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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On November 14 2016 07:00 xDaunt wrote: Interesting. Priebus is going to be chief of staff and Bannon will be "chief strategist and senior counselor to the president." I can't see this ending well. They don't seem suited to get along well. One of the two will get absolutely sidelined. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On November 14 2016 09:26 Danglars wrote: I can't see this ending well. They don't seem suited to get along well. One of the two will get absolutely sidelined. And its gonna be Bannon. He's outnumbered and really out of his element. He served Trump well and he'll get a position for a while, but I think Preibus is going into this under the assumption that Bannon is temporary. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Introvert
United States4999 Posts
On November 14 2016 09:28 Mohdoo wrote: And its gonna be Bannon. He's outnumbered and really out of his element. He served Trump well and he'll get a position for a while, but I think Preibus is going into this under the assumption that Bannon is temporary. Or alterntively, Preibus is there to keep people from freaking out. Then again, Trump even had Reince go on stage with him on victory night, maybe he really does like him. Reince certainly was as much the shoe-shiner that Christie hoped to be. We need more details, since we are already all over the place. Amend Obamacare vs. repeal? Check. Back out of Paris agreement? Check. Deport criminal aliens? Check. Liberal student loan rules? Check. "Renegotiate" Iran deal vs. rescind? Check. But those justices better come through. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I mean, I don't even understand why people are so dedicated to rejecting a possible increase in these things; I can understand resistance to attributing them to Trump or making him responsible, but surely they do understand that it can be vindicating and motivating for the people out there who actually do think of Trump as a champion of the white race when he's going to be the next President? I mean, if Clinton had won I wouldn't have been skeptical of all reports of graffiti on the doors of Young Republicans organizations in colleges. | ||
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
A lot of this, if accurate, gives me hope. Sounds very..... democrat-like. | ||
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Introvert
United States4999 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:08 Ayaz2810 wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html A lot of this, if accurate, gives me hope. Sounds very..... democrat-like. Concerns about Trump's competence were more valid than concerns about electing a right-wing extremist. Trump is a lefty on most issues, if anyone cared to listen. Perhaps he's more accurately compared to a European right leaning populist. Trump basically is a Democrat, but from a different era. Running joke among NeverTrumpers is that they didn't vote for either Democrat running in this election. | ||
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Mysticesper
United States1183 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:16 Introvert wrote: Concerns about Trump's competence were more valid than concerns about electing a right-wing extremist. Trump is a lefty on most issues, if anyone cared to listen. Perhaps he's more accurately compared to a European right leaning populist. Trump basically is a Democrat, but from a different era. Running joke among NeverTrumpers is that they didn't vote for either Democrat running in this election. Pretty much this. The whole problem with Trump at the start if people remember is that he was too much of a democrat in the primaries "not a conservative" being the main argument. I expect that there will be a lot of surprises over the next few years. You already see a lot of resistance in Congress about his various plans from his own party on things like the infrastructure (probably the one major thing bipartisan support could happen), etc. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:54 Mysticesper wrote: Pretty much this. The whole problem with Trump at the start if people remember is that he was too much of a democrat in the primaries "not a conservative" being the main argument. I expect that there will be a lot of surprises over the next few years. You already see a lot of resistance in Congress about his various plans from his own party on things like the infrastructure (probably the one major thing bipartisan support could happen), etc. even back then it was a mix of that and issues of competence/suitability. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:54 Mysticesper wrote: Pretty much this. The whole problem with Trump at the start if people remember is that he was too much of a democrat in the primaries "not a conservative" being the main argument. I expect that there will be a lot of surprises over the next few years. You already see a lot of resistance in Congress about his various plans from his own party on things like the infrastructure (probably the one major thing bipartisan support could happen), etc. We're going to have two very different parties at the end of all this. I guess that was xDaunt's big argument for voting Trump but the downside is the uncertainty we have to deal with as a result of him winning. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:08 Ayaz2810 wrote: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/13/politics/donald-trump-60-minutes-first-interview/index.html A lot of this, if accurate, gives me hope. Sounds very..... democrat-like. If people did actual research instead of relying on facebook/twitter/msn/CNN/fox/etc, they would have known a lot of this already. Anyone who's legitimately worried that gay marriage will be overturned or legal people being deported are just plain stupid and letting the media's fear mongering work on them. Whether he'll be an actual good president we shall see, but I personally believe he has a better chance at it than Clinton ever did. He seems very passionate about improving America. He's not going to take the President Salary, plans on taking very very little (if any) vacations during his presidency. I hope he does good and I feel like he can, but only time will tell. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On November 14 2016 11:05 blade55555 wrote: If people did actual research instead of relying on facebook/twitter/msn/CNN/fox/etc, they would have known a lot of this already. Anyone who's legitimately worried that gay marriage will be overturned or legal people being deported are just plain stupid and letting the media's fear mongering work on them. I would agree with you about gay marriage worries being not a large deal (or abortion, for that matter)...if Pence weren't the VP and Trump hadn't said candidly that he was going to appoint judges that would overturn Roe v. Wade. Trump really does not give a shit about social conservatism personally, but he does know who can pull the strings and that's why he picked who he did. I can understand thinking he's masking his true positions, but I can only stretch that so far when he flatly contradicts them at the debates and his VP is someone who believes in gay conversion therapy. Any court that would overturn Roe v. Wade would overturn Obergefell v. Hodges, I think. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
On November 14 2016 11:05 blade55555 wrote: If people did actual research instead of relying on facebook/twitter/msn/CNN/fox/etc, they would have known a lot of this already. Anyone who's legitimately worried that gay marriage will be overturned or legal people being deported are just plain stupid and letting the media's fear mongering work on them. Whether he'll be an actual good president we shall see, but I personally believe he has a better chance at it than Clinton ever did. He seems very passionate about improving America. He's not going to take the President Salary, plans on taking very very little (if any) vacations during his presidency. I hope he does good and I feel like he can, but only time will tell. being passionate doesn't help if you don't know what you're doing. There are a LOT of people who are very passionate about improving america, few would would make good presidents. skipping the salary really doesn't count for much of anything. not taking enough vacations is actually a mistake. it's very important to get enough rest for good decision-making. trump is high on uncertainty; as such, the possibility of outside things happening can remain an issue. especially given the odds Pence becomes president with his track record. | ||
TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I think he will be remembered well, but not without reservation. He didn't stem the flow of a population looking for momentous change. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On November 14 2016 10:01 TheTenthDoc wrote: It's pretty jarring to see systematic efforts elsewhere to marginalize any report of any racial or religious violence, including the real planned KKK March in North Carolina, as lying and/or a media conspiracy. I mean, I don't even understand why people are so dedicated to rejecting a possible increase in these things; I can understand resistance to attributing them to Trump or making him responsible, but surely they do understand that it can be vindicating and motivating for the people out there who actually do think of Trump as a champion of the white race when he's going to be the next President? I mean, if Clinton had won I wouldn't have been skeptical of all reports of graffiti on the doors of Young Republicans organizations in colleges. This is what happens when people tire of the media's relentless propaganda and cease giving a shit about what the media has to say. Like I have been railing about for years around here, when everyone's a racist, then no one's a racist. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 14 2016 11:12 xDaunt wrote: I bet Trump is going to be the president that a lot of democrats wished Obama was. The bottom line is that Trump is left on a lot of issues, and he is more likely to get action on those issues than Obama. Might want to re-evaluate this one. We don't have much of an idea what is going to happen. Trump's inability to focus and taking a "chairman of the board" role means, like we suspected, others especially Mike Pence are gonna be making a lot of decisions. The notion that we can make all these reasoned statements of what President Trump will be and do is pretty silly. His incompetence still makes him a dice roll. And I hope Trump's supporters have the honesty to own the result. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On November 14 2016 12:17 xDaunt wrote: This is what happens when people tire of the media's relentless propaganda and Having brains means you know a KKK march is newsworthy. If you're willing to deny that, there's a lot you're willing to deny. Such as that Donald Trump is a deer in headlights right now. User was warned for this post | ||
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