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In terms of long term structural changes to address some of the issues in this election, I've decided I'd like to switch to Approval Voting and abolish primaries. Primaries are mostly a necessity for FPTP, since you need to settle on one candidate. With approval voting you can run a larger slate well enough.
This serves several goals in hindsight and in general: We'd know if Bernie woulda beat Trump, since they'd both be on the main ballot. Two most hated candidates wouldn't be the only real options, several of the bland middle-ish options would've been available, almost everyone would have someone they feel they can vote for. Instead of two less centered candidates we'd have more centrist options available, since people don't need to win a partisan primary. SHORTER CAMPAIGN SEASON YAY!
On November 13 2016 22:50 farvacola wrote: Should Bernie to continue to lead among Democrats not interested in playing the blame game, I don't think it will be difficult for Democrats to reproduce the above mentioned third way effect, only this time it's going to be less Trumpy and more socialist. First step is getting Ellison the DNC chair
I feel like I have missed something. Does Sanders really hold much weight in the Democratic party? He has been running for office as Independent for decades. I do realize that he has been endorsed by the Democratic party for a while now and that he has almost exclusively voted alongside Democrats in the Senate but is he really somebody the Democratic party would allow to have much of a say in it?
Typically, political parties go through a restructuring period following an electoral loss that goes against expectations. Given the unprecedented nature of the just completed election, it is fair to say that it's currently unclear how much weight anyone has in the Democratic party moving forward as there is a deep-rooted dissatisfaction with how party leadership handled the prior election.
Since the election results, Bernie has been extremely active with his outreach groups and has been pushing for Ellison as party chair alongside other left of center Democrats. While the party may very well foolishly reject this approach and stick with Howard Dean, I think it's becoming hard to ignore the fact that folks like Bernie and Warren are the only ones bringing good energy to the table.
On November 13 2016 22:50 farvacola wrote: Should Bernie to continue to lead among Democrats not interested in playing the blame game, I don't think it will be difficult for Democrats to reproduce the above mentioned third way effect, only this time it's going to be less Trumpy and more socialist. First step is getting Ellison the DNC chair
I feel like I have missed something. Does Sanders really hold much weight in the Democratic party? He has been running for office as Independent for decades. I do realize that he has been endorsed by the Democratic party for a while now and that he has almost exclusively voted alongside Democrats in the Senate but is he really somebody the Democratic party would allow to have much of a say in it?
You're thinking in terms of the party structure, in which sense he is definitely an outsider. From the perspective of the electorate, however, he absolutely has a lot of influence. They will listen to him because half their base really likes the guy.
A very brief Trump Cabinet pick discussion by ABC basically dropping some names.
Trump platform and campaign promises were very broad and very anti-establishment. We were looking at shaking up the world order in many different ways, the biggest of which would be foreign commitments and trade.
But all that needs to be executed well. Trump appointments can execute poorly or even undermine his platform and campaign promises.
Some of the unfamiliar outsider names might be true to Trump's platform. Chris Christie isn't a good administrator or maybe doesn't have any competent underlings. But please keep Newt Gingirch out in the cold.
On November 13 2016 23:52 farvacola wrote: Typically, political parties go through a restructuring period following an electoral loss that goes against expectations. Given the unprecedented nature of the just completed election, it is fair to say that it's currently unclear how much weight anyone has in the Democratic party moving forward as there is a deep-rooted dissatisfaction with how party leadership handled the prior election.
Since the election results, Bernie has been extremely active with his outreach groups and has been pushing for Ellison as party chair alongside other left of center Democrats. While the party may very well foolishly reject this approach and stick with Howard Dean, I think it's becoming hard to ignore the fact that folks like Bernie and Warren are the only ones bringing good energy to the table.
The Ellison vs Dean showmatch is where we'll see what lessons are learned. It should help with things that it's basically obvious that Bernie would be president now (with the caveat that you have to not be kwizach, see below), but I never want to underestimate their capacity to ignore their progressive wing.
On November 13 2016 23:52 farvacola wrote: Typically, political parties go through a restructuring period following an electoral loss that goes against expectations. Given the unprecedented nature of the just completed election, it is fair to say that it's currently unclear how much weight anyone has in the Democratic party moving forward as there is a deep-rooted dissatisfaction with how party leadership handled the prior election.
Since the election results, Bernie has been extremely active with his outreach groups and has been pushing for Ellison as party chair alongside other left of center Democrats. While the party may very well foolishly reject this approach and stick with Howard Dean, I think it's becoming hard to ignore the fact that folks like Bernie and Warren are the only ones bringing good energy to the table.
It should help with things that it's basically obvious that Bernie would be president now
It's not obvious at all. Hillary losing doesn't suddenly erase the numerous flaws of Sanders as a candidate and the obstacles he would have faced as the nominee.
edit to answer Nebuchad's ad personam above: targeting me won't give substance to a position that is based on your personal preference for Sanders and not on data or in-depth analysis.
Yeah, I'm not very interested in positing whether or not Bernie would be president had things turned out differently, though I do feel like he'd have fared better among the voters who swung states like Ohio and Michigan (that said, there's reason to think that he'd have performed even more poorly with minorities than Clinton). In any case, I think the party still needs to wrestle with better incorporating approaches to electoral politics like that of Sanders.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
On November 13 2016 23:52 farvacola wrote: Typically, political parties go through a restructuring period following an electoral loss that goes against expectations. Given the unprecedented nature of the just completed election, it is fair to say that it's currently unclear how much weight anyone has in the Democratic party moving forward as there is a deep-rooted dissatisfaction with how party leadership handled the prior election.
Since the election results, Bernie has been extremely active with his outreach groups and has been pushing for Ellison as party chair alongside other left of center Democrats. While the party may very well foolishly reject this approach and stick with Howard Dean, I think it's becoming hard to ignore the fact that folks like Bernie and Warren are the only ones bringing good energy to the table.
It should help with things that it's basically obvious that Bernie would be president now
It's not obvious at all. Hillary losing doesn't suddenly erase the numerous flaws of Sanders as a candidate and the obstacles he would have faced as the nominee.
Eh he may have some minor flaws but some major strengths of his include the ability to not alienate half the party and not handing the white house to DJ Trump.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
Really? I have talked to engineers who think that its the american ones who are shit, though they are also in favor of less H1-B.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
Really? I have talked to engineers who think that its the american ones who are shit, though they are also in favor of less H1-B.
I'm sure it varies. Engineering is an enormously diverse field. I work in semiconductor manufacturing/R&D
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
Really? I have talked to engineers who think that its the american ones who are shit, though they are also in favor of less H1-B.
All they need to do is to increase the salary floor to about $100,000 (adjusted for cost of living by state maybe) so that it removes any incentive for cost cutting via hiring cheap labor, while at the same time allowing companies to retain the best talent.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
Really? I have talked to engineers who think that its the american ones who are shit, though they are also in favor of less H1-B.
All they need to do is to increase the salary floor to about $100,000 (adjusted for cost of living by state maybe) so that it removes any incentive for cost cutting via hiring cheap labor, while at the same time allowing companies to retain the best talent.
Plenty of engineering fields would hope for more than 100k/year, some for starting positions. Though that's rare. I would be more comfortable with companies being required to show that they are paying an average salary to the person. They need to be paying what they show they would also be paying an American citizen.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
I too am under the impression that less H1-B visas would be better. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't push myself towards a direction that involves having to deal with less of those due to how unpleasant it's been to deal with those.
No way to have this discussion without it coming of as completely and utterly racist though, which is one of the major problems with many Democratic "identity politics" situations, lol.
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
I too am under the impression that less H1-B visas would be better. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't push myself towards a direction that involves having to deal with less of those due to how unpleasant it's been to deal with those. No way to have this discussion without it coming of as completely and utterly racist though, which is one of the major problems with many Democratic "identity politics" situations though, lol.
They come from worse schools and build experience in less developed/advanced environments. Its not racist to say a country is worse in some way. In my work, I am given unique experiences because of my company's place in our industry and I would not expect someone in India to get this.
Maybe its different in other tech industries but from my experience in software, US labor demand exceeds supply and H-1B visas allow tech companies to fill their labor demand with foreign workers. Actual quality of these workers varies from company to company but the big name tech companies are generally able to tap into the most highly qualified workers who match, if not exceed, their American counterparts.
On November 14 2016 02:18 Mohdoo wrote: They come from worse schools and build experience in less developed/advanced environments.
Aren't a lot of H-1B holders educated in US universities?
On November 14 2016 01:28 Mohdoo wrote: While Trump may be a dingle berry, his plans for student debt and H1B visas sounds damn good to me
What plan on H1-B visas? As far as I can tell he's really quite inconsistent about it.
Good point regarding details. I am just operating under the assumption that at the end of the day, significantly less people will be awarded H1-B visas. In my industry, I have directly seen it blow ass and just result in shitty engineers.
I too am under the impression that less H1-B visas would be better. I'd be lying if I said that I didn't push myself towards a direction that involves having to deal with less of those due to how unpleasant it's been to deal with those. No way to have this discussion without it coming of as completely and utterly racist though, which is one of the major problems with many Democratic "identity politics" situations though, lol.
They come from worse schools and build experience in less developed/advanced environments. Its not racist to say a country is worse in some way. In my work, I am given unique experiences because of my company's place in our industry and I would not expect someone in India to get this.
I get that impression as well, but it doesn't seem to stop companies from hiring them here or moving offices outside the US and using mostly non americans who aren't quite as knowledgeable in whatever specific field they are working on but they are used to do a lot of the base stuff and oversaw by someone who is an expert in that field.
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