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On October 01 2016 02:45 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:23 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 01 2016 02:19 oBlade wrote:On October 01 2016 00:55 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
(check out sex tape and past) Cheating sex on TV and driving the getaway car for an attempted murder. Trump's biggest episode of misogyny yet, what kind of monster would judge the winner of a beauty pageant's looks. Do you see how you took the bait? You didn't even bother to link anything supporting your feeble accusations. All this does is ensure that all the terrible things that Trump said about Machado stay in the news for another week. "Fat", "Miss Housekeeping", these are put downs that anyone can understand. You and Trump's shitlording of Machado will be your collective doom. You can't google it? This is a case of educate yourself, right? The Clinton campaign, and the wonderful media as you pointed out, think beauty pageant drama from 20 years ago is a national issue when the election is down to a little more than a month away - this is why the election will get snatched from them.
Trump's the one who has made it a media issue with his response. The Clinton campaign thinks it's a national issue that Trump is a petulant child running for the highest office.
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This is the same thing as the situation with the Khans where it would actually be a complete nonissue if Trump just let it go and didn't say anything, but because he decided to act like a total buffoon instead, people are actually starting to care.
Whether his initial set of actions was offensive in any way doesn't really matter, even though that's what everyone's actually going to argue about. What matters is that the man is literally losing sleep over even a minor sleight against his character. It reinforces the consistent line of attack that Trump does not have the temperament to calmly and rationally make decisions for the country when under pressure.
It's especially ironic when he's the candidate who's ostensibly representing the anti-PC crowd.
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On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist.
So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it.
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On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it.
Yes. It is. Don't insult a woman's looks, especially after she won already.
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On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it.
Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects
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On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects
Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context?
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On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context?
Sure it is. Just as much as outside of the contest, but yes. I find it hard to believe people here are having a hard time with this concept ...
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On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context?
Why would you publicly insult someone in a contest? Why is that ever ok or something that is excusable?
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On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context?
Here is a funny idea. Insulting people is not ok regardless of the context.
One can comment on the look of a person in a beauty contest, in a respectful manner.
Do you think 'Miss Piggy' is an acceptable comment?
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We are back to square one where everything is sexist and everything is racist. Good job, another word diluted to the point of being meaningless.
^ poster above, we already established that it was not nice and an asshole comment.
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On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context?
Yes, this isn't rocket science
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On October 01 2016 02:48 CannonsNCarriers wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:45 oBlade wrote:On October 01 2016 02:23 CannonsNCarriers wrote:On October 01 2016 02:19 oBlade wrote:Cheating sex on TV and driving the getaway car for an attempted murder. Trump's biggest episode of misogyny yet, what kind of monster would judge the winner of a beauty pageant's looks. Do you see how you took the bait? You didn't even bother to link anything supporting your feeble accusations. All this does is ensure that all the terrible things that Trump said about Machado stay in the news for another week. "Fat", "Miss Housekeeping", these are put downs that anyone can understand. You and Trump's shitlording of Machado will be your collective doom. You can't google it? This is a case of educate yourself, right? The Clinton campaign, and the wonderful media as you pointed out, think beauty pageant drama from 20 years ago is a national issue when the election is down to a little more than a month away - this is why the election will get snatched from them. The real reason you didn't link was because the links don't help. This has already been investigated and again, Trump is lying and taking you with him on his lies. MOSTLY FALSEShow nested quote +However, the so-called "sex tape" stemming from that incident is perhaps the tamest video ever to be so termed, consisting of nothing more than some grainy, night-vision footage of a couple of covered figures writhing in a bed. And reality television being what it is, the scene the tape depicts was quite possibly staged or fabricated.
Alicia Machado did pose topless for Playboy magazine, though. http://www.snopes.com/alicia-machado-adult-star/
I didn't say she was a porn star. I said she cheated on TV, which I rate as MOSTLY TRUE since she and her then-fiance split.
You people's problem is that because Trump is already 100% evil, it's impossible to realize anyone else has a hand in these tabloid grudges and feuds. Your go-to response should be "who cares?"
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On October 01 2016 02:59 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context? Yes, this isn't rocket science
I mean I'm not buying this insulting a bodybuilder for having too much fat is sexist. I'm totally on board with it being an asshole thing to do, particularly to a public venue if said in a rude way, but it's not sexist. At least not any more than these competitions and their viewers are in the first place.
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On October 01 2016 02:59 biology]major wrote:
We are back to square one where everything is sexist and everything is racist. Good job, another word diluted to the point of being meaningless.
^ poster above, we already established that it was not nice and an asshole comment.
You do know its not one thing that makes Trump Sexist, right? It is an overwhelming amount of evidence that he only judges women based on appearance and nothing else. And that he instantly insults their appearance if they say anything mean about him at all.
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On October 01 2016 02:50 TheYango wrote:
This is the same thing as the situation with the Khans where it would actually be a complete nonissue if Trump just let it go and didn't say anything, but because he decided to act like a total buffoon instead, people are actually starting to care.
Whether his initial set of actions was offensive in any way doesn't really matter, even though that's what everyone's actually going to argue about. What matters is that the man is literally losing sleep over even a minor sleight against his character.
Completely agreed, it's pointless to argue whether 'miss piggy' was offensive or not, that's an old and minor story that wouldn't have made a dent in his campaign if he could have just ignored that woman's comments. But he couldn't help himself.
And this brings me back to the 'international reputation' that some of his supporters brought up. How would President Trump react to being insulted by someone like Duterte as was Obama, would he take the high road or stoop to that level and go on an insecure twitter tirade?
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On October 01 2016 03:05 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:59 biology]major wrote:
We are back to square one where everything is sexist and everything is racist. Good job, another word diluted to the point of being meaningless.
^ poster above, we already established that it was not nice and an asshole comment. You do know its not one thing that makes Trump Sexist, right? It is an overwhelming amount of evidence that he only judges women based on appearance and nothing else. And that he instantly insults their appearance if they say anything mean about him at all.
He attacks people with the purpose of inflicting damage. Women get damaged when you comment on their looks, men get damaged when you comment on their energy or their height/stature/wealth. If you come at him, he will strike back and uses different tactics for different genders, so I guess you could technically say he is discriminating, but that is because he understands the effect of insults based on gender are different. Sexist!
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On October 01 2016 02:59 Nyxisto wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:56 Mohdoo wrote:On October 01 2016 02:53 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:51 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:48 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:45 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:43 Nyxisto wrote:On October 01 2016 02:37 biology]major wrote:On October 01 2016 02:35 TheDwf wrote:On October 01 2016 02:26 biology]major wrote:
How is critiquing a model for her weight misogyny? Are you seriously asking why calling a woman “Miss Piggy” is seen as sexist? I don't care what it's seen as by sensitive liberals, he isn't sexist because his attacks on men and women are equal. It is you who is sexist who considers women too weak to handle insults like "miss piggy." just call him what he is, an asshole. No, that means he's a sexist and an asshole, those things aren't mutually exclusive So what is the word when he insults a man? Is he only an asshole and not a sexist? If he had ever insulted a man for being a man then he'd also act sexist against men. He's never done this. You can also insult women without being a sexist. But reducing women to their looks or her menstrual periods is sexist. So insulting a women's looks in the context of a beauty pageant is sexist, got it. Sure, women who participate in beauty pageants are still people, not objects Then is it sexist to insult a man's looks in a bodybuilding context? Yes, this isn't rocket science
I perceive sexism to mean judging/insulting someone unfairly because of their sex. Assuming a woman is weak, over-emotional, etc. Insulting someone because of their looks, you could kind of argue, has nothing to do with gender. An ugly is an ugly. Since you can evaluate a man and a woman based on attractiveness in all the same ways, what makes judging looks sexist? I don't see what is sexist about it other than the qualities a woman is judged on are different than a man, simply because they are physiologically different. A man's chest can be criticized, but a man's chest is expected to look differently than a woman's. It's not sexist to judge a woman's chest differently. It's just that women's chests have different qualities. At the end of the day, it is judging looks, right?
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That Trump was so easily and severely triggered by such a minor comment is what really makes this so bad. Politicians and people in general insult others all the time, often stupidly, but if you react to a minor slight with a hissy fit you're the idiot here.
It would be like if I made a slightly unflattering comment towards one of the other posters here and they would write long posts trying to prove how terrible I am and spend pages upon pages holding a grudge. One person looks particularly stupid in that situation.
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On October 01 2016 03:07 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 02:50 TheYango wrote:
This is the same thing as the situation with the Khans where it would actually be a complete nonissue if Trump just let it go and didn't say anything, but because he decided to act like a total buffoon instead, people are actually starting to care.
Whether his initial set of actions was offensive in any way doesn't really matter, even though that's what everyone's actually going to argue about. What matters is that the man is literally losing sleep over even a minor sleight against his character. Completely agreed, it's pointless to argue whether 'miss piggy' was offensive or not, that's an old and minor story that wouldn't have made a dent in his campaign if he could have just ignored that woman's comments. But he couldn't help himself. And this brings me back to the 'international reputation' that some of his supporters brought up. How would President Trump react to being insulted by someone like Duterte as was Obama, would he take the high road or stoop to that level and go on an insecure twitter tirade?
Yeah he needed to just let it go, pretty sure Michigan had him up a point after the debate
Also Stealth posted net favorables several pages back, the tweet left one person out, Bernie would be on the top of the list with +18
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On October 01 2016 03:08 biology]major wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2016 03:05 Plansix wrote:On October 01 2016 02:59 biology]major wrote:
We are back to square one where everything is sexist and everything is racist. Good job, another word diluted to the point of being meaningless.
^ poster above, we already established that it was not nice and an asshole comment. You do know its not one thing that makes Trump Sexist, right? It is an overwhelming amount of evidence that he only judges women based on appearance and nothing else. And that he instantly insults their appearance if they say anything mean about him at all. He attacks people with the purpose of inflicting damage. Women get damaged when you comment on their looks, men get damaged when you comment on their energy or their height/stature/wealth. If you come at him, he will strike back and uses different tactics for different genders, so I guess you could technically say he is discriminating, but that is because he understands the effect of insults based on gender are different. Sexist!
Yep, that is sexism. When you devolve into a shit throwing and the only thing you can think of is to call insult a womans looks, you're sexist. And not that creative. But mostly sexist.
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