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On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:
As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools.
Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation.
Her confirmation hearing was incredibly embarrassing.
Also, you left out that her brother is Erik Prince who is implicated in the whole Trump/Russia scandal.
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On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation.
Well, you missed describing how awful the multi level marketing is that brought her family their fortune, but that's pretty much the picture. There's a reason she was the Cabinet candidate the democrats really focused on as being massively unfit.
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On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. I'm happy to be told to do more research, especially if this is the shit I found.
In fairness she's also successfully ended all bear attacks in schools around the country. Ever since she mandated that students be allowed to bring their guns to school to defend their classmates against bears there has not been a single bear attack. Fact.
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On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. I'm happy to be told to do more research, especially if this is the shit I found.
Welcome to Trump's administration.
Take a look around. Ben Carson, the idiot savant neurosurgeon who thinks the Pyramids were grain silo's? (probably played to much Civilization) He's in charge of housing and Urban development. How do you think that is going to work out?
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On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. I'm happy to be told to do more research, especially if this is the shit I found.
Pretty much. She is the modern version of a “fiscal conservative”, who wants to set up a system where the rich get to pick everything and don’t need to interact with the poor. You can take Kwarks comments about the IRS and put it right next to charter schools. People like Devos tell the Middle Class that they deserve more options and the government is the enemy. That they shouldn’t fully fund IRS because they do a bad job and taxes are the devil.
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On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question.
I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing).
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On May 11 2017 05:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:
As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools.
Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. Her confirmation hearing was incredibly embarrassing. Also, you left out that her brother is Erik Prince who is implicated in the whole Trump/Russia scandal.
This shit just gets better, doesn't it...
Talking of saving face, I could hardly imagine defending this administration, only to have more and more scandalous stories popping up by the day. I've always held dear my status as a nonpartisan citizen, so I can only imagine what it's like to be an unflinching Republican at this point. There's some waking up to do for some folks.
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On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election.
And likewise I would think Comey would only start an investigation into Trump's team if he was sure he could complete it. Sometimes hypotheticals aren't so hypothetical. You didn't answer the question.
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On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing).
No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing.
Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed).
edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election.
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On May 11 2017 05:51 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:45 TheLordofAwesome wrote:On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:
As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools.
Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. Her confirmation hearing was incredibly embarrassing. Also, you left out that her brother is Erik Prince who is implicated in the whole Trump/Russia scandal. This shit just gets better, doesn't it... Talking of saving face, I could hardly imagine defending this administration, only to have more and more scandalous stories popping up by the day. I've always held dear my status as a nonpartisan citizen, so I can only imagine what it's like to be an unflinching Republican at this point. There's some waking up to do for some folks.
A lot of real Republicans have had their party hijacked essentially. And if the Dems move towards Bernie there won't be anywhere for the fiscally moderate socially moderate people to go.
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On May 11 2017 05:46 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/862396706243137538 As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. Well, you missed describing how awful the multi level marketing is that brought her family their fortune, but that's pretty much the picture. There's a reason she was the Cabinet candidate the democrats really focused on as being massively unfit.
I'm not sure if this is the connection you're describing, but the weird Russian server that was either spamming or talking with Trump Tower was also spamming/talking with her husband's insurance company. It just gets more absurd.
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On May 11 2017 05:55 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing). No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing. Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed). edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election.
That isn’t just the Times. Everyone from the NPR to the WSJ is saying the same thing: The Russian probe was ramping up and Trump didn’t feel Comey was loyal enough.
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On May 11 2017 05:55 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. And likewise I would think Comey would only start an investigation into Trump's team if he was sure he could complete it. Sometimes hypotheticals aren't so hypothetical. You didn't answer the question.
You didn't quote my answer.
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On May 11 2017 05:57 TheTenthDoc wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:46 Nevuk wrote:On May 11 2017 05:43 NewSunshine wrote:https://twitter.com/ABCPolitics/status/862396706243137538 As far as my cursory research tells me, DeVos's family hasn't had to work for its money, her being married to the heir of a metric shitload of money, having raised children who never wanted for a penny, and ultimately bought her way into her current position, despite being woefully unqualified. All while simultaneously being against public education, throwing a lot of money at various people to do away with public schools. Is that about the size of it? Please tell me I'm missing something important, and that the lady I just described is somehow not in charge of bringing up America's next generation. Well, you missed describing how awful the multi level marketing is that brought her family their fortune, but that's pretty much the picture. There's a reason she was the Cabinet candidate the democrats really focused on as being massively unfit. I'm not sure if this is the connection you're describing, but the weird Russian server that was either spamming or talking with Trump Tower was also spamming/talking with her husband's insurance company. It just gets more absurd.
Oh yeah I forgot about that. There's so much smoke I can't keep track of it all.
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On May 11 2017 05:59 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:55 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing). No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing. Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed). edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election. That isn’t just the Times. Everyone from the NPR to the WSJ is saying the same thing: The Russian probe was ramping up and Trump didn’t feel Comey was loyal enough.
Yet if you ask someone like Danglars it had nothing to do with this investigation. But the fact is every source I'm seeing says Trump didn't like Comey's lack of personal loyalty, got frustrated with how much of a thing this Russia narrative has become, and fired Comey now that things are reaching a head.
Earlier I'd made the case that, innocent or no, the timing for Comey's firing is absolutely abysmal, and that there was no way it had nothing to do with the current investigation, which has in fact been picking up steam. Trump's not smart enough to intend his firing as a cover-up, but that's the result. And people aren't about to let that go.
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On May 11 2017 05:55 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing). No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing. Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed). edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election.
Ok so there's that testimony.
"Tell me what you would do in this hypothetical situation. You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question."
"No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it."
Thanks for the quick reminder why these hypotheticals are always bullshit. The answer you don't expect means you don't trust It. The answer you expect means you trust it. I really thought better of you biologymajor. I really did.
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On May 11 2017 06:09 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 05:55 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing). No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing. Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed). edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election. Ok so there's that testimony. "Tell me what you would do in this hypothetical situation. You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question." "No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it." Thanks for the quick reminder why these hypotheticals are always bullshit. The answer you don't expect means you don't trust It. The answer you expect means you trust it. I really thought better of you biologymajor. I really did.
If Clinton or her campaign was under FBI investigation, it was reported Comey requested more resources for the investigation days prior, and Clinton fired Comey, Danglars would be okay with it. Nope.
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On May 11 2017 06:14 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2017 06:09 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:55 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:51 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:40 biology]major wrote:On May 11 2017 05:38 Danglars wrote:On May 11 2017 05:27 biology]major wrote:
Really, what would the reaction of republicans be if HRC won, and terminated comey while we knew she was under investigation for her email server? I don't care if she fired him day 1 or now, that would have caused an uproar so large, it would actually be a constitutional crisis. Uhh that investigation concluded before the election. When I said I'd concluded, I actually am reopening it - Comey, October 28th The new trove of emails didn't turn up anything new, guys - Comey, November 6th Election, November 8th it was a hypothetical, imagine if it didn't conclude. What would your reaction be? Similar to how you feel now? You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question. I can't imagine Comey would've opened that can of worms if he didn't think he could wrap it up before the election. I imagine there would be furor from the Republicans, it would pass, and it wouldn't be a constitutional crisis. If you've got somebody other than a partisan hack draft the explanation and it laid out as good of a case as Mr. Rosenstein's, I wouldn't have a problem (with that specific firing). No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it. Even if the ag was jesus and wrote a masterful explanation for the firing. Particularly with reports of the new york times saying comey asked for extra resources for the russia investigation (so imagine him asking for more resources for the clinton investigation, and then shortly thereafter being removed). edit: comey testified last week and explained that he reopened the investigation without knowing if it would conclude or not. He was told by agents it MIGHT be possible if they worked day and night until the election. Ok so there's that testimony. "Tell me what you would do in this hypothetical situation. You can examine just how partisan you are by answering this question." "No fucking way, if hillary clinton fired comey without the conclusion of her email investigation, every right leaning poster in this thread would have fucking lost it." Thanks for the quick reminder why these hypotheticals are always bullshit. The answer you don't expect means you don't trust It. The answer you expect means you trust it. I really thought better of you biologymajor. I really did. If Clinton or her campaign was under FBI investigation, it was reported Comey requested more resources for the investigation days prior, and Clinton fired Comey, Danglars would be okay with it. Nope.
You're going for rule #2 about why you don't respond to hypotheticals. There's always more hypotheticals. As far as I'm aware, unnamed sources said this was the case, and the Justice Department has denied it.
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