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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
September 30 2016 15:55 GMT
#105401


(check out sex tape and past)
posting on liquid sites in current year
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 30 2016 15:58 GMT
#105402
On October 01 2016 00:34 Nevuk wrote:







Ronald McDonald is going to be steaming with rage in debate #2 lol.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
September 30 2016 15:59 GMT
#105403
On October 01 2016 00:36 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 01 2016 00:26 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 01 2016 00:15 LegalLord wrote:
On September 30 2016 23:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On September 30 2016 23:43 farvacola wrote:
On September 30 2016 23:40 Mohdoo wrote:
On September 30 2016 23:35 Stratos_speAr wrote:
And xDaunt kept trying to tell us all summer about how Trump was actually a mastermind and was playing the Left like a fiddle this entire election...

I think for a lot of people, the idea that someone who really is just a crazy, insecure loudmouthed shithead winning their primary is a really big deal. It really can't be rectified in their mindset that there aren't legitimate problems with the party. The idea that Trump is a mastermind was the only way the existing view of the party could be somewhat intact.

I mean, it's a pretty devastating thing. People identify pretty strongly with their party. For certain communities, loyalty to the republican party is also often a family/community thing. People raised to be proud republicans, being told they are the heart of the country and all that stuff, may have a hard time coming to realize things are not nearly as they appeared. It forces someone to either significantly lower their view of their elder family members and community, or find another way to see the grass as green.

My law school graduating class this year is full to the brim with Republicans who are very honest about how devastating Trump's nomination is to their sense of politics. Thus far, it seems like Introvert is the only poster on here who matches up with that perspective, though I may be forgetting some.


LegalLord, although he's not that much of a conservative; more a contrarian, if I had to put a label to it.

I spend more time discussing the underrepresented parts of what I think about this race because there are already plenty of people willing to talk about it when Trump is buttfucking awful and when Hillary isn't, but few talking about the reverse. I usually don't have much to add to 20 Hillary fanboys singing her praise because they cover it well enough.

I'm left of center, "on average." Definitely not a Republican given the current state of the party.

Call it the effect of a cynical voter base, but Hillary's worst points are purely political issues that are well within expectations. Most people are going to hear those scandals and think "oh, look, a politician being a politician".

If Trump wasn't the opposition, I imagine this would be a standard boring election cycle with two candidates slinging the generic political mud at each other and barely anything sticking.

That said, it wouldn't take much of a "mainstream politician" to bury Hillary. Just someone who isn't blatantly incompetent on important issues of policy, such as Bernie "no FP experience except voting against Iraq" Sanders, and Donald "wtf is a nuclear triad i dont even" Trump.

Sad thing is, look at how hard it was to find anyone who wasn't blatantly incompetent.

Political aptitude is like the bare minimum requirement for running for Presidency, and somehow only one player on the field got over that line.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 30 2016 16:00 GMT
#105404
“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.
What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.
“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,”

haha, Trump and his whacky sex life that we can all laugh about
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2016 16:01 GMT
#105405
The thing with the hostesses getting fired, isn't that just standard procedure? I thought it is acceptable to fire/hire based on looks for certain positions. Isn't that the case for modeling?
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 30 2016 16:03 GMT
#105406
I'm kinda amused that Hillary has picked such a flawed and problematic vehicle to attack Trump with. I don't think that this is going to play as well as she wants.
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
September 30 2016 16:04 GMT
#105407
On October 01 2016 01:01 Mohdoo wrote:
The thing with the hostesses getting fired, isn't that just standard procedure? I thought it is acceptable to fire/hire based on looks for certain positions. Isn't that the case for modeling?


depends on the job title and exact position. "Models who serve guests" etc. can be judged based on looks. "hostess to greet and seat guests" probably cant.
I am, therefore I pee
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 30 2016 16:05 GMT
#105408
On October 01 2016 01:00 Grumbels wrote:
Show nested quote +
“Your fucking doctor has ruined me!” Trump cried.
What followed was a “violent assault,” according to Lost Tycoon. Donald held back Ivana’s arms and began to pull out fistfuls of hair from her scalp, as if to mirror the pain he felt from his own operation. He tore off her clothes and unzipped his pants.
“Then he jams his penis inside her for the first time in more than sixteen months. Ivana is terrified… It is a violent assault,”

haha, Trump and his whacky sex life that we can all laugh about

?! Don't see what's funny in reading the description of a rape...
Trainrunnef
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States601 Posts
September 30 2016 16:05 GMT
#105409
On October 01 2016 01:03 xDaunt wrote:
I'm kinda amused that Hillary has picked such a flawed and problematic vehicle to attack Trump with. I don't think that this is going to play as well as she wants.


Those aren't her directly no -H at the end. but yes I agree that its not the ideal challenge.
I am, therefore I pee
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2016 16:07 GMT
#105410
On October 01 2016 01:03 xDaunt wrote:
I'm kinda amused that Hillary has picked such a flawed and problematic vehicle to attack Trump with. I don't think that this is going to play as well as she wants.


As soon as he brought up the sex tape, everything changed. I really disagree that this is a bad line of attack. Only because of him bringing up the sex tape though. That was downright stupid. I don't think this will be Khan 2.0, but I expect some legitimate damage and airtime for this.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 30 2016 16:08 GMT
#105411
i expect on tuesday we'll hear pence talking about family values and kaine pointing out his running mate told the american people to watch a porno
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
September 30 2016 16:09 GMT
#105412
I would be interested to hear what the reasoning in support of Trump is at this point. But if it's "revolt against the establishment without regard to what happens after the election" or "teach America a lesson that it needs better candidates", I think those are dangerous gambles to the point of being indefensible.
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-09-30 16:13:57
September 30 2016 16:10 GMT
#105413
On October 01 2016 01:03 xDaunt wrote:
I'm kinda amused that Hillary has picked such a flawed and problematic vehicle to attack Trump with. I don't think that this is going to play as well as she wants.


Pretty sure it already has.

She's doing the exact same thing that happened with Khan; she set the stage, makes a few snarky comments here and there, and then lets Trump bury himself in stupidity and hubris.

If you think his comments are going to be anything but disastrous for his appeal to women, you are seriously out-of-touch. He had the time to partially rebound from the Khan debacle, but with the election 5 weeks away and the next debate in 10 days, he doesn't have a huge amount of time to side-step the issue, let it die, and play the unscripted media field to his advantage. He's going to get pressed on this really hard in the next debate, and unless he can miraculously make himself look better in the next one, it's only going to get worse.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
September 30 2016 16:10 GMT
#105414
At this point, anything that sticks is a good challenge. If you can't convince the voters to stop supporting an unqualified, lying businessmen not actually interested in the job but the title, try sexism. He is guilty of a lot more then that, but if Trump voters don't care...
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
September 30 2016 16:16 GMT
#105415
On October 01 2016 01:10 Broetchenholer wrote:
At this point, anything that sticks is a good challenge. If you can't convince the voters to stop supporting an unqualified, lying businessmen not actually interested in the job but the title, try sexism. He is guilty of a lot more then that, but if Trump voters don't care...


I think of it as a race for turnout. Trump definitely lost some voter turnout from Khan. I think he lost some from the first debate too. And now with this, another chunk is probably not going to be motivated enough to show up to vote.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
September 30 2016 16:19 GMT
#105416
https://www.instagram.com/p/BK-7u7Oj3L
Machado responds to Trump in espanol
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
September 30 2016 16:20 GMT
#105417
the best thing are the time stamps of the tweets. 3am and 5am. Donald Trump stays up the whole night to flame Miss Universe on twitter. It's like it's the only time where he can get to his phone unsupervised before his campaign managers lock him up again
Dan HH
Profile Joined July 2012
Romania9192 Posts
September 30 2016 16:20 GMT
#105418
He could have easily bounced back from the 1st debate, but this Khan v2 episode couldn't have come at a worse time for him.

Where's the 'bomb' about Hillary that Assange was hyping up all summer? Donnie better pray that wasn't bullshit, cause he's screwed without another Hillary scandal.
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
September 30 2016 16:24 GMT
#105419
On October 01 2016 01:20 Dan HH wrote:Where's the 'bomb' about Hillary that Assange was hyping up all summer? Donnie better pray that wasn't bullshit, cause he's screwed without another Hillary scandal.

There's still time. But frankly, I'm not sure that Trump needs any help at this point.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
September 30 2016 16:26 GMT
#105420
I'll give Hillary credit, it really looks like she was onto something with the whole Khan approach to making Trump suicide his own chances of winning.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
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