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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 16:03 GMT
#138541
All laws with age restrictions are arbitrary in some way. Age of consent is mostly focused around the agent of adulthood(aka, 18), though not in every state. Lower age consent laws do not benefit the people they are designed to protect, while greatly benefit those who want to take advantage of minors. If you lower the age of consent, you are removing legal recourse for those children if they are abused.
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 20 2017 16:05 GMT
#138542
Also the side-problem of pregnancy. There are about zero 13-year-olds who are actually mentally/financially ready for that responsibility.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28778 Posts
February 20 2017 16:11 GMT
#138543
Do you have any data that backs up the assertion that minors are abused more in western countries where the age of consent is 15-16 than where the age of consent is 18? I mean, in Europe, only 5 countries have the age of consent above 16; Vatican State, Malta and Turkey (18) and Ireland and Cyprus (17). From that list, it seems like the religious component is a pretty damn strong factor, not that the numbers are chosen based on what decreases sexual abuse the most.

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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 16:25 GMT
#138544
Religion is often a factor to keep the ages lower, not higher. In the US, you can’t enter a contract until you are 18. You can’t work until you are 16 without parental approval. We restrict the hours you can work until you are 18. You have to go to school until you are 18 or drop out. You are not allowed you make our own life decisions until 18(legally, I get that there are rebellious teenagers). All of these are based on the understanding that adults have an advantage over children simply by virtue of being on the planet for longer and being more developed.

Given all the restrictions we put on children for other life altering decision, it would be pretty insane to make sex with adults not on that list. There are debates in education that critical thinking skills are not fully developed until age 15 or so. So maybe the laws should try to keep their sexual encounters to their peers.
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Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11786 Posts
February 20 2017 16:40 GMT
#138545
One thing i'd like to mention regarding that 14 years age of consent in Germany, it is not always 14, under some of circumstances it is 16. For example if someone older than 21 is involved (And the younger person complains). And under some circumstances it is 18 (I think if a third person watches, aka making porn, but not exactly sure here)
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12417 Posts
February 20 2017 16:52 GMT
#138546
I'm not sure why we trust Milo with this encounter given the amount of bullshit that he spews for attention on a regular basis.
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Biff The Understudy
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France8000 Posts
February 20 2017 16:57 GMT
#138547
On February 21 2017 01:05 LegalLord wrote:
Also the side-problem of pregnancy. There are about zero 13-year-olds who are actually mentally/financially ready for that responsibility.

Same thing for age 15. Having the right to have sex and right age to get children are totally different questions. I was not ready to have a child whatsoever in any way at all when i had sex the first time.

That's why you need sex ed and abortion rights.
The fellow who is out to burn things up is the counterpart of the fool who thinks he can save the world. The world needs neither to be burned up nor to be saved. The world is, we are. Transients, if we buck it; here to stay if we accept it. ~H.Miller
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 17:23 GMT
#138548
On other topics, I am glad that we have had to make a formal announcement that we are not seizing Iraq’s oil. Because that was a thing we should be discussing in 2017, stealing the natural resources of other nations.
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Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10866 Posts
February 20 2017 17:40 GMT
#138549
Plenty of people would probably be in favour of seizing it, so... its good?

This is just a bizarre nightmare.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 17:51 GMT
#138550
Living in New York and Washington, Greg Wortham heard all the grand talk about green energy from liberal politicians. Then he returned to the place where he grew up, a small town that embraced wind power so warmly that within a couple of years of the first turbine turning, it had some of the biggest farms on the planet.

Yet Wortham is not from California, Oregon or New England, but a deeply conservative sector of Texas on the edge of the Permian Basin, one of the most bountiful oil and gas patches in the world.

The welcome sign that greets motorists as they arrive in Sweetwater along Interstate 20, a three-hour drive west of Dallas, is not in the shape of an oil derrick or pumpjack, though: it’s a wind turbine blade bearing the town’s motto, “Life is sweet in Texas”.

For ranchers facing ruin until major international companies planted forests of 300ft-tall turbines among their crops and cattle, the wind boom has provided regular income that has allowed them to maintain their land and keep it in the family.

For Texas, this most Republican-dominated, oil-rich and fracking-friendly of states has found itself with the improbable status of being a national leader in this growing form of renewable energy.

Texas has 11,592 turbines and an installed wind capacity of 20,321 megawatts, according to the American Wind Energy Association: three times as much capacity as the next state, Iowa. (California is third.) For the 12-month period ending in October last year, wind provided 12.68% of Texas’s electricity production – equivalent to powering 5.7 million homes.

Four of the eleven largest wind farms in the world are in the region around Sweetwater, a friendly, part-historic, part-decrepit town of about 11,000 people that is home to so many serpents that every spring it holds a gory rattlesnake roundup.

The county’s tax base has soared from roughly $400m in 2000 to about $3bn today, as a result of a dramatic investment in wind that began in earnest under the governorships of two stalwart Republicans, George W Bush and Rick Perry.

Texas is just one of the Republican-leaning states that dominate wind energy in the US – the top three producers by percentage of state electricity supply are Iowa, South Dakota and Kansas. Like Texas, these states all voted for Donald Trump, who has made clear his dislike of clean energy such as solar and wind. “To begin with, the whole push for renewable energy is being driven by the wrong motivation, the mistaken belief that global climate change is being caused by carbon emissions,” the president wrote in his 2015 book Crippled America. “ If you don’t buy that – and I don’t – then what we have is really just an expensive way of making the tree-huggers feel good about themselves.”

At a campaign rally in August, Trump added that wind energy “kills all your birds. All your birds, killed. You know, the environmentalists never talk about that”.

But while the president and many Republicans in Congress have been disdainful of renewable energy and dismissive of climate change, support for wind in conservative areas has been quietly noted. In 2015, Congress extended a tax credit for wind production until 2020. With many rural communities feeling the benefits of wind energy, it’s unlikely that Trump would find much backing if he attempted to pull away this support.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-20 17:55:18
February 20 2017 17:51 GMT
#138551
Yes, because injecting hundreds of billions of totally unearned dollars into the national budget is a great idea. We will totally be able to give that up after we pay down the Iraq war debt, because that is the US budget works. It won’t be used to pay for things that we should be raising taxes to pay for. And the people of Iraq won’t have a problem with it at all, since that was completely justified. And its not like any wars have ever been started over national resources.

I feel like we have hit the political equivalent of telling people pouring hot water on your windshield to remove ice will end poorly.

edit: 12% of all of the power in Texas and 3 billion in tax revue. Off of wind. Just think of what we could accomplish if we could get the entrenched energy industry out of the way.
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1956 Posts
February 20 2017 17:53 GMT
#138552
Yeah, the age 14 for Germany is not what you think it is. In germany, having sex with a person under 14 if you are 14 or above is a crime. The parents of under 16 year olds can report persons of 21 and higher if they have sex with their children and then it has to be proven that the older person was not abusing the youth of the child. Translate: Adults stay away from under 16 year olds if they know what they are doing. 16 and older can not have sex with people who have secial responsibility, so teachers etc.

14 year old can sleep with 14 year olds without problems and they do. Now back to you, steve.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 18:14 GMT
#138553
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 20 2017 18:17 GMT
#138554
On February 21 2017 03:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/guypbenson/status/833740000760045568

Not sure it's a surprise given how spicy he has been the past week.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 18:22 GMT
#138555
No one who was aware of Milo pre-election is surprised by this.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-20 18:26:35
February 20 2017 18:26 GMT
#138556
inb4 he complains about how SJW's and such are the reason he got disinvited
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 20 2017 18:30 GMT
#138557
The greatest irony of this presidency so far? By all indications the people who voted Trump seem to be happy with what Trump has done.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 18:37 GMT
#138558
On February 21 2017 03:26 ticklishmusic wrote:
inb4 he complains about how SJW's and such are the reason he got disinvited

The “regressive left” is the mythical boogieman he blames when faced with the consequences of his repugnant views. Its like blaming the press for your terrible approval ratings, saying they are attacking you. Personal responsibility is over rated.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 18:38 GMT
#138559
Pence is playing the long game knowing that every week that passes Trump digs himself deeper into the hole that is/will be impeachment.

Vice President Mike Pence said Monday that he and President Donald Trump "strongly support a free and independent press," amid furor over Trump's latest attack on the media.

"Rest assured, both the President and I strongly support a free and independent press," Pence told reporters in Brussels, Belgium, per a White House pool report.

He said that Trump will continue to "call out" the press if it plays "fast and loose with the facts."

"The truth is that we have in President Trump someone who has a unique ability to speak directly to the American people," Pence said. "And when the media gets it wrong, I promise you, President Trump will take his case straight to the American people to set the record straight."

In a tweet posted Friday, Trump claimed that the "FAKE NEWS media" is not his personal nemesis but rather "the enemy of the American People."

Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) warned in an interview aired Sunday that suppressing critical coverage is "how dictators get started."

"If you want to preserve democracy as we know it, you have to have a free and many times adversarial press," he said. "Without it I'm afraid that we would lose so much of our individual liberties over time."

Secretary of Defense Gen. James Mattis also broke with Trump on Sunday, saying in an interview that he does not "have any issues with the press."

"I’ve had some rather contentious times with the press," he told reporters. "But no, the press as far as I’m concerned are a constituency that we deal with, and I don't have any issues with the press myself."


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brian
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States9639 Posts
February 20 2017 18:43 GMT
#138560
feels bad looking forward to someone as socially conservative (regressive.) as mike pence for president. feels real bad.
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