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On April 18 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:17 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. He can also lie and believe all the bullshit he says, which is more to the point. Alex Jones is willing to say anything, so why not just tell the court it is all an act? The point of family court is not inquiring to how sincerely he holds political opinions or espouses them on his show. On April 18 2017 02:09 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. don't think anyone's arguing that. But if Trump was basing information and getting his news from the Jerry springer show that would be a problem. Also Jerry Springer admits his shows stupid and it's not a news show. Unfortunately their are actual people who think that Alex Jones is a reputable news source. StealthBlue's two posts is proof contrary. What is the relevance, like LL asked? Alex Jones once said that Obama was a goblin from the underworld. Like a “real one”, brimstone and all. And that is pretty time. This isn’t about his political views. Its about determining if Alex Jones has an unhinged grasp on reality and if that might be harmful to a child. You know this, but you have chosen to make the bad faith argument that it is about his political view points.
Any religious view is an unhinged grasp on reality, and yet parents are allowed to not only believe that, they can impose those views on their children. Why is him professing a belief that Obama is a goblin from the underworld reason to withhold his children from him? It's retarded, but it's no different than saying "Jesus is watching" or "A fat man in a red suit knows what you're doing and is judging you".
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Do we have anyone here who believes or has ever believed something Alex Jones has "reported" on?
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On April 18 2017 02:30 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:17 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. He can also lie and believe all the bullshit he says, which is more to the point. Alex Jones is willing to say anything, so why not just tell the court it is all an act? The point of family court is not inquiring to how sincerely he holds political opinions or espouses them on his show. On April 18 2017 02:09 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. don't think anyone's arguing that. But if Trump was basing information and getting his news from the Jerry springer show that would be a problem. Also Jerry Springer admits his shows stupid and it's not a news show. Unfortunately their are actual people who think that Alex Jones is a reputable news source. StealthBlue's two posts is proof contrary. What is the relevance, like LL asked? Alex Jones once said that Obama was a goblin from the underworld. Like a “real one”, brimstone and all. And that is pretty time. This isn’t about his political views. Its about determining if Alex Jones has an unhinged grasp on reality and if that might be harmful to a child. You know this, but you have chosen to make the bad faith argument that it is about his political view points. Any religious view is an unhinged grasp on reality, and yet parents are allowed to not only believe that, they can impose those views on their children. Why is him professing a belief that Obama is a goblin from the underworld reason to withhold his children from him? It's retarded, but it's no different than saying "Jesus is watching" or "A fat man in a red suit knows what you're doing and is judging you".
Don't get me started on threatening children with Hell. It's child abuse as far as I'm concerned.
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On April 18 2017 02:30 a_flayer wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:17 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. He can also lie and believe all the bullshit he says, which is more to the point. Alex Jones is willing to say anything, so why not just tell the court it is all an act? The point of family court is not inquiring to how sincerely he holds political opinions or espouses them on his show. On April 18 2017 02:09 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. don't think anyone's arguing that. But if Trump was basing information and getting his news from the Jerry springer show that would be a problem. Also Jerry Springer admits his shows stupid and it's not a news show. Unfortunately their are actual people who think that Alex Jones is a reputable news source. StealthBlue's two posts is proof contrary. What is the relevance, like LL asked? Alex Jones once said that Obama was a goblin from the underworld. Like a “real one”, brimstone and all. And that is pretty time. This isn’t about his political views. Its about determining if Alex Jones has an unhinged grasp on reality and if that might be harmful to a child. You know this, but you have chosen to make the bad faith argument that it is about his political view points. Any religious view is an unhinged grasp on reality, and yet parents are allowed to not only believe that, they can impose those views on their children. Why is him professing a belief that Obama is a goblin from the underworld reason to withhold his children from him? It's retarded, but it's no different than saying "Jesus is watching" or "A fat man in a red suit knows what you're doing and is judging you".
If someone believed “Jesus lives in my house and tells me that the president works for the Devil. The first lady is a demon and the entire Fed is run by a cult of devil worshipers,” that would all be fair game in family court. The same with threatening children with going to hell, which comes up too.
There is a huge difference between being religious and believe angles told you to push bad people in front of cars to punish them.
I am not really sure why this needs to be explained to people. Have people never seen Alex Jones? Do they really think that Alex Jones = average person that attends Sunday service and prays every night?
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On April 18 2017 02:36 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:30 a_flayer wrote:On April 18 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:17 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. He can also lie and believe all the bullshit he says, which is more to the point. Alex Jones is willing to say anything, so why not just tell the court it is all an act? The point of family court is not inquiring to how sincerely he holds political opinions or espouses them on his show. On April 18 2017 02:09 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. don't think anyone's arguing that. But if Trump was basing information and getting his news from the Jerry springer show that would be a problem. Also Jerry Springer admits his shows stupid and it's not a news show. Unfortunately their are actual people who think that Alex Jones is a reputable news source. StealthBlue's two posts is proof contrary. What is the relevance, like LL asked? Alex Jones once said that Obama was a goblin from the underworld. Like a “real one”, brimstone and all. And that is pretty time. This isn’t about his political views. Its about determining if Alex Jones has an unhinged grasp on reality and if that might be harmful to a child. You know this, but you have chosen to make the bad faith argument that it is about his political view points. Any religious view is an unhinged grasp on reality, and yet parents are allowed to not only believe that, they can impose those views on their children. Why is him professing a belief that Obama is a goblin from the underworld reason to withhold his children from him? It's retarded, but it's no different than saying "Jesus is watching" or "A fat man in a red suit knows what you're doing and is judging you". If someone believed “Jesus lives in my house and tells me that the president works for the Devil. The first lady is a demon and the entire Fed is run by a cult of devil worshipers,” that would all be fair game in family court. The same with threatening children with going to hell, which comes up too. There is a huge difference between being religious and believe angles told you to push bad people in front of cars to punish them. I am not really sure why this needs to be explained to people. Have people never seen Alex Jones? Do they really think that Alex Jones = average person that attends Sunday service and prays every night?
"avg person that attends Sunday Service and prays nightly" or Westboro baptist church, Think they both keep their kids.
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I really don't care whether or not Alex Jones is a good father. It honestly has no relevance to US Politics whatsoever. And Alex Jones' custody battle has zero relevance to Trump.
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Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though.
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On April 18 2017 02:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though.
Everyones on screen presence is a performance. Be it Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Steven Colbert or a random CNN reporter.
Whether or not he believes what he says is not relevant for US politics.
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The only thing average about Alex Jones is his salad intake.
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Just curious, our resident right leaners all acknowledge Trump is a rank hypocrite which you wouldn't remotely consider tolerating if it was coming from the other side politically right?
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Until Trump leaps to Alex Jones' defense by tweet (which is honestly not that implausible) it doesn't seem super relevant.
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On April 18 2017 02:33 Mohdoo wrote:
Do we have anyone here who believes or has ever believed something Alex Jones has "reported" on?
I recall a couple people (don't remember who) on this thread were using infowars as a source, and when pressed insisted that it was worth getting your news from him so long as you separated out the good from the bad. I remain skeptical that such an enterprise is valuable.
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On April 18 2017 02:41 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:36 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:30 a_flayer wrote:On April 18 2017 02:21 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:17 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:09 Plansix wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. He can also lie and believe all the bullshit he says, which is more to the point. Alex Jones is willing to say anything, so why not just tell the court it is all an act? The point of family court is not inquiring to how sincerely he holds political opinions or espouses them on his show. On April 18 2017 02:09 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:On April 18 2017 02:03 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 01:53 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Seeing how Trump parrots whatever the dipshit says. Trump could love Jerry Springer, but the way he conducts himself on the camera is not evaluating how suited he is as father. He could be wild, he could be caring, but the only story here is people that ally with Trump can't be treated normally. don't think anyone's arguing that. But if Trump was basing information and getting his news from the Jerry springer show that would be a problem. Also Jerry Springer admits his shows stupid and it's not a news show. Unfortunately their are actual people who think that Alex Jones is a reputable news source. StealthBlue's two posts is proof contrary. What is the relevance, like LL asked? Alex Jones once said that Obama was a goblin from the underworld. Like a “real one”, brimstone and all. And that is pretty time. This isn’t about his political views. Its about determining if Alex Jones has an unhinged grasp on reality and if that might be harmful to a child. You know this, but you have chosen to make the bad faith argument that it is about his political view points. Any religious view is an unhinged grasp on reality, and yet parents are allowed to not only believe that, they can impose those views on their children. Why is him professing a belief that Obama is a goblin from the underworld reason to withhold his children from him? It's retarded, but it's no different than saying "Jesus is watching" or "A fat man in a red suit knows what you're doing and is judging you". If someone believed “Jesus lives in my house and tells me that the president works for the Devil. The first lady is a demon and the entire Fed is run by a cult of devil worshipers,” that would all be fair game in family court. The same with threatening children with going to hell, which comes up too. There is a huge difference between being religious and believe angles told you to push bad people in front of cars to punish them. I am not really sure why this needs to be explained to people. Have people never seen Alex Jones? Do they really think that Alex Jones = average person that attends Sunday service and prays every night? "avg person that attends Sunday Service and prays nightly" or Westboro baptist church, Think they both keep their kids.
Yeah, but the hate base protests would be fair game in a custody battle.
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On April 18 2017 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though. Everyones on screen presence is a performance. Be it Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Steven Colbert or a random CNN reporter. Whether or not he believes what he says is not relevant for US politics.
He's a loon by what he says and does, not as suddenly exposed in a custody battle.
On April 18 2017 02:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just curious, our resident right leaners all acknowledge Trump is a rank hypocrite which you wouldn't remotely consider tolerating if it was coming from the other side politically right?
I'll go as far as serial liar. He's the president; I have no idea what tolerating means. You gotta remember, some conservatives consider disruption in a federal machine bent leftwards as a net positive, in which case if he was both Trump the man and a left-wing radical, he wouldn't have earned my vote.
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On April 18 2017 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though. Everyones on screen presence is a performance. Be it Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Steven Colbert or a random CNN reporter. Whether or not he believes what he says is not relevant for US politics.
I think this is admitting to some next level performance artistry, though.
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On April 18 2017 03:11 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:On April 18 2017 02:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though. Everyones on screen presence is a performance. Be it Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Steven Colbert or a random CNN reporter. Whether or not he believes what he says is not relevant for US politics. He's a loon by what he says and does, not as suddenly exposed in a custody battle. Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 02:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just curious, our resident right leaners all acknowledge Trump is a rank hypocrite which you wouldn't remotely consider tolerating if it was coming from the other side politically right? I'll go as far as serial liar. He's the president; I have no idea what tolerating means. You gotta remember, some conservatives consider disruption in a federal machine bent leftwards as a net positive, in which case if he was both Trump the man and a left-wing radical, he wouldn't have earned my vote.
As in you wouldn't consider such consistent hypocrisy an acceptable feature in a Democratic president, but consider it acceptable now. Meaning to say any calls of hypocrisy/dishonesty from the right aimed at the left are hollow and meaningless in general.
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On April 18 2017 03:25 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On April 18 2017 03:11 Danglars wrote:On April 18 2017 02:47 Gorsameth wrote:On April 18 2017 02:44 Doodsmack wrote:
Whether Alex Jones is a performance artist is relevant to US politics though. Everyones on screen presence is a performance. Be it Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Steven Colbert or a random CNN reporter. Whether or not he believes what he says is not relevant for US politics. He's a loon by what he says and does, not as suddenly exposed in a custody battle. On April 18 2017 02:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Just curious, our resident right leaners all acknowledge Trump is a rank hypocrite which you wouldn't remotely consider tolerating if it was coming from the other side politically right? I'll go as far as serial liar. He's the president; I have no idea what tolerating means. You gotta remember, some conservatives consider disruption in a federal machine bent leftwards as a net positive, in which case if he was both Trump the man and a left-wing radical, he wouldn't have earned my vote. As in you wouldn't consider such consistent hypocrisy an acceptable feature in a Democratic president, but consider it acceptable now. Meaning to say any calls of hypocrisy/dishonesty from the right aimed at the left are hollow and meaningless in general.
I picked the lesser of two evils in the last election, but do not make that my moral basis for evaluation. I didn't support Trump in the primaries for reasons along the same lines as you bring up. It doesn't keep me from acknowledging some incidental benefits when a rudderless craft happens to fire at enemies deserving of absolute scorn. You're all still a bunch of hypocrites, a majority of Republicans are as well, the president is more unguided/guided by whim than hypocritical but that's a minor point. We should honestly be able to agree in the most broad sense here.
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Is there any not shitty justification for Trump closing up the visitor book? This seems blatantly shitty.
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On April 18 2017 03:40 Mohdoo wrote:
Is there any not shitty justification for Trump closing up the visitor book? This seems blatantly shitty.
None that I am aware of. It is one of those things that they are not required to do. It isn’t hard for the press to figure out who is going to the White House, so not releasing the guest book is a kinda silly move. They the President’s schedule anyways.
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On April 18 2017 03:40 Mohdoo wrote:
Is there any not shitty justification for Trump closing up the visitor book? This seems blatantly shitty.
It will never be to his benefit and can be used against him.
The reasoning for it is pretty simple and logical.
Tobad a government should sometimes engage in 'net negatives' to improve transparency and with it confidence in that state.
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