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hunts
United States2113 Posts
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Howie_Dewitt
United States1416 Posts
On May 05 2017 03:32 ticklishmusic wrote: republicans getting on party busses to go celebrate this is gonna be good fodder for ads. Not if their voters can magically move to states with insurance and no anti-GOP ads lol | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
I hope they have a press conference in the Rose Garden like Trump said they would. Build this up as a win as much as you can so it's more hilarious when it fails to go anywhere. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
if this is anything to go by, the senate is saying hell no to the hot potato | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On May 05 2017 03:46 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote: so the big winner here is Osoff right? More like the political apparatus around him. Means millions more coming into consultants and such. More money going through them than they've ever seen and probably ever will again. EDIT: My god Republicans are so damn white. Like you think you would have more diversity by pure happenstance. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
"How can they try to vote on a bill that none of them have even read all of yet?" "Passing an essential change to such a critical system as healthcare by budget reconciliation is unprecedented and wrong." "The other side didn't even try to make a bipartisan bill." | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On May 05 2017 04:12 ChristianS wrote: Is there someone out there keeping a tally of hypocrisies on the Republicans' part compared to the ACA? Off the top of my head: "How can they try to vote on a bill that none of them have even read all of yet?" "Passing an essential change to such a critical system as healthcare by budget reconciliation is unprecedented and wrong." "The other side didn't even try to make a bipartisan bill." There is absolutely no way to pretend this isn't rank hypocrisy on a scale that's impressive even for US politics. It's a purely theatrical play with them taking a bow. It's just missing the mission accomplished banner in the background. Shame would be one of few appropriate reactions to the state of US politics and especially the Republican party. This is absolutely pathetic and their supporters should feel a good helping of that shame. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On May 05 2017 04:26 ChristianS wrote: I doubt they feel shame though. Not to put words in his mouth, but I bet Danglars feels like this is the start of Republicans making good on their promises and giving a reason again for people to vote R in 2018. Right up to the point where they lose their coverage or see premium go up by 40%. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 05 2017 04:26 ChristianS wrote: I doubt they feel shame though. Not to put words in his mouth, but I bet Danglars feels like this is the start of Republicans making good on their promises and giving a reason again for people to vote R in 2018. I'm seeing almost universal contempt for this 'bill' so far, to my understanding it's a far more transparent move to screw the middle class than anything the ACA did. If this is Republicans "making good on their promises", then I see that as nothing less than a reason to sweep them out of office wholesale in 2018. When you legislate only for yourself and not your constituents, this is what happens. I expect it to die in the Senate, but trying to push it in the first place does not in any way enamor me with this administration. I'm the last one to vote on strict party lines, since I think that's generally a very stupid thing to do, but if this is what happens when Republicans get their way, then I'd be happy to do a straight ticket just to get them out. | ||
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
On May 05 2017 04:34 NewSunshine wrote: I'm seeing almost universal contempt for this 'bill' so far, to my understanding it's a far more transparent move to screw the middle class than anything the ACA did. If this is Republicans "making good on their promises", then I see that as nothing less than a reason to sweep them out of office wholesale in 2018. When you legislate only for yourself and not your constituents, this is what happens. I expect it to die in the Senate, but trying to push it in the first place does not in any way enamor me with this administration. Looks like more of a move to lower premiums for people who are completely healthy with no pre-existing conditions while fucking everyone else over. Well not directly fucking them over, but letting the fuster cluck of a system we currently have fuck everyone else over. The whole thing is just your standard political theater bullshit anyway. The bill, in its current form, will not pass the senate. Maybe whatever comes out of the senate will be more level headed and useful. | ||
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
On May 05 2017 05:07 HalcyonRain wrote: Looks like more of a move to lower premiums for people who are completely healthy with no pre-existing conditions while fucking everyone else over. Well not directly fucking them over, but letting the fuster cluck of a system we currently have fuck everyone else over. The whole thing is just your standard political theater bullshit anyway. The bill, in its current form, will not pass the senate. Maybe whatever comes out of the senate will be more level headed and useful. Our healthcare system in general is pretty ass-backwards, because it's rooted in a capitalistic insurance model, when a person's health is in no way comparable to other things you might insure, like a house fire or a car accident. A taxation-based system(single-payer is the go-to example) is what we ought to have, because a person's health is not optional, it's something you have to have or the smallest incident becomes a possible death sentence. The sheer necessity of healthcare means it's something a capitalist system can charge you through the nose for, because they know you have to pay. It's seriously the worst way to frame such a commodity. Healthcare should be in the class of infrastructure and public education, it should be something our tax dollars secure for everybody, not a privilege that must be bought. Massively ballooning costs for medication and medical procedures are a life-ending problem as it is. | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States766 Posts
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NewSunshine
United States5938 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On May 05 2017 05:33 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: Can someone explain like im five? I see comments saying it passed and some saying it didnt. are they still voting on it? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/04/us/politics/house-vote-republican-health-care-bill.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=b-lede-package-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 217 yes 213 no | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
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HalcyonRain
United States124 Posts
On May 05 2017 05:29 NewSunshine wrote: Our healthcare system in general is pretty ass-backwards, because it's rooted in a capitalistic insurance model, when a person's health is in no way comparable to other things you might insure, like a house fire or a car accident. A taxation-based system(single-payer is the go-to example) is what we ought to have, because a person's health is not optional, it's something you have to have or the smallest incident becomes a possible death sentence. The sheer necessity of healthcare means it's something a capitalist system can charge you through the nose for, because they know you have to pay. It's seriously the worst way to frame such a commodity. Healthcare should be in the class of infrastructure and public education, it should be something our tax dollars secure for everybody, not a privilege that must be bought. Massively ballooning costs for medication and medical procedures are a life-ending problem as it is. I would like to think that anyone that has studied, or at least taken a look at, our current healthcare system would come to the same conclusions you posted. Free market theory doesn't really work when the barriers to entry are high and the necessity of the product is also high. A single payer system seems like the best thing to do, but the question is how do you get there from here, and what are the consequences of moving to single payer. | ||
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