth among West Wing offices debating what to say without divulging confidential material or getting anything wrong. A deflated and exhausted Sean Spicer, who continues to read reports that his job is in jeopardy but is working 12 hours every day in his office, huddled in his office with Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
There was a pervasive sense, another official said, that “we are kind of helpless.” Show nested quote +Two people familiar with White House discussions said Trump was determined to write a line in the letter firing Comey saying that the FBI director had given him three assurances he wasn’t under investigation. The words, said one White House adviser, “probably will cause him more heartbreak than anything else.” The line, this person said, had worried White House officials after it was printed – but few people saw the letter before it went out.
Internally, one senior administration official said, there was a realization he made the decision over the weekend in New Jersey, where “none of us were.”
Another person said White House aides learned about Trump’s comments criticizing Comey as a “showboat” as he said them on the air with Lester Holt of NBC – and showed up last Friday morning to the office to see his tweet about “tapes” of Comey’s meetings.
Aides were in meetings in the West Wing while the tweets reverberated, and then Trump walked into the Oval Office.
“They’re in a bad situation,” said one adviser who has known Trump for years. “If people wanted the Comey situation to go away, he did nothing to help that happen.”
Inside the White House Tuesday night, there was a decision to not put anyone on TV and to not put a statement out with someone’s name on it. Officials huddled to discuss the upcoming foreign trip, with specifics still not set, and concerns that the adventure will be overshadowed by news in Washington.
White House officials said there would be no more comments Tuesday evening.
“And we are hoping the president doesn’t tweet,” one said. “Fingers crossed.”
I gotta admit, I feel sorry for Sean Spicer. Dude has probably put in as many hours as anybody in the WH, and is just the frontman for dealing with unexpected crisis after crisis.
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On May 17 2017 18:39 Amui wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 17:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:How it feels to be a Whitehouse staffer right now: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/trump-white-house-on-edge-238482Staffers shuttled back and forth among West Wing offices debating what to say without divulging confidential material or getting anything wrong. A deflated and exhausted Sean Spicer, who continues to read reports that his job is in jeopardy but is working 12 hours every day in his office, huddled in his office with Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
There was a pervasive sense, another official said, that “we are kind of helpless.” Two people familiar with White House discussions said Trump was determined to write a line in the letter firing Comey saying that the FBI director had given him three assurances he wasn’t under investigation. The words, said one White House adviser, “probably will cause him more heartbreak than anything else.” The line, this person said, had worried White House officials after it was printed – but few people saw the letter before it went out.
Internally, one senior administration official said, there was a realization he made the decision over the weekend in New Jersey, where “none of us were.”
Another person said White House aides learned about Trump’s comments criticizing Comey as a “showboat” as he said them on the air with Lester Holt of NBC – and showed up last Friday morning to the office to see his tweet about “tapes” of Comey’s meetings.
Aides were in meetings in the West Wing while the tweets reverberated, and then Trump walked into the Oval Office.
“They’re in a bad situation,” said one adviser who has known Trump for years. “If people wanted the Comey situation to go away, he did nothing to help that happen.”
Inside the White House Tuesday night, there was a decision to not put anyone on TV and to not put a statement out with someone’s name on it. Officials huddled to discuss the upcoming foreign trip, with specifics still not set, and concerns that the adventure will be overshadowed by news in Washington.
White House officials said there would be no more comments Tuesday evening.
“And we are hoping the president doesn’t tweet,” one said. “Fingers crossed.” I gotta admit, I feel sorry for Sean Spicer. Dude has probably put in as many hours as anybody in the WH, and is just the frontman for dealing with unexpected crisis after crisis.
He knew what he was getting into and he's had plenty of chances to say "I cant do this" and walk away.
I don't feel sorry for people who knowingly stick by their fate.
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On May 17 2017 18:26 HalcyonRain wrote:Show nested quote +On May 17 2017 17:45 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:How it feels to be a Whitehouse staffer right now: http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/17/trump-white-house-on-edge-238482Staffers shuttled back and forth among West Wing offices debating what to say without divulging confidential material or getting anything wrong. A deflated and exhausted Sean Spicer, who continues to read reports that his job is in jeopardy but is working 12 hours every day in his office, huddled in his office with Chief of Staff Reince Priebus.
There was a pervasive sense, another official said, that “we are kind of helpless.” Two people familiar with White House discussions said Trump was determined to write a line in the letter firing Comey saying that the FBI director had given him three assurances he wasn’t under investigation. The words, said one White House adviser, “probably will cause him more heartbreak than anything else.” The line, this person said, had worried White House officials after it was printed – but few people saw the letter before it went out.
Internally, one senior administration official said, there was a realization he made the decision over the weekend in New Jersey, where “none of us were.”
Another person said White House aides learned about Trump’s comments criticizing Comey as a “showboat” as he said them on the air with Lester Holt of NBC – and showed up last Friday morning to the office to see his tweet about “tapes” of Comey’s meetings.
Aides were in meetings in the West Wing while the tweets reverberated, and then Trump walked into the Oval Office.
“They’re in a bad situation,” said one adviser who has known Trump for years. “If people wanted the Comey situation to go away, he did nothing to help that happen.”
Inside the White House Tuesday night, there was a decision to not put anyone on TV and to not put a statement out with someone’s name on it. Officials huddled to discuss the upcoming foreign trip, with specifics still not set, and concerns that the adventure will be overshadowed by news in Washington.
White House officials said there would be no more comments Tuesday evening.
“And we are hoping the president doesn’t tweet,” one said. “Fingers crossed.” Trump shoots from the hip way too often; perhaps that's all he does. But I guess this is just the type of administration you get when you elect a Populist that has no political experience. Any politician should realize that everything needs to be said very carefully and purposefully because the media and your political adversaries will try everything they can to take your comments out of context and twist them to fit their own narrative. If all you do is make comments on the fly it makes their jobs that much easier. Maybe next election we should go for a Republican, Democrat, or Independent.
There's no need to twist anything out of context. It's plenty bad enough within the very context Trump does all his ignorant stupid shit.
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