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On August 23 2016 05:25 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:23 On_Slaught wrote:Man, are we really having a discussion about whether a mess is sexist? Let's all just agree he acts like a piece of shit to all people equally. Unless you're Russian.  Glad you agree it isn't sexist and it's fucking retarded for doodsmack to assert it is
I don't think it's sexist no. He has said some sexist things though, so I definitely wouldn't hitch my ride to "mess."
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The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.”
Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory.
I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims.
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This is one of those warnings that really shouldn't be necessary. Also don't go to North Korea and try to promote religion or tell them that South Korea is dope as fuck.
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Yea really....what has changed? Iran was pulling that shit before and will continue to do so after. Would still be doing it without a deal.
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On August 23 2016 05:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Reminder of what this debate is about On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point Nah, it's not white-knight trolling. It's just more of the same liberal shitposting that has been his hallmark since he started posting around here. When I talk about the differences in moderation between left and right points of view in this thread, he's Exhibit 1.
Erm, this whole exchange has been happening in the past two hours, and you're upset about no moderating action yet? I was actually in the process of warning doodsmack for his posts because firstly he's harping on something completely irrelevant and secondly it seems like he's trolling, but now I feel that your post accusing moderators of bias based on nobody acting on anything during a 2 hour period is equally as offensive. 
Edit: From looking at the transcript for the 9th debate which is what is used in the meme, I can't find any 'jeb bush is a mess', so for what it's worth, he's right about the video being a mashup. ;p
What right wing posters have been unfairly moderated against btw? You can answer in a PM.
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On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims.
So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans
March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.html
January 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.html
August 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.html
Yet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained.
How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me.
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On August 23 2016 07:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Reminder of what this debate is about On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point Nah, it's not white-knight trolling. It's just more of the same liberal shitposting that has been his hallmark since he started posting around here. When I talk about the differences in moderation between left and right points of view in this thread, he's Exhibit 1. Erm, this whole exchange has been happening in the past two hours, and you're upset about no moderating action yet? I was actually in the process of warning doodsmack for his posts because firstly he's harping on something completely irrelevant and secondly it seems like he's trolling, but now I feel that your post accusing moderators of bias based on nobody acting on anything during a 2 hour period is equally as offensive. What right wing posters have been unfairly moderated against btw? You can answer in a PM.
In fairness, I think that my accusation is far more severe than just a failure to act in a two-hour period. I left some very pointed and specific posts in the website feedback thread if you want to look at those. Keep in mind that I've been participating in these threads for the better part of a decade. I have seen a lot of posters come and go, and mods have been far more thorough at culling the right wing/conservative voices in this thread (and sometimes with good reason). All that I'd really like to see is some balance in how the rules are applied. And let's just cut right to the point: the shittiness in the tone that pervades this thread comes predominantly from liberal/left-wing posters, yet it's basically never addressed.
For what it's worth, I prefer it when the mods stay out of this thread. I've probably reported somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-10 posts total from this thread in all of the years that I have been here, which is pretty damned impressive considering the amount of incoming that I deal with.
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On August 23 2016 07:31 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:07 Liquid`Drone wrote:On August 23 2016 05:21 xDaunt wrote:On August 23 2016 05:18 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Reminder of what this debate is about On August 23 2016 04:10 Doodsmack wrote:
Just this morning he called a female a "mess", which we could pretend is neutral but then we're faced with the fact that he doesn't use that kind of language with males. I have linked multiple sources refuting this statement. I think even if Trump had never called anyone a mess before, him calling a woman a mess now is in no way shape or form an indication of 'sexism'. Doodsmack is literally just white-knight trolling at this point Nah, it's not white-knight trolling. It's just more of the same liberal shitposting that has been his hallmark since he started posting around here. When I talk about the differences in moderation between left and right points of view in this thread, he's Exhibit 1. Erm, this whole exchange has been happening in the past two hours, and you're upset about no moderating action yet? I was actually in the process of warning doodsmack for his posts because firstly he's harping on something completely irrelevant and secondly it seems like he's trolling, but now I feel that your post accusing moderators of bias based on nobody acting on anything during a 2 hour period is equally as offensive. What right wing posters have been unfairly moderated against btw? You can answer in a PM. In fairness, I think that my accusation is far more severe than just a failure to act in a two-hour period. I left some very pointed and specific posts in the website feedback thread if you want to look at those. Keep in mind that I've been participating in these threads for the better part of a decade. I have seen a lot of posters come and go, and mods have been far more thorough at culling the right wing/conservative voices in this thread (and sometimes with good reason). All that I'd really like to see is some balance in how the rules are applied. And let's just cut right to the point: the shittiness in the tone that pervades this thread comes predominantly from liberal/left-wing posters, yet it's basically never addressed. For what it's worth, I prefer it when the mods stay out of this thread. I've probably reported somewhere in the neighborhood of 6-10 posts total from this thread in all of the years that I have been here, which is pretty damned impressive considering the amount of incoming that I deal with.
something something glass houses and stones.
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On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me.
Both Iran and the U.S. agree that the money was owed by the U.S. to Iran. For some reason this is a fact that the Free Bacon chose not to report. It's a little surprising as with a name like that you'd think they'd avoid telling pork pies.
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This entire discussion about moderation is probably better for the feedback thread, considering that it's an active discussion within it right now.
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On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak.
No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama.
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On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama.
I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back.
I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment.
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On August 23 2016 07:57 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back. I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment.
If there is one thing we've learned in the last month, it's that everything is Obama's fault. Even if he had to go back in time to do it.
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On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama.
If I am paying a ransom with your money that I already had to give back to you anyway then I am the best negotiator ever.
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On August 23 2016 08:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:57 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back. I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment. If there is one thing we've learned in the last month, it's that everything is Obama's fault. Even if he had to go back in time to do it.
I have witnessed people blame TARP and Katrina on him in the past month. Live, in person. I am sure someone could blame the existence of Iran on him as well.
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On August 23 2016 08:22 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. If I am paying a ransom with your money that I already had to give back to you anyway then I am the best negotiator ever.
Best negotiator ever? Agreed... Sounds like Trump should be jealous of Obama.
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On August 23 2016 08:24 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 08:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 23 2016 07:57 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back. I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment. If there is one thing we've learned in the last month, it's that everything is Obama's fault. Even if he had to go back in time to do it. I have witnessed people blame TARP and Katrina on him in the past month. Live, in person. I am sure someone could blame the existence of Iran on him as well.
Katrina the disaster cleanup/recovery or Katrina the hurricane?
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On August 23 2016 08:29 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 08:24 Plansix wrote:On August 23 2016 08:02 WolfintheSheep wrote:On August 23 2016 07:57 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back. I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment. If there is one thing we've learned in the last month, it's that everything is Obama's fault. Even if he had to go back in time to do it. I have witnessed people blame TARP and Katrina on him in the past month. Live, in person. I am sure someone could blame the existence of Iran on him as well. Katrina the disaster cleanup/recovery or Katrina the hurricane?
The quote was "After Katrina was a disaster", so I assume the clean up. He also blamed the "bank bail that gave away money to banks." This is why I never drink with my brothers military friends.
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On August 23 2016 07:57 Dan HH wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. I'm not looking to reignite the ransom debate that was beaten to a pulp some pages back. I'm only pointing out how disingenous that article is in implying those parts of the Iran travel advisory are new developments, even hinting it might be a consequence of the payment.
Noted they didn't mention past travel advisories, which they should have, and the impact of the alleged ransom on this issue.
On August 23 2016 08:22 Adreme wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2016 07:47 Danglars wrote:On August 23 2016 07:17 Dan HH wrote:On August 23 2016 06:53 Danglars wrote:The State Department issued a warning on Monday urging U.S. citizens to avoid traveling to Iran, which has made the detention of Americans a priority.
The latest travel advisory, which emphasizes Iran’s desire to capture U.S. citizens, comes on the heels of a growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million in cash on the same day that it freed several U.S. hostages.
The payment has been cast by lawmakers and others as a ransom payment and prompted concern among U.S. officials that Iran is making arresting Americans a priority.
The travel warning is meant to “highlight the risk of arrest and detention of U.S. citizens, particularly dual national Iranian-Americans,” according to a State Department announcement on Monday. “Foreigners, in particular dual nationals of Iran and Western countries including the United States, continue to be detained or prevented from leaving Iran.”
“U.S. citizens traveling to Iran should very carefully weigh the risks of travel and consider postponing their travel,” the warning adds. “U.S. citizens residing in Iran should closely follow media reports, monitor local conditions, and evaluate the risks of remaining in the country.”
Iran continues to imprison Americans, particularly those holding dual Iranian citizenship, according to the State Department.
“Iranian authorities have detained and harassed U.S. citizens, particularly those of Iranian origin,” the travel warning states. “Former Muslims who have converted to other religions, religious activists, and persons who encourage Muslims to convert are subject to arrest and prosecution.”
The Obama administration expressed particular concern about commercial airlines doing business with Iran. This warning comes as American companies such as Boeing continue to pursue million-dollar business deals with the Islamic Republic.
“The U.S. government is concerned about the risks to civil aircraft operating into, out of, within, or over Iran due to hazards from military activity associated with the conflicts in Iraq and Syria,” the warning states. “The FAA has advised U.S. civil aviation to exercise caution when flying into, out of, within, or over the airspace over Iran.”
The warning emphasizes that “the U.S. government’s ability to assist U.S. citizens in Iran in the event of an emergency is extremely limited.” Washington Free Beacon reporting on a State Department travel advisory. I only hope the next president takes Iran seriously in regards to their conduct and aims. So just like in the previous versions of the Iran travel advisory, which warn of the risks for Iranian-Americans March 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160719233825/https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlJanuary 2016: https://web.archive.org/web/20160216040723/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlAugust 2015: https://web.archive.org/web/20151008041647/http://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/alertswarnings/iran-travel-warning.htmlYet this Free Bacon is trying to tie it in with the 'growing scandal over the Obama administration’s decision to pay Iran $400 million', implying it made it more likely to get detained. How TLers keep finding these sources astonishes me. Comply by the terms of these inspections and nukes and we'll let you get them in a decade ... but we're fine doing business if you keep imprisoning American citizens at sea and in the country. Hell, we'll pay their ransom. And spin spin spin away the flak. No, I'm not arguing it was perfectly fine to travel there before Obama. If I am paying a ransom with your money that I already had to give back to you anyway then I am the best negotiator ever.
I might be in Dan's Camp with refreshing why the same two stances believe the way they do, and the counterarguments both propose with varying levels of good faith.
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