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On May 05 2017 05:56 Plansix wrote:
Blahahahahahahahahaha. After all that the senate drops the bill like a wet turd.
So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening?
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On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening? The house and senate are two separate chambers and don't have to agree with each other. The bill is a dumpster fire, so the senate won't act on it.
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If this pack of goons tried to get any more incompetent, it would be tough.
Corey Lewandowski, President Donald Trump’s former campaign manager, is leaving Avenue Strategies amid a spate of negative publicity, saying he is concerned that he’s lost control over the lobbying and political consulting firm he co-founded after the 2016 election.
Lewandowski said Thursday that his partner, Barry Bennett, and others among the firm’s eight operatives have used his name without his authorization and sought business with foreign clients that he doesn’t want.
www.bloomberg.com
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On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening? Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result.
House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy.
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On May 05 2017 11:50 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening? Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result. House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy.
Does stuff go back to the house after the senate passed it, and do they once again change it? Or does something become law after both the house and the senate passed it, even if the senate completely rewrote what the house passed?
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These people truly are the scum of the earth. Not one fuck was given by these people. They should be ashamed of themselves.
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It's called Tribalism and it's rampant in this country, left and right.
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In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.
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On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens. It becomes utterly unworkable.
Some form of abstraction is required to have a functional government. 500 people is already a lot to get to agree on anything.
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If you wrote a book about Trump's presidency years ago it would have been a flop, because no one would have believed it.
Even Trump agrees that Universal Healthcare is better than the ACA and the AHCA
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On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens. They don’t. They represent this nation on a national scale. We are also represented by state and local governments. The federal government’s power is limited.
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On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens. You do. We're a collection of states, and below that counties, and below that cities, sometimes below cities you have community subdivisions. Federalism also has to do with the inability of representatives sent far away to a country's capital to serve the needs of their respective states and cities.
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On May 05 2017 21:26 ShoCkeyy wrote: In all honesty, to have 535 people represent this whole country seems absurd to me. We should at least triple that number and see what really happens.
Why is it so absurd? There aren't that many different combinations of opinions on political subjects, plus in a two party system this isn't that relevant in the first place.
Maybe in smaller states it's difficult to find a candidate that covers your specific political tastes, I don't know.
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On May 05 2017 22:19 GreenHorizons wrote:If you wrote a book about Trump's presidency years ago it would have been a flop, because no one would have believed it. https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/860288727276556289Even Trump agrees that Universal Healthcare is better than the ACA and the AHCA
Maybe that was some of his genuine beliefs slipping out. He also officially endorsed Canadian-style UHC 15 years ago after all.
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On May 05 2017 17:41 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2017 11:50 Danglars wrote:On May 05 2017 10:50 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:So they agreed this is what they want to replace Obamacare, but the Senate will just block it anyway? Is that whats happening? Senate does its own thing, like almost always with big legislation, taking something of the structure of the original bill and changing almost everything else. Then we hit conference on the differences and vote the result. House bill just spurs the Senate into action. It made 52 Senators pretty unhappy. Does stuff go back to the house after the senate passed it, and do they once again change it? Or does something become law after both the house and the senate passed it, even if the senate completely rewrote what the house passed? They form a committee that attempts to resolve the differences in their bill, after which they re-vote on the entire thing. The bill either passes or fails at that point.
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Can we just fast forward to one month from now when Republicans cut the bullshit and just straight up propose a healthcare plan where being non-white or non-male or non-Christian or non-rich are preexisting conditions?
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On May 06 2017 00:38 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Can we just fast forward to one month from now when Republicans cut the bullshit and just straight up propose a healthcare plan where being non-white or non-male or non-Christian or non-rich are preexisting conditions? That's precisely the kind of hyperbole that does nothing to properly address the problem at hand.
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And therefore atm sounds very possible
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In fairness given the choice it's not unreasonable for insurers to want to discriminate against those conditions. No more than banks who want to charge higher interest rates to minorities with higher default rates on loans. Those problems simply come packaged with using the free market to resolve these kind of issues. I would absolutely be amazed if the actuarial health insurance tables for whites and blacks in America were identical. A pre-existing condition is simply something the insurance company already know about you which is priced in to your contract and rates with them. In a completely free insurance market being a truck driver, as opposed to being an office worker, would be a pre-existing condition. The reality is that letting the numbers speak for themselves can often be pretty fucking discriminatory.
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