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On August 23 2016 05:25 Doodsmack wrote:
Yes if we all agree that Trump is sexist, the argument is basically moot. If people don't agree that Trump on the whole uses different language with males and females, they need to look at examples, of which "mess" is just one.
You're a mess.
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There are plenty of reasons and things he has said that one could point to as proof he is sexist, but using the word 'mess' when describing a woman isn't one.
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On August 23 2016 05:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Reminder of what this debate is about On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point Nah, it's not white-knight trolling. It's just more of the same liberal shitposting that has been his hallmark since he started posting around here. When I talk about the differences in moderation between left and right points of view in this thread, he's Exhibit 1.
You should peruse your buddy's use of the word "retarded".
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On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally. Unless you're Russian.  Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack?
I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him.
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On August 23 2016 05:27 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Reminder of what this debate is about On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point Nah, it's not white-knight trolling. It's just more of the same liberal shitposting that has been his hallmark since he started posting around here. When I talk about the differences in moderation between left and right points of view in this thread, he's Exhibit 1. You should peruse your buddy's use of the word "retarded".
I'd say continuously insisting something to be the case when no intelligent person would agree with you and when multiple sources have disproven you is a pretty good example of how to actually 'act retarded'
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On August 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally. Unless you're Russian. Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack? I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him.
You may have noticed I already agreed on your judgement of him, which I would call hardly "defending him".
But go on.
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On August 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote:"He's with a pile of makeup putting it on his face, I said Marco, easy with the makeup, you don't need that much. You know the story with Marco. I watched Marco with this man [Christie]. Where Marco, he was right over here I asked him I said are you okay? He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess."
Trump said Rubio was putting makeup on with a "trowel."
"He's a nervous Nellie," Trump claimed. "I watched him backstage, he's a mess, the guy's a total mess. I joked recently, could you imagine Putin sitting there waiting for a meeting, and Rubio walks in and he's totally drenched? I don't know what it is but I have never seen a human being sweat like this man sweats." Oh my god can you link the source I don't believe you That can't be true because Doodsmack is so sure he doesn't call males 'a mess' He only calls females a mess because of sexism
I was wondering if you could do me a favor. Go to this page:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=1
Press ctrl+f, search for "mess", and tell me your result.
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On August 23 2016 05:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Does there really need to be a debate over whether or not "mess" is used sexistly? There are plenty of other examples of Trump being sexist, that one hardly needs to focus on the "mess" comments and can just look at the dozens of other things he's said and done. Surely it's been firmly established that Trump is sexist by now. This is correct. There are any number of other examples that liberals could use to paint Trump as a sexist (and they'd still be wrong, but that's besides the point). This "she's a mess" business is absolutely retarded.
Why do you focus on liberals in your statement? Plenty of conservatives and independents have repeatedly said that Trump is sexist, racist, and otherwise bigoted. And he is. The debate over whether or not he is has looong been decided.
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Whether or not Trump is sexist will not be qualified based upon his use of the word mess. Really stupid topic of discussion to get caught up on.
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On August 23 2016 05:24 oBlade wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote:"He's with a pile of makeup putting it on his face, I said Marco, easy with the makeup, you don't need that much. You know the story with Marco. I watched Marco with this man [Christie]. Where Marco, he was right over here I asked him I said are you okay? He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess."
Trump said Rubio was putting makeup on with a "trowel."
"He's a nervous Nellie," Trump claimed. "I watched him backstage, he's a mess, the guy's a total mess. I joked recently, could you imagine Putin sitting there waiting for a meeting, and Rubio walks in and he's totally drenched? I don't know what it is but I have never seen a human being sweat like this man sweats." Oh my god can you link the source I don't believe you That can't be true because Doodsmack is so sure he doesn't call males 'a mess' He only calls females a mess because of sexism It's here: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-marco-rubio-sweaty-2016-2Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:22 Doodsmack wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote:"He's with a pile of makeup putting it on his face, I said Marco, easy with the makeup, you don't need that much. You know the story with Marco. I watched Marco with this man [Christie]. Where Marco, he was right over here I asked him I said are you okay? He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess."
Trump said Rubio was putting makeup on with a "trowel."
"He's a nervous Nellie," Trump claimed. "I watched him backstage, he's a mess, the guy's a total mess. I joked recently, could you imagine Putin sitting there waiting for a meeting, and Rubio walks in and he's totally drenched? I don't know what it is but I have never seen a human being sweat like this man sweats." There he did use the word mess, but he's also talking about something very specific - Rubio being drenched in sweat. "He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess." Trump is only talking about Rubio's sweat here, not Rubio as a person. So he was explicitly insulting the appearance of a man running for president.
Insulting his appearance in limited circumstances.
And you're also someone who defends Trump's "blood" comment, for the record.
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On August 23 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:26 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Does there really need to be a debate over whether or not "mess" is used sexistly? There are plenty of other examples of Trump being sexist, that one hardly needs to focus on the "mess" comments and can just look at the dozens of other things he's said and done. Surely it's been firmly established that Trump is sexist by now. This is correct. There are any number of other examples that liberals could use to paint Trump as a sexist (and they'd still be wrong, but that's besides the point). This "she's a mess" business is absolutely retarded. Why do you focus on liberals in your statement? Plenty of conservatives and independents have repeatedly said that Trump is sexist, racist, and otherwise bigoted. And he is. The debate over whether or not he is has looong been decided.
Eh, fair point. I could certainly broaden the brush.
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On August 23 2016 05:28 mahrgell wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally. Unless you're Russian. Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack? I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him. You may have noticed I already agreed on your judgement of him, which I would call hardly "defending him". But go on.
I think it's funny how if some alt-right guy comes in this thread posting nonsense when everyone jumps on his bullshit, none of the right-oriented posters speak up to defend him. Bullshit is bullshit and there's no need to.
But it seems like when a regressive-left guy like doodsmack starts spreading nonsense, if you try to call him out on it the cavalry comes because left sticks together even if it's just retarded
No one should be defending Doodsmack's argument here yet so many of you are fighting against the shitstorm he's getting. He said something ridiculous. He got called out on it and refused to acknowledge he was wrong.
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On August 23 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:26 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Does there really need to be a debate over whether or not "mess" is used sexistly? There are plenty of other examples of Trump being sexist, that one hardly needs to focus on the "mess" comments and can just look at the dozens of other things he's said and done. Surely it's been firmly established that Trump is sexist by now. This is correct. There are any number of other examples that liberals could use to paint Trump as a sexist (and they'd still be wrong, but that's besides the point). This "she's a mess" business is absolutely retarded. Why do you focus on liberals in your statement? Plenty of conservatives and independents have repeatedly said that Trump is sexist, racist, and otherwise bigoted. And he is. The debate over whether or not he is has looong been decided.
But if we debate whether or not someone is sexist/racist/bigoted forever, then it can never be true.
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On August 23 2016 05:29 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:26 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Does there really need to be a debate over whether or not "mess" is used sexistly? There are plenty of other examples of Trump being sexist, that one hardly needs to focus on the "mess" comments and can just look at the dozens of other things he's said and done. Surely it's been firmly established that Trump is sexist by now. This is correct. There are any number of other examples that liberals could use to paint Trump as a sexist (and they'd still be wrong, but that's besides the point). This "she's a mess" business is absolutely retarded. Why do you focus on liberals in your statement? Plenty of conservatives and independents have repeatedly said that Trump is sexist, racist, and otherwise bigoted. And he is. The debate over whether or not he is has looong been decided.
Even the super-liberal definitely not conservative The Telegraph had a looooong tracker of his sexist comments
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/donald-trump-sexism-tracker-every-offensive-comment-in-one-place/
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On August 23 2016 05:26 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Does there really need to be a debate over whether or not "mess" is used sexistly? There are plenty of other examples of Trump being sexist, that one hardly needs to focus on the "mess" comments and can just look at the dozens of other things he's said and done. Surely it's been firmly established that Trump is sexist by now. This is correct. There are any number of other examples that liberals could use to paint Trump as a sexist ( and they'd still be wrong, but that's besides the point). This "she's a mess" business is absolutely retarded.
This post of yours won't win any honesty awards but I'm glad you included the "shitpost" red flag "retarded".
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On August 23 2016 05:31 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:28 mahrgell wrote:On August 23 2016 05:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:26 mahrgell wrote:On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally. Unless you're Russian. Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is You know that your insistence on this "victory" makes you look pretty much the same as doodsmack? I'd argue your defense of him makes you look like him. You may have noticed I already agreed on your judgement of him, which I would call hardly "defending him". But go on. I think it's funny how if some alt-right guy comes in this thread posting nonsense when everyone jumps on his bullshit, none of the right-oriented posters speak up to defend him. Bullshit is bullshit and there's no need to. But it seems like when a regressive-left guy like doodsmack starts spreading nonsense, if you try to call him out on it the cavalry comes because left sticks together even if it's just retarded
There are really not that many people defending Doom. And plenty of people defend the conspiracy theory non-sense posted by some of our alt-right regulars.
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weeeooooweeeooooo its the language police here to judge people for their use of language
hide your retards hide your (gendered use of) messes
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I'm never giving up my use of the word "retard." I've all but abandoned "gay," but "retard" is going to be my Alamo. NOT ANOTHER INCH SHALL BE GIVEN!
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On August 23 2016 05:30 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:24 oBlade wrote:On August 23 2016 05:21 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote:"He's with a pile of makeup putting it on his face, I said Marco, easy with the makeup, you don't need that much. You know the story with Marco. I watched Marco with this man [Christie]. Where Marco, he was right over here I asked him I said are you okay? He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess."
Trump said Rubio was putting makeup on with a "trowel."
"He's a nervous Nellie," Trump claimed. "I watched him backstage, he's a mess, the guy's a total mess. I joked recently, could you imagine Putin sitting there waiting for a meeting, and Rubio walks in and he's totally drenched? I don't know what it is but I have never seen a human being sweat like this man sweats." Oh my god can you link the source I don't believe you That can't be true because Doodsmack is so sure he doesn't call males 'a mess' He only calls females a mess because of sexism It's here: http://www.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-marco-rubio-sweaty-2016-2On August 23 2016 05:22 Doodsmack wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 oBlade wrote:"He's with a pile of makeup putting it on his face, I said Marco, easy with the makeup, you don't need that much. You know the story with Marco. I watched Marco with this man [Christie]. Where Marco, he was right over here I asked him I said are you okay? He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess."
Trump said Rubio was putting makeup on with a "trowel."
"He's a nervous Nellie," Trump claimed. "I watched him backstage, he's a mess, the guy's a total mess. I joked recently, could you imagine Putin sitting there waiting for a meeting, and Rubio walks in and he's totally drenched? I don't know what it is but I have never seen a human being sweat like this man sweats." There he did use the word mess, but he's also talking about something very specific - Rubio being drenched in sweat. "He looked like he just came out of a swimming pool. He was a mess." Trump is only talking about Rubio's sweat here, not Rubio as a person. So he was explicitly insulting the appearance of a man running for president. Insulting his appearance in limited circumstances. And you're also someone who defends Trump's "blood" comment, for the record.
I see you saying "limited circumstances" to skirt around admitting that it's not sexist to insult a man's appearance. But he was insulting him for being a nervous wreck.
I don't care about any blood comment, if your goal was to shame me. Right after he said it about Megyn Kelly's eyes, he said it about Chris Wallace's eyes. That was like a year ago. The country has a $20 trillion debt and this is what bothers you.
On August 23 2016 05:29 CobaltBlu wrote:
Whether or not Trump is sexist will not be qualified based upon his use of the word mess. Really stupid topic of discussion to get caught up on.
These are the big issues.
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