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. Keep relying on mashup videos from r/The_Donald where they put together clips to form "Jeb is a mess" and "Jeb is a waste". I did see you acknowledge that Trump says sexist things, so maybe you ultimately agree.
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
. Keep relying on mashup videos from r/The_Donald where they put together clips to form "Jeb is a mess" and "Jeb is a waste". I did see you acknowledge that Trump says sexist things, so maybe you ultimately agree. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 23 2016 04:50 KwarK wrote: No argument from me there. Where MRAs lose me is not that gender relations are far more complicated than men privileged/women oppressed but rather that they seem to use that only as a way of distracting away from issues feminists talk about to maintain the status quo. If MRAs were actually talking about fucked up gender roles and expectations from a male perspective and trying to change how society views gender they'd be allied with feminists against conventional society. It sucks. Genuine example of female privilege, men don't have a good movement to talk about this shit and not enough of a voice within the movement that exists. The existence of the MRA “movement” as an opposition to feminism is really frustrating because there are some many harmful parts with male gender roles. But it is so difficult to discuss those without running into to some MRA clown who twists the discussion into how feminism is invalid. Or being lumped in with that garbage fire of a movement. | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
On August 23 2016 04:49 GGTeMpLaR wrote: Yea I'll google 'jeb is a mess' or 'ted is a mess' It's hard to find an isolated source all I can find are meme videos because it's been used so often by Trump in reference to males. Hence why I find it so stupid that you think it's an instance of sexism. This has been around for months and the second he calls a female a 'mess' it's now sexism according to you? white knighting 101 That's the role of identity politics: the leading candidate for president of the US is a member, through birth, of an oppressed class, so any insult, like calling her a mess, must be motivated as a bigoted attack on that identity and is an electoral issue. But calling the opponent an orange clown is justified because he's a big bully. Different rules for you and a convenient shield for me. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On August 23 2016 04:52 GGTeMpLaR wrote: That's fair. I just think the issue is with how often people have made things into issues of sexism/racism that are not actually issues of sexism of racism. It's diluted the meaning of the term so much that you can't really blame people for having such a skeptical knee-jerk reaction to it at this point. You bullshit cry wolf enough times and people just stop believing it. It's a real problem because when the wolf actually shows up, people have been conditioned to be so jaded about it that it doesn't get the proper response it deserves. perfect example is Doodsmack crying 'sexism' over Trump calling someone a mess because they happen to be a woman when he's used that as a means to insult males for months now Agreed. I would just also point out that exaggeration is actually a very well documented thing as it relates to distressed people describing their experiences. Most research I know of is applied to medical conditions, where patients will exaggerate their symptoms in an attempt to try and get the other person to understand what they are going through or to try and convey how much of an impact it is having on them. I imagine the same applies to minorities when describing their experiences. The two feed off each other in a way, one party downplays it because the other is clearly exaggerating or crying wolf; yet the reason that party is exaggerating is because they otherwise aren't taken seriously. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:02 oBlade wrote: That's the role of identity politics: the leading candidate for president of the US is a member, through birth, of an oppressed class, so any insult, like calling her a mess, must be motivated as a bigoted attack on that identity and is an electoral issue. But calling the opponent an orange clown is justified because he's a big bully. Different rules for you and a convenient shield for me. Right because I'm using this "mess" example (which he did not say about Cruz or Bush, despite Templar having difficulty admitting he's wrong) in isolation, rather than referring to a pattern. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:00 Doodsmack wrote: I guess when you're wrong that's a good fallback . Keep relying on mashup videos from r/The_Donald where they put together clips to form "Jeb is a mess" and "Jeb is a waste". http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0 ctrl+f 'mess' You're an idiot who keeps spouting blatantly false statements because you can't admit you were wrong | ||
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oBlade
United States5294 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:05 Doodsmack wrote: Right because I'm using this "mess" example (which he did not say about Cruz or Bush) in isolation, rather than referring to a pattern. Your pattern is you went to an archery range and found an arrow stuck in one target and said "This is sexism" because you want it to be instead of noticing that the archer shoots thousands of arrows all over the place. More sexism, this time against Egypt: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
I think that ship has sailed, though, and it's more important to focus on why his behavior continues to show ineptitude and lack of control (tweeting an insult the day after a new hire for your campaign said you don't insult people, for example) rather than nastyness. He did manage to set back the anti-"PC" movement decades, though, by actually being someone who uses that excuse to say awful things. It'll never shake the Trump banner which is a shame because it wasn't actually purely an excuse to say awful things. On August 23 2016 05:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0 ctrl+f 'mess' You're an idiot who keeps spouting blatantly false statements because you can't admit you were wrong Did you control+F mess yourself there? Because there's 10 results, and only one of them applies to a person and not a situation, and that only refers to a woman. | ||
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Kickstart
United States1941 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:09 oBlade wrote: Your pattern is you went to an archery range and found an arrow stuck in one target and said "This is sexism" because you want it to be instead of noticing that the archer shoots thousands of arrows all over the place. A surprisingly accurate and amusing description. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:11 TheTenthDoc wrote: Trump's an utterly nasty person at times. So nasty that it's become an insulating blanket of any accusation of -ism, which I find pretty fascinating. You can always say-"Oh, but look at him insulting this person with 0 tact as well" as if that makes him any less of a nasty person. I think that ship has sailed, though, and it's more important to focus on why his behavior continues to show ineptitude and lack of control (tweeting an insult the day after a new hire for your campaign said you don't insult people, for example) rather than nastyness. He did manage to set back the anti-"PC" movement decades, though, by actually being someone who uses that excuse to say awful things. It'll never shake the Trump banner which is a shame because it wasn't actually purely an excuse to say awful things. So do you actually think him calling a woman 'a mess' is an instance of sexism? | ||
KwarK
United States41988 Posts
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:08 GGTeMpLaR wrote: http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/01/28/upshot/donald-trump-twitter-insults.html?_r=0 ctrl+f 'mess' You're an idiot who keeps spouting blatantly false statements because you can't admit you were wrong LOL still digging that hole, huh? Just say "ctrl+f" and hope we don't actually do that and see that he doesn't call any male a mess on that page? | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:13 GGTeMpLaR wrote: So do you actually think him calling a woman 'a mess' is an instance of sexism? I'm pretty sure I've always been one of the advocates of not letting people dredge -isms into the Trump debate because it gives people fodder to wallow in details instead of just agreeing about his nasty stupidity. The mess comment isn't all that sexist, just silly. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:09 oBlade wrote: Your pattern is you went to an archery range and found an arrow stuck in one target and said "This is sexism" because you want it to be instead of noticing that the archer shoots thousands of arrows all over the place. More sexism, this time against Egypt: + Show Spoiler + That's a cool straw man but as you know, the pattern is him using different language with males and females, not him being generally insulting (which he is to both males and females). And as you know, calling countries a mess is outside the scope of my argument. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:14 Doodsmack wrote: LOL still digging that hole, huh? Just say "ctrl+f" and hope we don't actually do that and see that he doesn't call any male a mess on that page? Scott Walker is a male. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
He called the state a mess, not Walker. Unless you think he also said Walker had a personal deficit and bad jobs forecast. (here's the full link, FYI. Do better about reading your own material, you're better than Trump I think in that respect) | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On August 23 2016 05:14 Doodsmack wrote: LOL still digging that hole, huh? Just say "ctrl+f" and hope we don't actually do that and see that he doesn't call any male a mess on that page? pretty sure you're alone here in thinking calling a few women messes is definitively good evidence for his sexism here which im not even denying exists | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote: Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
Try again, bud. This is pretty funny though. "When people find out how bad a job Scott Walker has done in WI, they won’t be voting for him. Massive deficit, bad jobs forecast, a mess." - D. Trump, 7/27/15 Do you also claim Trump called Scott Walker a massive deficit? | ||
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