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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:02 GMT
#97261
The financial calamity of 2008 laid bare ugly problems in the global economic order. The mess has now festered into a political crisis that jeopardizes the link between market-driven economies and representative democracy.

So argues Martin Wolf, the most influential living British economics writer, in a Wednesday column for the Financial Times titled “Capitalism and Democracy: The Strain is Showing.” Fixing the economic norms most English-speaking people refer to as “capitalism,” Wolf argues, will be difficult. But a first step requires rethinking what elites have referred to for three decades as “free trade” or “globalization.”

“Those of us who wish to preserve both liberal democracy and global capitalism must confront serious questions,” Wolf writes. “One is whether it makes sense to promote further international agreements that tightly constrain national regulatory discretion in the interests of existing corporations. My view increasingly echoes that of Prof Lawrence Summers of Harvard, who has argued that ‘international agreements [should] be judged not by how much is harmonised or by how many barriers are torn down but whether citizens are empowered.’ Trade brings gains but cannot be pursued at all costs.”

The global economic order of the past three decades has privileged a few elites ― who have seen their incomes and political power expand ― at the expense of a far greater number of working people ― who have seen their incomes stagnate and their political influence wane. Global economic rules allow jobs to be offshored and capital to be reallocated in ways that do not benefit the vast majority of people who vote in elections. The idea that markets promoting individual choice are compatible with democratic forms of government has become an open question, according to Wolf.

These words are an intellectual assault on the Trans-Pacific Partnership and the Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership ― two major international pacts spearheaded by President Barack Obama. Public controversy surrounding TTIP is largely constrained within the European Union at the moment, but the TPP has become one of the most important issues of the 2016 U.S. presidential election ― though it rarely receives coverage on cable news.

The TPP is modeled on the North American Free Trade Agreement and World Trade Organization treaties that preceded it. The deal would grant corporations the right to challenge the laws and regulations of sovereign governments before a secretive international tribunal. Labor unions, environmental activists and other representatives of civil society would not be afforded the same privilege. The agreement is widely viewed as an effort to give multinational corporations greater influence over political decision-making.

Wolf and Summers are not revolutionaries armed with hammers and sickles. They are deeply respected by and embedded within the global economic elite, so much so that both are viewed with skepticism ― and in Summers’ case, often outright hostility ― by American progressives.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:08 GMT
#97262
Here we go....
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:15:13
August 31 2016 20:14 GMT
#97263
Nieto just said he and Trump agreed on how good NAFTA was for both nations...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
August 31 2016 20:18 GMT
#97264
On September 01 2016 05:01 Toadesstern wrote:
how often is it that people "joke" about shooting their political opponents in US politics oO

This cycle it has just been Trump and lepaige, who is like a poor man's Trump.

It has happened in the past though - mainly along the lines of the "wish I could duel you" notion.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:18 GMT
#97265
Oh snap... How is Trump going to respond to illegal weapons coming from the US...
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 31 2016 20:19 GMT
#97266
On September 01 2016 05:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Oh snap... How is Trump going to respond to illegal weapons coming from the US...

is there some stream to watch from outside the US?
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:20 GMT
#97267
Trump looks aggravated and confused all at the same time.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 31 2016 20:21 GMT
#97268
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2016 20:22 GMT
#97269
On September 01 2016 05:18 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Oh snap... How is Trump going to respond to illegal weapons coming from the US...

Yeah, that pesky gun problem that US companies are turning a healthy profit by selling arms right across the border from Mexico. Of course they are not directly doing it, but that is the magic of it all.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
August 31 2016 20:23 GMT
#97270
On September 01 2016 05:21 ticklishmusic wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pcI3pJQ5Ks

thx
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:24 GMT
#97271
He has no idea what he's doing. Surely he read Nieto's statements before coming on stage. He's reading his statement like a grade school kid.

This man is a joke.

Also he's proud if employing those if Mexican heritage that should go real well at the next rally.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:28:49
August 31 2016 20:27 GMT
#97272
Really cowardly speech from Nieto. You have a guy who has openly insults your citizens and called your nation an enemy just two years ago and you have nothing to say on that? I have no doubt his low favorabiliity ratings will drop even more.

Trump off to a nice intellectually dishonest start. I respect mexican americans? Deporting them (the ones with citizenship) sure shows that. Also showed that with the judge issue.
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6398 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:31:37
August 31 2016 20:29 GMT
#97273
On September 01 2016 05:24 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
He has no idea what he's doing. Surely he read Nieto's statements before coming on stage. He's reading his statement like a grade school kid.

This man is a joke.

Also he's proud if employing those if Mexican heritage that should go real well at the next rally.

He's been saying that forever.

On September 01 2016 05:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Really cowardly speech from Nieto. You have a guy who has openly insults your citizens and called your nation an enemy just two years ago and you have nothing to say on that? I have no doubt his low favorabiliity ratings will drop even more.

Trump off to a nice intellectually dishonest start. I respect mexican americans? Deporting them (the ones with citizenship) sure shows that. Also showed that with the judge issue.

Deporting US citizens, where do you get your news? That's a caricature.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:30:57
August 31 2016 20:30 GMT
#97274
It was a Lose/lose for both. And nothing will stop Nieto from leaking anything to the Mexican press after Trump leaves.

Also Trump is now advocating a wage increase, and manufacturing staying in the Hemisphere. So much for bring them back to the US.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 31 2016 20:31 GMT
#97275
And now the Press is eating him alive.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 31 2016 20:32 GMT
#97276
that speech was, well, boring. not usually a word i'd use to describe trump.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:35:13
August 31 2016 20:34 GMT
#97277
And this is why Trump's camo was probably against the idea of allowing the press to ask questions:

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2016 20:35 GMT
#97278
On September 01 2016 05:27 On_Slaught wrote:
Really cowardly speech from Nieto. You have a guy who has openly insults your citizens and called your nation an enemy just two years ago and you have nothing to say on that? I have no doubt his low favorabiliity ratings will drop even more.

Trump off to a nice intellectually dishonest start. I respect mexican americans? Deporting them (the ones with citizenship) sure shows that. Also showed that with the judge issue.

Nieto doesn’t want to make headlines out of this or take the focus off of Trump. It would be Trumps dream to eat up the news cycle with a public fight with Nieto. There is nothing cowardly about it, its just smart politics. Don’t do what Trump would like him to do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-31 20:36:45
August 31 2016 20:36 GMT
#97279
[B]On September 01 2016 05:29 oBlade wrote:
Deporting US citizens, where do you get your news? That's a caricature.


It's common knowledge he said he wants to deport families. When asked about children who were legally born here he said he wants to keep families together, but they have to go.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2016 20:37 GMT
#97280
On September 01 2016 05:36 On_Slaught wrote:
Show nested quote +
[B]On September 01 2016 05:29 oBlade wrote:
Deporting US citizens, where do you get your news? That's a caricature.


It's common knowledge he said he wants to deport families. When asked about children who were legally born here he said he wants to keep families together, but they have to go.

Did you just ask Oblade if he has selective memory on Trump’s policies? Does the sun rise every day?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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