EPTBut the President having unlimited funds for what amounts to personal expenditure, and that congress would have no accountability for denying security, seems like taking two wrongs and hoping it makes a right.
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
But the President having unlimited funds for what amounts to personal expenditure, and that congress would have no accountability for denying security, seems like taking two wrongs and hoping it makes a right. | ||
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Lmui
Canada6213 Posts
In the case of Trump's golf course, I hope the town council passes a resolution to pass all Trump related costs onto the property tax of the golf course. It's sounding like Trump's wrecking the town and the economy around it whenever he brings the circus in. | ||
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zlefin
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. The only thing that's gonna hurt your head is playing detective while watching the news | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. My assumption is this: Base line of thought: Russia worked with associates of Trump to help discredit Hillary and to improve Trump's chances of winning the Presidency. Subsequent line of thought 1: Trump reacts badly to the concept of being in Putin's pocket, and other associates under him who dislike Russia take the opportunity to have him (or he himself does this) lash out at Syria with the gassing as a pretext. Subsequent line of thought 2: Trump's team uses an missile strike on Syria's airbase to give an image of strength against Russia, while the strike itself is inconsequential and allows Russia to use strong words at Trump without breaking their friendship. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. first, sometimes it's different people saying those same things; so it's not the "media" at large. different media say different things. second, because when trying to figure something out with limited and hidden information the set of consistent theories can be rather wide. third, because sensationalist titles and headlines sell, so you often hear more about those than the more nuanced reasonable viewpoints and may overestimate their prominence as a result. fourth, because trump's stances and positions may have changed, from one that's irregularly pro-russia, to one that's recklessly heading toward conflict with russia. it's not like trump was ever known for not being reckless after all. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. I don't think anyone serious thinks that Trump is a paid agent. He's too much of an egomaniac to be at the beck and call of anyone. It's all his staffers that have shady connections that are being investigated, which has been overlooked through incompetence. And Trump's views are just easily shifted by whatever information has been filtered through to him at any given moment. | ||
KwarK
United States42655 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. The narrative only has to make as much sense as Trump does. If you assume Trump is an idiot and is very easily influenced by whoever is standing in front of him at any given time, or whatever he saw on Fox that afternoon, inconsistencies are very easily explained. | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:49 zlefin wrote: at a minimum, I'd like to require the federal government to fully reimburse state/local costs. To some degree yeah. Its one thing for the president to take working vacations every weekend but its unreasonable to the extreme to constantly use the same location and expect the local economy to function around it like its something new. If trump was taking weekend getaways to podunk out of the way small town resorts and taking over the complex for security it wouldn't be nearly as much of an issue. I think its nice that there are foreign representatives like china and japan in the past that I've at least seen as it makes a relaxed atmosphere for real negotiation and communication and the same can be done for isolated places. If its so much of an ask you can get the best people in the nation to build the presidential golf courses at camp David. And I won't refuse using language like its the dumbest thing said in the thread to openly invite channels for obvious corruption like trading security and vacations for political gain. Its obviously a dumb thing when read once and its worse to convince yourself of anything more the more you think about it. An equivalent would be trying to solve representatives attendance problem by requiring that they be there for every vote or there would be some sort of penalty. Yeah it would solve something that is nonsense and shouldn't be an issue but the solution would obviously be dumb and terrible only inviting hosts of new problems that makes everything worse. Its called having standards people. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Coagulation
United States9633 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On April 11 2017 05:52 Coagulation wrote: So uh maybe someone can help me figure something out here.. how can the media push allegations of trump being paid for and bought by russia and at the same time accuse him of trying to start a war with them? This makes my head hurt. Theories move fast out there, stay on your guard and don't get whiplash. It's some hybrid of being craven enough to solicit Russian help, and somewhere along the way his famous temperament got involved and went back on the cozy relationship. But that's only this week's theory. The only common thread to these thoughts is Trump is illegitimate in some way that hasn't quite been proven yet. Truth be told, it's an easier line to follow than smearing Trump voters making up half the country. You may recall all the stories about "Russia hacked the election" phraseology had a majority of Democrats believe the vote tallies themselves were changed (Economist/YouGov January). | ||
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LegalLord
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On April 11 2017 06:06 Coagulation wrote: Thanks for the clarifications. This thread is my #1 source for news these days because I cant even begin to figure out what is real news and what is just noise and this thread does a great job of filtering out the garbage. really? there's plenty of decent enough news sources; but whatever works for ya. the simplest explanation for the change is that one of trump's associates had improper ties with russia, and since they were removed from team trump, trump's attitude has changed (as he depends a lot on his closest advisors). the likeliest candidates for that are flynn and manafort imho, though there are of course some others. sermo -> what you did was wrong. it sounds like you're refusing to admit it was wrong, though with your wording it's hard ot tell. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On April 11 2017 06:12 LegalLord wrote: The anti-Trump strategy is saturation. If you throw enough stuff against him out there, some being valid, people will hate him - potentially enough to run Hillary Clinton against him in 2020. The problem is that doing so distracts from the ways that Trump actually is pretty bad and makes for an excellent counter-narrative of media witch hunt. The democrats have evolved, Tim Kaine dws 2020 | ||
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Sermokala
United States13925 Posts
On April 11 2017 06:12 zlefin wrote: really? there's plenty of decent enough news sources; but whatever works for ya. the simplest explanation for the change is that one of trump's associates had improper ties with russia, and since they were removed from team trump, trump's attitude has changed (as he depends a lot on his closest advisors). the likeliest candidates for that are flynn and manafort imho, though there are of course some others. sermo -> what you did was wrong. it sounds like you're refusing to admit it was wrong, though with your wording it's hard ot tell. What I did wasn't wrong I'm refusing to admit to something that isn't true. You'd be able to tell from my wording what was true if you weren't trying to fit it into your narrative like you are want to do most of the time. On April 11 2017 06:14 biology]major wrote: The democrats have evolved, Tim Kaine dws 2020 I had to actualy try to figure out who Tim kaine was for moment. I thought he was a tom there. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
Or he's starting the trade war and if there was anything he wanted to tell Kim Jong-Un, he'd better hurry up and get it said. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France7888 Posts
Couldn't find any serious media reporting the story, so I would wait before believing any of it. | ||
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Karis Vas Ryaar
United States4396 Posts
MONTGOMERY, Ala. — Gov. Robert Bentley was booked on two misdemeanor campaign and ethics charges that arose during the investigation of alleged affair with a top aide and was expected to resign Monday evening. The mild-mannered 74-year-old Republican and one-time Baptist deacon was at peace with the decision to step down, according to a former administration member who was not authorized to release the information and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity. The sex-tinged scandal gathered force over the past few days and the legislators turned up on the pressure by opening impeachment hearings Monday. Last week, the Alabama Ethics Commission cited evidence that Bentley broke state ethics and campaign laws and referred the matter to prosecutors. A booking log at the Montgomery County Sheriff's Office website showed Bentley was processed Monday afternoon and a mugshot released by the jail shows him smiling slightly, his head cocked slightly to the right. He's wearing a coat and tie. Bentley's resignation would follow the ouster of former House Speaker Mike Hubbard, who left office in 2016 after being convicted on ethics charges, and former state Supreme Court Chief Justice Roy Moore, who was suspended from his post last year over an order opposing same-sex marriage. Bentley, a staunch family-values conservative who won two terms partly because of his reputation for moral rectitude, was first engulfed in scandal last year after recordings surfaced of him making sexually charged comments to 45-year-old political adviser Rebekah Caldwell Mason. An investigative report prepared for the House Judiciary Committee and released last week said Bentley encouraged an "atmosphere of intimidation" to keep the story under wraps and directed law enforcement officers to track down and seize the recordings. The report portrayed the governor as paranoid and obsessed with trying to keep the relationship secret. http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/robert-bentley-alabama-governor-to-resign-237079 | ||
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