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On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument, making it about if it causes it or not isn't relevant. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
On November 10 2016 10:13 farvacola wrote: For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's
When we get to the point of "we've never seen storms like this in such frequency", people will start believing real quick.
The alarmists already made that prediction, and then we went without a major hurricane hitting the US for 11 years, with relatively minimal hurricane activity during that time overall.
This is your reasoning on the issue, and it's just so poor.
On November 10 2016 10:28 RealityIsKing wrote: Yes, better deals means deals that are more beneficial to Americans than the current ones.
Beneficial in what sense? You're not saying anything other than "they'll be better because they'll be better".
A lot of people in rural America are being left behind in the 21st century. This is a legitimate problem for our country. But this is not a problem that can be fixed just by protectionist trade policy. Globalization and technological advance are inexorable forces that even the best government is not going to be able to stop. The United States stopping progress for these people isn't going to make the rest of the world wait for us.
There are no easy answers to this, so stop treating it like there is one. A major shift in how our economy generates wealth is inevitably going to leave a lot of people behind. How we help those people is a complex problem that simply can't be solved by saying "we'll negotiate better deals". There are just too many forces in play that are outside of our control.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
You do realize you didn't actually make a point in this post? You said "better deals".
Yes, better deals means deals that are more beneficial to Americans than the current ones.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
I think you will want to rephrase that second sentence :p
I'm not sure why? There's nobody in this thread that will deny that evolution is stupid and has no place in school books. Plus if I remember correctly Trump wants to give power to localities to determine how they run their own education programs.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
I think you mean Creationism, but true I forgot about anti-vaccines!
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
I think you will want to rephrase that second sentence :p
I'm not sure why? There's nobody in this thread that will deny that evolution is stupid and has no place in school books. Plus if I remember correctly Trump wants to give power to localities to determine how they run their own education programs.
Creationism*. Religious conservatives definitely are not going out of their way to make sure science (i.e., evolution) is talk in science class lol.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
No, vaccines don't cause autism.
Agreed, unless Yurie wants to argue that 0 is a "very small percentage", although that tends to imply a positive number lol.
On November 10 2016 10:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Trump knows Climate Change exist but the rubes that voted for him don't whether it be greed or simple religious belief that they are the center of the Universe and if the world ends it's "God's will". Trump just wants power.
Gen 9.15: And I will remember My covenant, which is between Me and you and every living creature of all flesh; and never again shall I destroy all life with water. However, I reserve the right to use fire. Though honestly, I think you guys are gonna probably destroy yourselves before I ever get around to it. You might drown yourselves by melting the ice, or you might find a way to burn the earth to a crisp with the fire of the sun. I can see it going either way. But, back to my main point, I'm not gonna flood the earth again. If that shit happens again, it's on you.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
No, vaccines don't cause autism.
It is very hard to disprove something. As far as I know it does not cause it. Agreed. The problem is that it is close to impossible to disprove something. Which is why that portion should not be the core of any argument. Even if it causes it in high percentages, which we have proof that it does not do, then it is still worthwhile taking them due to the proven consequences of not using them.
On November 10 2016 10:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Trump knows Climate Change exist but the rubes that voted for him don't whether it be greed or simple religious belief that they are the center of the Universe and if the world ends it's "God's will". Trump just wants power.
I think by now I'm long past the idea that Trump "can't possibly be that stupid" when evaluating the comments he makes.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
No, vaccines don't cause autism.
Agreed, unless Yurie wants to argue that 0 is a "very small percentage", although that tends to imply a positive number lol.
Ya lol. There's enough people out there that still believe this autism crap despite it being proven false (ie article was fabricated).
On November 10 2016 10:23 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Trump knows Climate Change exist but the rubes that voted for him don't whether it be greed or simple religious belief that they are the center of the Universe and if the world ends it's "God's will". Trump just wants power.
I think by now I'm long past the idea that Trump "can't possibly be that stupid" when evaluating the comments he makes.
The interesting thing will be the actual actions taken. They will prove whether he talks without thinking first or if he means what he says.
On November 10 2016 10:38 Yurie wrote: It is very hard to disprove something. As far as I know it does not cause it. Agreed. The problem is that it is close to impossible to disprove something. Which is why that portion should not be the core of any argument. Even if it causes it in high percentages, which we have proof that it does not do, then it is still worthwhile taking them due to the proven consequences of not using them.
The strongest yet still accurate statement would be "the claim that vaccines cause autism has no basis in any currently-accepted scientific literature". That is, there is no legitimate evidence supporting that claim. Can it be disproved? No. But all support for the idea that vaccines cause autism comes from pseudoscience, paranoia, or pure ignorance.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
Vaccines might cause autism in very small percentages. The diseases they protect against cause death in orders of magnitude higher percentages. That is the core of the argument. Do you want a very small chance at a disability or a larger chance to die?
I think evolution should be in school books. Not sure why you disagree.
No, vaccines don't cause autism.
It is very hard to disprove something. As far as I know it does not cause it. Agreed. The problem is that it is close to impossible to disprove something. Which is why that portion should not be the core of any argument. Even if it causes it in high percentages, which we have proof that it does not do, then it is still worthwhile taking them due to the proven consequences of not using them.
The default position- the null hypothesis, if you will- is that there is not a causal relationship between vaccines and autism. No medical study (except for the one that was fabricated, removed, and the authors discredited) has ever established such a relationship, let alone one that has been repeated. Every study has shown no causation. Therefore, we can make the statement that there is no such causation (which can later be rejected if evidence one day demonstrates otherwise).
On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
You do realize you didn't actually make a point in this post? You said "better deals".
Yes, better deals means deals that are more beneficial to Americans than the current ones.
Fingers crossed!
Same here.
I think the next 4 years might be America's "new wave".
With how RNC have the house, senate, and the white house, they now have the cards to pass bill VERY efficiently.
So there will be changes but this depends on how foreign countries react and how America react to their reactions.
EPT
