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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 04 2017 22:22 GMT
#145261
On April 05 2017 07:19 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2017 07:12 Plansix wrote:
On April 05 2017 07:05 Nevuk wrote:
Washington senators are likely ultraliberal, but the rural parts of the state probably have some voters who would call if urged on the matter.

This is on point. Rural areas in MA are filled with work class centrist democrats. Most of them are not wild about the pending shown in the senate, per my father. I have no doubt that Washington has a pretty reasonable number of centrists too.


And MA rural areas are decidely much more liberal than Washington if we go by the 2016 election results (every district in MA went blue).

Our population and cities are spread pretty evenly across the state, but I bet it is much more pronounced in Washington.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 04 2017 22:24 GMT
#145262
On April 05 2017 05:28 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2017 05:19 Danglars wrote:
On April 05 2017 00:00 KwarK wrote:
On April 04 2017 23:50 Danglars wrote:
On April 04 2017 23:11 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 04 2017 23:02 Danglars wrote:
On April 04 2017 22:34 LightSpectra wrote:
On April 04 2017 22:31 Danglars wrote:
Opponents call him racist, like always, and he's already used to that kind of slander so things are good.


In other words, racism's okay so long as you tough it out for a really long time and hope that eventually another racist promotes you for it.

Sessions thinks it's okay for the government to sell your house because your second cousin in another state is a drug dealer. He also thinks cancer patients using medical marijuana should go to prison. Is this really the hill you want to die on Danglars?

Racism's been an empty threat for years and I'm surprised people like you still cling to it.


Racists don't stop being racist because other racists have decided to vote for them.

But yeah, you happen to be right that it's an "empty threat" insofar that it doesn't really convince Republicans to not vote for them. That being said, it's really not a badge of honor like you make it out to be.

If you want to bring up other topics of criticism for justice department policies, I suggest you start in with something other than second cousins and prison for cancer victims and his remarks on the matter. So calm down the unwarranted trolling if you're actually into more depth than top 10 things to hate about Sessions.



I say this without exaggeration: Jeff Sessions is the most evil and dangerous person affiliated with Trump, and that's really saying something. There are no informed people who think Sessions deciding to "review" police departments is going to result in anything but more unarmed people being shot in the back without repercussion.

If that's the stakes of your engagement I'll give mine. Jeff Sessions is one of th brightest lights in the Trump administration, and a decent and honest man. I could think of few better to undo the despicable leadership of Holder and Lynch who politicized the department beyond belief. There are few criticisms I've seen leveled at the man that haven't subsisted on lies, twisted half-truths, and the most bitter hyperpartisanship as has persisted in the post-Clinton years. You've welcomed identity politics and benefited from false accusations of racism, so I say you deserve another dozen Trump administrations that push white & working class identity politics and cause chaos in the executive branch.

Out of curiousity do you think that cannabis is as bad as Sessions says it is or do you recognize it as the continuation of Nixon's Southern Strategy war on drugs associated with minorities?

I'm opposed on the merits not on some grand political strategy.

Could you clarify this? Do you support Sessions' attack on state's rights and cannabis users or do you oppose it? If you support it, do you support it because you think he's right (and every study on it is wrong) about the harm?

I addressed state rights in a post previously today. I've seen studies on both sides arguing about it's harmful or benign long term effects, brought to me by friends and acquaintances that feel much more strongly, one way or another, about the issue than I do. Since the Justice Department are not legislators, he is duty bound on the CSA & related court cases.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
April 04 2017 22:34 GMT
#145263
Today in Donald Trump Says Really Dumb Things news...

President Donald Trump blamed former President Barack Obama on Tuesday for "weakness" that he said led to a reprehensible chemical weapons attack by Syria's government, while his secretary of state said Russia and Iran bore moral responsible for the deaths.

In a series of strongly worded statements, Trump's administration sought to convey a forceful response to the attack in Syria's rebel-held northern Idlib. Trump said the attack against innocent people mustn't be "ignored by the civilized world."

"These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration's weakness and irresolution," Trump said, in a reference to Obama's failure to strike in 2013 after saying a chemical attack by Assad would cross a U.S. red line.


Source

This coming from a president who is not now proposing to establish a red line, and who wants to keep Assad in power.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 04 2017 22:40 GMT
#145264
One of the few external crises to date that Trump has to take care of. Performing admirably.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
April 04 2017 22:46 GMT
#145265
And again, it was congress that decided to cut the administration's legs out from under it by voting down military action. But Trump can't blame the people who said no, since he needs them to pass his terrible tax plan.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 04 2017 22:47 GMT
#145266
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 04 2017 22:55 GMT
#145267
Oh hey it's the brother of that guy from the DNC 2012 who they tried to paint as the new Obama.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-05 00:43:53
April 04 2017 23:45 GMT
#145268
I'm guessing one of those "associates" will probably be Steve Bannon, if the surveillance transcripts of that russian Kalugin guy actually exist (and provide proper evidence).
According to K. Olbermann (Link), the accusations are already facts...but I'd take it with a grain of salt, like anything else Olbermann puts out there.

"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
April 04 2017 23:54 GMT
#145269
CAIRO (Reuters) - Islamic State said on Tuesday the United States was drowning and "being run by an idiot".

In the first official remarks by the group referring to President Donald Trump since he took office, spokesman Abi al-Hassan al-Muhajer said:

"America you have drowned and there is no savior, and you have become prey for the soldiers of the caliphate in every part of the earth, you are bankrupt and the signs of your demise are evident to every eye."

"... There is no more evidence than the fact that you are being run by an idiot who does not know what Syria or Iraq or Islam is," he said in a recording released on Tuesday on messaging network Telegram.

Trump has made defeating Islamic State a priority of his presidency.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
April 05 2017 00:17 GMT
#145270
I'm surprised they didn't say his hands are small. Probably for the best tho. Could have started a nuclear apocalypse.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42667 Posts
April 05 2017 00:31 GMT
#145271
I'm sure they'll regret saying that as soon as Trump gets a map and someone to point out where Syria and Iraq are.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 05 2017 00:32 GMT
#145272
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4748 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-05 00:40:43
April 05 2017 00:40 GMT
#145273
On April 05 2017 09:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849388724098129921


Dissent, from same reporter.

+ Show Spoiler +






"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-05 00:53:16
April 05 2017 00:49 GMT
#145274
Sykes has signaled a bitter attitude towards discrimination claims since she was first appointed to the circuit, and that sort of logic is pretty rote with regards to these suits, only they've typically been in the majority until now. That Easterbrook, Posner, and Wood didn't dissent is HUGE lol.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15687 Posts
April 05 2017 01:05 GMT
#145275
Puts trump in a really interesting position. This is such a basic notion. Is discrimination for being gay legal or no.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 05 2017 01:09 GMT
#145276
On April 05 2017 09:40 Introvert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2017 09:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849388724098129921


Dissent, from same reporter.

+ Show Spoiler +


https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849390299403169792

https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849398289749487622


Rewriting statutes as they see fit. I'm glad we have one more on the Supreme Court willing to read statues as written.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
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Mercy13
Profile Joined January 2011
United States718 Posts
April 05 2017 01:18 GMT
#145277
On April 05 2017 10:09 Danglars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2017 09:40 Introvert wrote:
On April 05 2017 09:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849388724098129921


Dissent, from same reporter.

+ Show Spoiler +


https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849390299403169792

https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849398289749487622


Rewriting statutes as they see fit. I'm glad we have one more on the Supreme Court willing to read statues as written.


Isn't Gorsuch a natural law guy? He believes a judge's personal morality takes precedence over statutes.
Ayaz2810
Profile Joined September 2011
United States2763 Posts
April 05 2017 01:20 GMT
#145278
Oh shit. Some exclusive leaked EPA docs coming up on Maddow.
Vrtra Vanquisher/Tiamat Trouncer/World Serpent Slayer
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
April 05 2017 01:24 GMT
#145279
On April 05 2017 10:18 Mercy13 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 05 2017 10:09 Danglars wrote:
On April 05 2017 09:40 Introvert wrote:
On April 05 2017 09:32 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849388724098129921


Dissent, from same reporter.

+ Show Spoiler +


https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849390299403169792

https://twitter.com/jacobgershman/status/849398289749487622


Rewriting statutes as they see fit. I'm glad we have one more on the Supreme Court willing to read statues as written.


Isn't Gorsuch a natural law guy? He believes a judge's personal morality takes precedence over statutes.

Lol cite what you're talking about and its applicability, I'm lost. He's decided many times to take the writing over his personal views, going so far as to state that you're likely a bad judge if you agree with the results of all the judgements you've written. Originalism & Textualism are his claims to fame.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
April 05 2017 01:32 GMT
#145280
On April 05 2017 10:20 Ayaz2810 wrote:
Oh shit. Some exclusive leaked EPA docs coming up on Maddow.


Lol
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