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HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
May 05 2017 01:50 GMT
#149001
On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:


Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.


So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 05 2017 01:58 GMT
#149002
On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/leonardkl/status/860214264677773315

Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.


So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?

The house and senate are two separate chambers and don't have to agree with each other. The bill is a dumpster fire, so the senate won't act on it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
May 05 2017 02:36 GMT
#149003
If this pack of goons tried to get any more incompetent, it would be tough.

Corey Lewandowski, President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, is leaving Avenue Strategies amid a spate of negative publicity, saying he is concerned that he’s lost control over the lobbying and political consulting firm he co-founded after the 2016 election.

Lewandowski said Thursday that his partner, Barry Bennett, and others among the firm’s eight operatives have used his name without his authorization and sought business with foreign clients that he doesn’t want.


www.bloomberg.com
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 05 2017 02:50 GMT
#149004
On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/leonardkl/status/860214264677773315

Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.


So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?

Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result.

House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11544 Posts
May 05 2017 08:41 GMT
#149005
On May 05 2017 11:50 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/leonardkl/status/860214264677773315

Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.


So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?

Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result.

House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy.


Does stuff go back to the house after the senate passed it, and do they once again change it? Or does something become law after both the house and the senate passed it, even if the senate completely rewrote what the house passed?
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 05 2017 11:16 GMT
#149006
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Sadist
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States7244 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 11:47:06
May 05 2017 11:43 GMT
#149007
These people truly are the scum of the earth. Not one fuck was given by these people. They should be ashamed of themselves.
How do you go from where you are to where you want to be? I think you have to have an enthusiasm for life. You have to have a dream, a goal and you have to be willing to work for it. Jim Valvano
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 05 2017 11:51 GMT
#149008
It's called Tribalism and it's rampant in this country, left and right.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ShoCkeyy
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
7815 Posts
May 05 2017 12:26 GMT
#149009
In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.
Life?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21740 Posts
May 05 2017 12:31 GMT
#149010
On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.

It becomes utterly unworkable.

Some form of abstraction is required to have a functional government. 500 people is already a lot to get to agree on anything.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23270 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 13:20:35
May 05 2017 13:19 GMT
#149011
If you wrote a book about Trump's presidency years ago it would have been a flop, because no one would have believed it.



Even Trump agrees that Universal Healthcare is better than the ACA and the AHCA
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
May 05 2017 13:22 GMT
#149012
On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.

They don’t. They represent this nation on a national scale. We are also represented by state and local governments. The federal government’s power is limited.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
May 05 2017 13:38 GMT
#149013
On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.

You do. We're a collection of states, and below that counties, and below that cities, sometimes below cities you have community subdivisions. Federalism also has to do with the inability of representatives sent far away to a country's capital to serve the needs of their respective states and cities.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 13:50:15
May 05 2017 13:46 GMT
#149014
On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote:
In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.


Why is it so absurd? There aren't that many different combinations of opinions on political subjects, plus in a two party system this isn't that relevant in the first place.

Maybe in smaller states it's difficult to find a candidate that covers your specific political tastes, I don't know.
Bora Pain minha porra!
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
May 05 2017 13:46 GMT
#149015
On May 05 2017 22:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
If you wrote a book about Trump's presidency years ago it would have been a flop, because no one would have believed it.

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289

Even Trump agrees that Universal Healthcare is better than the ACA and the AHCA


Maybe that was some of his genuine beliefs slipping out. He also officially endorsed Canadian-style UHC 15 years ago after all.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 05 2017 13:50 GMT
#149016
On May 05 2017 17:41 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2017 11:50 Danglars wrote:
On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:
https://twitter.com/leonardkl/status/860214264677773315

Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.


So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?

Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result.

House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy.


Does stuff go back to the house after the senate passed it, and do they once again change it? Or does something become law after both the house and the senate passed it, even if the senate completely rewrote what the house passed?

They form a committee that attempts to resolve the differences in their bill, after which they re-vote on the entire thing. The bill either passes or fails at that point.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44456 Posts
May 05 2017 15:38 GMT
#149017
Can we just fast forward to one month from now when Republicans cut the bullshit and just straight up propose a healthcare plan where being non-white or non-male or non-Christian or non-rich are preexisting conditions?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
May 05 2017 15:42 GMT
#149018
On May 06 2017 00:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Can we just fast forward to one month from now when Republicans cut the bullshit and just straight up propose a healthcare plan where being non-white or non-male or non-Christian or non-rich are preexisting conditions?

That's precisely the kind of hyperbole that does nothing to properly address the problem at hand.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10751 Posts
May 05 2017 15:45 GMT
#149019
And therefore atm sounds very possible
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42873 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-05-05 15:53:40
May 05 2017 15:50 GMT
#149020
In fairness given the choice it's not unreasonable for insurers to want to discriminate against those conditions. No more than banks who want to charge higher interest rates to minorities with higher default rates on loans. Those problems simply come packaged with using the free market to resolve these kind of issues. I would absolutely be amazed if the actuarial health insurance tables for whites and blacks in America were identical. A pre-existing condition is simply something the insurance company already know about you which is priced in to your contract and rates with them. In a completely free insurance market being a truck driver, as opposed to being an office worker, would be a pre-existing condition. The reality is that letting the numbers speak for themselves can often be pretty fucking discriminatory.
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