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Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

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zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 20 2017 18:44 GMT
#138561
On February 21 2017 03:30 LegalLord wrote:
The greatest irony of this presidency so far? By all indications the people who voted Trump seem to be happy with what Trump has done.

I don't see how that's ironic. i feel like i'm missing something.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
February 20 2017 18:46 GMT
#138562
[image loading]
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 20 2017 18:53 GMT
#138563
Big mistake for CPAC.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 18:55 GMT
#138564


"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
February 20 2017 18:55 GMT
#138565
On February 21 2017 03:53 xDaunt wrote:
Big mistake for CPAC.

could be. what do you estimate it will cost them in lost support/donations/clout/whatever compared to the alternative actions they could have taken?
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 18:57 GMT
#138566
Is it? Is it really? Having been aware of Milo for about three years, I think they got out right before people really started to find out exactly what kind of person he is.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 18:58 GMT
#138567
Also the fact that a conservative website is the one that broke the story says it all.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
February 20 2017 19:18 GMT
#138568
If you say something people don't like and they get a whiff of it, you get disinvited from generic feelgood conferences. MORE NEWS AT 11!
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
February 20 2017 19:21 GMT
#138569
On February 21 2017 03:58 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also the fact that a conservative website is the one that broke the story says it all.

So some conservatives think he's making them look bad? Perhaps they think he's too ostentatious?
He fights one extreme with another and just ends up too polarizing for the moderates.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 19:29 GMT
#138570
I think the chance of Milo making them look bad is 100%.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 20 2017 19:57 GMT
#138571
New York Senator Chuck Schumer has ramped up pressure on Donald Trump and the federal government to accept the mounting costs of protecting the president, the first family and their extended entourage.

Schumer, the Senate Democratic leader, inserted himself into the debate on Sunday, saying it costs $500,000 per day for nearly 200 police officers to protect Trump Tower on Fifth Avenue in Manhattan, which houses the Trump family business headquarters and serves as the home of the first lady, Melania Trump, and the couple’s son, Barron. The senator estimated the cost could rise to as much as $183m annually.

At current estimates, even a four-year Trump administration could be heading for a billion dollars in taxpayer-borne costs – an eight-fold increase of the $97m Judicial Watch, a conservative watchdog group, estimates it cost to protect Barack Obama over the two terms of his administration.

The estimated costs of guarding Trump Tower have varied from $1m a day (during daily protests before the inauguration) to around $100,000 for the first lady and Barron, 10, who are staying in New York until at least the end of the school year.

Schumer urged Trump to include the costs in the federal budget, noting that New York City has only been reimbursed $7m of $35m requested for the cost of protecting the tower for the period between election day and the Inauguration.

“It’s simply unfair to have New York City taxpayers alone bear the burden of NYPD protection at Trump Tower. President Trump: this is your protection, so I challenge you to put these costs in your upcoming federal budget and make a commitment to reimburse New York City,” Schumer said during a press briefing at his Manhattan office.

In contrast, the cost of protecting former president Obama during his four trips to the city last year came to just $4.1m. The costs of protecting the Obama family home in Chicago over the same pre-inauguration period in his presidency was estimated at $2.2m.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 20 2017 20:04 GMT
#138572
Trump company should pay 2% of gross income for overhead related to Trump being president.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45368 Posts
February 20 2017 20:43 GMT
#138573
On February 21 2017 03:46 Nevuk wrote:
[image loading]


Basically they're trying to isolate and exile the alt-right/ Milo and Trump supporters? That's not an insignificant percentage of conservative supporters they're explicitly turning away with this move, although I do like that they actually have some standards for speakers, even though they apparently didn't vet Milo ahead of time (they should have already known he's a scumbag). It shows that the Republican base is not willing to be explicitly seen as the Party of Trump, although on the other hand this will become another counterexample to the claim that liberals are the only ones who own the political correctness/ safe space/ getting triggered titles.

Overall, I think it's a net good for America though.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
February 20 2017 20:49 GMT
#138574
On February 21 2017 03:53 xDaunt wrote:
Big mistake for CPAC.


Maybe the mistake was inviting him in the first place.

I mostly agree with Drone's discussion on this topic.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
February 20 2017 20:55 GMT
#138575
On February 21 2017 05:43 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 21 2017 03:46 Nevuk wrote:
[image loading]


Basically they're trying to isolate and exile the alt-right/ Milo and Trump supporters? That's not an insignificant percentage of conservative supporters they're explicitly turning away with this move, although I do like that they actually have some standards for speakers, even though they apparently didn't vet Milo ahead of time (they should have already known he's a scumbag). It shows that the Republican base is not willing to be explicitly seen as the Party of Trump, although on the other hand this will become another counterexample to the claim that liberals are the only ones who own the political correctness/ safe space/ getting triggered titles.

Overall, I think it's a net good for America though.


Considering Trumps speaking I'm guessing no.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-20 21:03:14
February 20 2017 20:58 GMT
#138576
McMaster new NSA.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/us/politics/mcmaster-national-security-adviser-trump.html
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 21:07 GMT
#138577
I will enjoy watching that man put Bannon in his place. Or quit in protest. I give it a 50/50.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-02-20 21:09:34
February 20 2017 21:09 GMT
#138578
From what I've seen I'm a big fan of the pick. He is very intelligent and a student of history. I don't think he would be afraid to tell Bannon or any of the other political hacks that they are fucking idiots.

Complete 180 from Flynn.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 20 2017 21:12 GMT
#138579
I am thankful that we will have someone who understands that words in English translate into different worlds in Arabic. This was a complex concept for Flynn.

Now if we can just get that through congress.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 20 2017 21:17 GMT
#138580
Good bit of reading on a major project McMaster worked on just last year. Full of both praise and criticism.
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/04/moscow-pentagon-us-secret-study-213811
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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