US Politics Mega-thread - Page 6699

On January 30 2017 13:28 Madkipz wrote:

Trumps amendments to the bill through executive order don't change anything that Obama hasn't done before (Obama Banned all Iraqi Refugees for 6 Months in 2011).

On January 30 2017 13:35 Nevuk wrote:
Trump seems to be attempting to be Andrew Jackson, but Andrew Jackson was actually popular, and a former general. Trump's actions make more sense if one approaches it from the angle that he believes that he is so popular that he can do whatever he wishes.

On January 30 2017 13:37 OuchyDathurts wrote:


Well in his twisted reality he won the popular vote by millions and everybody loves him. Also Bannon compared his inauguration address to Andrew Jackson. None of this is a coincidence

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On January 30 2017 14:34 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Politico had some article by an Andrew Jackson historian who basically said that Jackson would have beat the crap out of Trump for his comments on women. I can't find it which is weird but it was pretty entertaining. Wasn't exactly serious political analysis or anything.

On January 30 2017 14:46 GreenHorizons wrote:


I imagine it's connected to him killing Charles Dickinson for accusing him of cheating on a bet and insulting his wife. If only Ted Cruz had a little (of the right part of) Jackson in him maybe we could have avoided all of this.

On January 30 2017 13:34 kwizach wrote:

This is false. See here, for example.

On January 30 2017 11:12 biology]major wrote:


Really the main benefit is just the conversation about islam and it's problems entering into mainstream dialogue. This would absolutely not be a topic of conversation had it not been for Trump's initial announcement of a muslim ban. No republican would have dared even approach this issue. It is because of Trump that people are openly able to go on live tv and defend these policies. It would be political suicide at any other time. We will just have to wait and see what type of vetting improvements are implemented after the 90 days.

I think the green card thing has been fixed.

On January 30 2017 08:14 xDaunt wrote:

The false equivalence of comparing Christians to Muslims is rather tiresome. It's been a while since Christian nations en masse legislated for the killing of homosexuals. And the key difference is this: Western liberalism is born of Christian values. There is a big difference between asking Christians to adopt extensions of their faith and asking Muslims to adopt extensions of Christian faith. There is a huge cultural divide that you are not accounting for.

On January 30 2017 09:04 xDaunt wrote:

I'm willing to pay a fairly high price to implement sane immigration policies and ensure that the US retains its American culture. The problem with liberals and the left is that, in their vain pursuit of multiculturalism, they ignore cultivating the glue that binds a nation together. In fact, they attack it. If you are going to have a multicultural society, then you better damned well make sure that there is a strong national identity that binds everyone together (ie you better be nationalist). But the left openly craps on nationalism (they even crap on the idea of forcing a common, national language), thereby setting us up for a lot of problems down the road.

On January 30 2017 07:54 xDaunt wrote:

We don't have to go as far as ISIS to find the populations of Muslims that are incompatible with the West and Western values. As a good liberal, are you not bothered by the high incidences of anti-homosexual and anti-women's rights behavior in Muslim nations? And I'm just picking those traditions because they're the most obvious. I could point to others as well.

On January 30 2017 18:32 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Has Trump issued a statement about what happened in Quebec with the shooting at the mosque? I can't find one but that doesn't necessarily mean it's not out there somewhere.

On January 30 2017 20:14 mikedebo wrote:


I would honestly be surprised if he knows what Quebec even is.