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On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
You do realize you didn't actually make a point in this post? You said "better deals".
For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's, so there'll at least be some poetic justice in that.
On November 10 2016 09:28 Kickstart wrote: You see no problem with appointing a climate 'skeptic' to that office when the scientific consensus is that man made climate change is an issue? Or do you not think such a scientific consensus exists?
significant conflicts of interest, potential corruption, improprieties with handling the data, numerous self-contradictions, and problems with historical climate alarmism in the face of empirical data. The sum of all of this makes me suspect that people are pushing an agenda for their own selfish reasons as opposed to promoting the welfare of the planet.
Dear god, the extent of people's distrust of the sources of information they receive through the media. Hopefully down the road, you remember the views you espoused in this day.
American conservatives won't believe in global warming even if the Appalachian mountains are underwater
On November 10 2016 10:13 farvacola wrote: For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's
When we get to the point of "we've never seen storms like this in such frequency", people will start believing real quick.
On November 10 2016 10:13 farvacola wrote: For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's
When we get to the point of "we've never seen storms like this in such frequency", people will start believing real quick.
On November 10 2016 10:13 farvacola wrote: For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's
When we get to the point of "we've never seen storms like this in such frequency", people will start believing real quick.
The alarmists already made that prediction, and then we went without a major hurricane hitting the US for 11 years, with relatively minimal hurricane activity during that time overall.
On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
Trump had shown night understanding of the effect of globalization and the increase in automation..his policies basically are going to be a failed effort to prop up industries and systems that need to be discarded and changed not nonsense. Manufacturing will never comeven back. Coal will not survive. At least Clinton had a plan to focus on nurturing emerging industries to create jobs and retraining for those in older ones. But no trump will wave his wand and save everyone loooool.
On November 10 2016 10:13 farvacola wrote: For better or for worse, Florida is in a prime position to suffer directly as a result of its support for climate skepticism like xDaunt's
It's already start to flood in parts of Miami Beach when the tide comes in results in road closures and business having to move as well as damage.
Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
Trump knows Climate Change exist but the rubes that voted for him don't whether it be greed or simple religious belief that they are the center of the Universe and if the world ends it's "God's will". Trump just wants power.
On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
You do realize you didn't actually make a point in this post? You said "better deals".
Yes, better deals means deals that are more beneficial to Americans than the current ones.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books.
On November 10 2016 09:43 Doodsmack wrote: Trump wasting no time stocking his transition team with lobbyists in the employ of major corps...but his low info dummies aren't aware of course.
You are still thinking in black and white term "class" oriented concepts.
Stop that.
It is 100% possible for the employers and employees collaborating together.
The reason why people are disgruntled is because of lack of jobs.
And you can't coordinate a plan to increase jobs without the "major corps".
Obviously American democracy wants to see this strategy of decreasing taxes for the employers so that they are able to expand their industries and thus create jobs.
And obviously Obama's administration didn't exactly help with the job creation department, which is why the DNC lost.
Please tell me how the mighty Trump will undo globalization?
He cannot bring back the jobs because no one in the US is willing to work for the wages required for that
He is not going to undo globalization.
He have never said that.
So stop spreading that.
He said that he will negotiate better deals.
He even said that he will keep on trading.
With DNC more in power, you will simply hemorrhage jobs out of the country.
At least Trump recognize this problem, which the DNC doesn't even acknowledges that. So he will think about a plan to fix that.
Whether or not Trump will succeed, nobody knows.
But at least be like President Obama to have an open mind on this.
Be open minded, be a classical liberal.
Indeed you didn't say he would undo globalization. You said he would bring jobs back to America. Why did those jobs leave?
Automation in part Globalization in the other, because low skill jobs moved to other countries where labor is cheaper.
So either Americans are going to work for 2 dollars an hour to compete with Africa/Asia/Robots or Trump will have to undo globalization and turn back time.
Trade tariffs is not going to do anything because they don't solve the basic problem of American Labor being to expensive. It would mean prices would soar to compensate for the much much higher wage in the US and then the poor factory worker still cannot buy anything.
What betters deals can Trump, the great maker of deals, make that will bring back low skilled cheap labor to the US? He has no plan, like always.
On November 10 2016 08:59 Slaughter wrote: We all saw how effective the Occupy movement was.
youre still talking about it arent you? pretty effective id say
1 talk = 1 upvote? Making laws and appointing judges is effective, and it's not occupy who is going to make them for the next few years
This crappy slacktivism is why Trump governs now. The Evangelicals didn't care that Trump had like fifteen wives, they still turned out to vote.
ah right the great anti-trump occupy movement of 2011 failed to win "us" the election this year. the rust belt occupiers didnt get to the polls. complete failure of the slacktivists.
oh wait what you said had no connection to Occupy. nevermind.
The larger problem is a general pickiness about the candidate. Trump isn't even a conservative and still as it seems pretty much anybody fell in line, no matter if insanely religious or Libertarian. If you're in a conflict between two parties and the one side throws everything in you can't have academic debates about the DNC rigging almost up to the election. This was a luxury debate that should not have happened this election cycle. And the Democrats are at it again five seconds after the election has ended.
On November 10 2016 10:00 oneofthem wrote: this trump sellout to corporate interests is the foundation of how the dems can win this thing back in a hurry.
make the betrayal stick, and connect it to the bad consequences.
but the messenger has to be very strong on nationalist/culture credentials, or the focus will be on the culture aspect rather than the economic policies.
If the "sellout to corporate interests" turns out jobs its not a betrayal its just doing what they asked.
these corporate interests are for deregulating banking, higher drug prices, and less unions.
the deregulation and corporate tax slashing might help things quite a bit, but it's not a panacea for regional malaise.
On November 10 2016 10:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Besides Trump dismissing the reality of man-made climate change, are there any other scientific facts or scientific theories (e.g., evolution, the big bang, the age of the earth/ universe, gravity) that he rejects?
Usually, debate questions about scientific knowledge are coupled with religious questions (especially during Republican primaries, where zealous faith and anti-science abound), but Trump isn't religious and there wasn't really much talk about religion/ anti-science during this election iirc.
He has said that he thinks vaccines cause autism. He also has people like Pence and Carson in power who likely want to put stupid s*** like evolution in school books
I think you will want to rephrase that second sentence :p
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