• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:32
CEST 15:32
KST 22:32
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy9[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple2BSL Season 236Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool How do you feel about the StarCraft shooter announcement at BlizzCon 2026? The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament 2026 GSTL Announcement RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion NaDa's Body BSL Season 23 screpdb: new Starcraft reporting tool an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 2 [ASL22] Ro16 Group D [ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [IPSL] IPSL is Back With Winter 26-27!
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Diablo IV Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8282 users

US Politics Mega-thread - Page 4519

Forum Index > Closed
Post a Reply
Prev 1 4517 4518 4519 4520 4521 10093 Next
Read the rules in the OP before posting, please.

In order to ensure that this thread continues to meet TL standards and follows the proper guidelines, we will be enforcing the rules in the OP more strictly. Be sure to give them a re-read to refresh your memory! The vast majority of you are contributing in a healthy way, keep it up!

NOTE: When providing a source, explain why you feel it is relevant and what purpose it adds to the discussion if it's not obvious.
Also take note that unsubstantiated tweets/posts meant only to rekindle old arguments can result in a mod action.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 16:40:44
July 27 2016 16:36 GMT
#90361
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.

edit: Actually I'm sure a few Democrat voters have watched the primary debates but I'd love to see reporters go out on the street and find people that know something about Hillary's platform other than 'I'm a woman and I'm not Trump'.
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
July 27 2016 16:38 GMT
#90362
On July 28 2016 01:35 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...

We were talking about NATO.
It didn't exist until after WW2.

Please try again to tho. Your worth a good laugh.

Do you know why NATO was created? As in, the events that led to it's creation?

Do you know why there were thousands of American troops to be stationed in Europe? Do you know why the Soviet Union had no competition in Western Europe anymore, and so was a legitimate threat for domination?

Anyway, exactly zero of these replies have been anything even remotely close to acceptable discourse among adults.

"Someone disagrees with me! FUCK THEM! THEY ARE STUPID!"

Grow up.
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 16:39:23
July 27 2016 16:38 GMT
#90363
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

http://www.w3r-us.org/history/rosters/frgraves.htm

You're welcome (ps : back then, planes were not yet a thing).
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
silynxer
Profile Joined April 2006
Germany439 Posts
July 27 2016 16:39 GMT
#90364
On July 28 2016 01:33 xDaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:17 silynxer wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:13 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:10 farvacola wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:10 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:
This is what happens when Trump can't stand someone else being on the spotlight:


DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially sanctioning a foreign power’s cyberspying of a secretary of state’s correspondence.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”


Source


And just like that, he has hijacked the newscycle and deprived Hillary of some of the oxygen that she needs to get a convention bounce.

That's one way to look at it lol, it could also prove very dumb for Trump.

It could, but history strongly suggests otherwise. Teflon Don is a real thing. Can't stump the Trump!

If Russia would release the deleted emails tomorrow, as per his request, what would your reaction be?

I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Again, let's be real. Every major country has its own cyber-espionage unit that actively fucks with foreign countries.

So the implications really don't bother you at all...
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
July 27 2016 16:39 GMT
#90365
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.


Nice deflection. "My canidates says stupid, inflammatory, and false statements. But it's OK since the other canidates doest talk much."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46457 Posts
July 27 2016 16:39 GMT
#90366
Someone needs to tell Mike Pence that his runningmate is actively encouraging Russia's illegal intervention and cyberspying.

""If it is Russia and they are interfering in our elections, I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences," the Indiana governor and Donald Trump's running mate said in a statement."
~ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-pence-idUSKCN10725E?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 27 2016 16:39 GMT
#90367
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.


she will dodge every question with skill, but will ultimately come off as untrustworthy to the american people as usual. It doesn't take a genius to sniff out bs. I am really interested if she will even address the DNC and their impartiality in her final speech, it will tell me everything I need to know about her character.
Question.?
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 16:41:37
July 27 2016 16:40 GMT
#90368
On July 28 2016 01:38 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

http://www.w3r-us.org/history/rosters/frgraves.htm

You're welcome (ps : back then, planes were not yet a thing).

Ain't got no beef with France. Anyway, that was Louis' government. That government was murdered by the Revolutionaries.

Also, I think we kind of paid that one back.

edit: So we can all agree that we're even now, and you all can pay for your defense and we can pay for ours and everyone will be happy.

Yet somehow I suspect it will still be American money and weapons and men who guarantee the safety of Europe...
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 27 2016 16:40 GMT
#90369
On July 28 2016 01:39 silynxer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:33 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:17 silynxer wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:13 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:10 farvacola wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:10 xDaunt wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:05 Mohdoo wrote:
This is what happens when Trump can't stand someone else being on the spotlight:


DORAL, Fla. — Donald J. Trump said Wednesday that he hoped Russia had hacked Hillary Clinton’s email, essentially sanctioning a foreign power’s cyberspying of a secretary of state’s correspondence.

“Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,” Mr. Trump said, staring directly into the cameras. “I think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press.”


Source


And just like that, he has hijacked the newscycle and deprived Hillary of some of the oxygen that she needs to get a convention bounce.

That's one way to look at it lol, it could also prove very dumb for Trump.

It could, but history strongly suggests otherwise. Teflon Don is a real thing. Can't stump the Trump!

If Russia would release the deleted emails tomorrow, as per his request, what would your reaction be?

I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Again, let's be real. Every major country has its own cyber-espionage unit that actively fucks with foreign countries.

So the implications really don't bother you at all...

What implications? That Hillary stupidly exposed national security secrets to hostile interests? That hostile interests actively seek to hack our stuff? Both are clearly already true.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2016 16:41 GMT
#90370
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

Impressive. Did you serve in the military? Fight in a war? Get deployed? Or you just one of these standard Americas who shit’s on the rest of the world when that came to help us during our totally bullshit war? And maybe stop dredging up WW2 like you had anything to do with it. My grandfather served in that war and worked with Germans for years after.

Seriously, you are sort of an embarrassment right now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 27 2016 16:41 GMT
#90371
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.

Just saying words to reporters isn't commendable! One needs to say something truthful and intelligent. Backing up your claims with relevant evidence is what I'm looking for. There's no award for participation here...
ModeratorWake me up when Trump's term is finished. Slava Ukraini.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 27 2016 16:42 GMT
#90372
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.


I'd say she'll probably wait until a week or so after the convention. Assuming there isn't another huge email blowup, I think dust will finally settle and allow her to pretend nothing bad ever happened. It also depends on how well the DNC can frame the email hack as the DNC being a victim to Russian aggression. If the story can get spun into Russian aggression, Obama can make a lot of grand posturing that supports it. When this issue ends up getting framed as Russian aggression, it minimizes what the leaks actually showed. It's all about managing to have Russia be framed as the bad guy. The media is doing a lot to help that and I think that's where the conversation is headed.

Trump gained media exposure by calling for Russia to release her emails. But he also helped build the narrative that foreign powers are interfering with and attacking our political system. Clinton being female helps build a narrative of her being a victim. Russia being involved helps extend that to it being an attack on our country. In the end, the content of the emails may be the last thing the media is talking about.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 27 2016 16:42 GMT
#90373
On July 28 2016 01:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Someone needs to tell Mike Pence that his runningmate is actively encouraging Russia's illegal intervention and cyberspying.

""If it is Russia and they are interfering in our elections, I can assure you both parties and the United States government will ensure there are serious consequences," the Indiana governor and Donald Trump's running mate said in a statement."
~ http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-pence-idUSKCN10725E?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

And tell him that Tim Kaine was not the governor of New Jersey.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Cowboy24
Profile Joined June 2016
94 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 16:44:57
July 27 2016 16:43 GMT
#90374
On July 28 2016 01:41 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

Impressive. Did you serve in the military? Fight in a war? Get deployed? Or you just one of these standard Americas who shit’s on the rest of the world when that came to help us during our totally bullshit war? And maybe stop dredging up WW2 like you had anything to do with it. My grandfather served in that war and worked with Germans for years after.

Seriously, you are sort of an embarrassment right now.

Yep.

Anyway, they were the ones who brought it up by saying "0 soldiers die in European wars" which is patently false. They meant "recently" but I meant "ever."

Like I said, you all need to grow up and realize not everyone automatically agrees with your political, social, or economic views. Just because you're on the internet and I can't respond physically to really nasty insults and tone doesn't mean you should engage in that type of behavior.

edit: the "How dare you! I won't argue, I'm just gonna use shame tactics and insults to shut you up!" tactic is so 2015...
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
July 27 2016 16:45 GMT
#90375
On July 28 2016 01:39 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.


It doesn't take a genius to sniff out bs.


Some of the quotes by Trump supporters are just golden.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
July 27 2016 16:46 GMT
#90376
On July 28 2016 01:41 Falling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.

Just saying words to reporters isn't commendable! One needs to say something truthful and intelligent. Backing up your claims with relevant evidence is what I'm looking for. There's no award for participation here...

Not risking or being scared of going in front of reporters that would be mostly planted and paid for says a lot more about a persons character, so does going out and answering questions from hostile reporters looking for their next 'gotcha!'
“What the public criticizes in you, cultivate. It is you.” - Jean Cocteau
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-27 16:47:26
July 27 2016 16:46 GMT
#90377
On July 28 2016 01:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

Impressive. Did you serve in the military? Fight in a war? Get deployed? Or you just one of these standard Americas who shit’s on the rest of the world when that came to help us during our totally bullshit war? And maybe stop dredging up WW2 like you had anything to do with it. My grandfather served in that war and worked with Germans for years after.

Seriously, you are sort of an embarrassment right now.

Yep.

Anyway, they were the ones who brought it up by saying "0 soldiers die in European wars" which is patently false. They meant "recently" but I meant "ever."

Like I said, you all need to grow up and realize not everyone automatically agrees with your political, social, or economic views. Just because you're on the internet and I can't respond physically to really nasty insults and tone doesn't mean you should engage in that type of behavior.

edit: the "How dare you! I won't argue, I'm just gonna use shame tactics and insults to shut you up!" tactic is so 2015...


To be fair, you are probably the most extreme Trump supporter ITT. Although xDaunt seems to be moving closer and closer to Trump.
biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 27 2016 16:46 GMT
#90378
On July 28 2016 01:42 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:36 zeo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:31 Falling wrote:
So I see Trump looped in the Bernardino and Orlando shootings as examples of bad people coming into our country... except those were their parents that immigrated to the country. The shooters were first generation immigrants, sure, but how do you vet for when children who are born and bred in America go bad?

What you are seeing is Trump answering questions from reporters, something Clinton hasn't done in 235 days and counting. I would really love to hear her say anything about anything, hell even planted questions! Barely anyone voting Hillary has heard her talk about any issue.

The first debate is on September 26th, thats way too far away to wait for her to answer questions.


I'd say she'll probably wait until a week or so after the convention. Assuming there isn't another huge email blowup, I think dust will finally settle and allow her to pretend nothing bad ever happened. It also depends on how well the DNC can frame the email hack as the DNC being a victim to Russian aggression. If the story can get spun into Russian aggression, Obama can make a lot of grand posturing that supports it. When this issue ends up getting framed as Russian aggression, it minimizes what the leaks actually showed. It's all about managing to have Russia be framed as the bad guy. The media is doing a lot to help that and I think that's where the conversation is headed.

Trump gained media exposure by calling for Russia to release her emails. But he also helped build the narrative that foreign powers are interfering with and attacking our political system. Clinton being female helps build a narrative of her being a victim. Russia being involved helps extend that to it being an attack on our country. In the end, the content of the emails may be the last thing the media is talking about.


Yes that is called dishonest reporting, instead of focusing on what we DO know which is the content of the emails, media will focus on conspiracy theories. I think Russia is a very real suspect in this, but it doesn't mean shit if they did. The media will spin it as if Putin and Trump are secretly bffs.
Question.?
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22608 Posts
July 27 2016 16:48 GMT
#90379
On July 28 2016 01:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

Impressive. Did you serve in the military? Fight in a war? Get deployed? Or you just one of these standard Americas who shit’s on the rest of the world when that came to help us during our totally bullshit war? And maybe stop dredging up WW2 like you had anything to do with it. My grandfather served in that war and worked with Germans for years after.

Seriously, you are sort of an embarrassment right now.

Yep.

Anyway, they were the ones who brought it up by saying "0 soldiers die in European wars" which is patently false. They meant "recently" but I meant "ever."

Like I said, you all need to grow up and realize not everyone automatically agrees with your political, social, or economic views. Just because you're on the internet and I can't respond physically to really nasty insults and tone doesn't mean you should engage in that type of behavior.

edit: the "How dare you! I won't argue, I'm just gonna use shame tactics and insults to shut you up!" tactic is so 2015...


To be fair, you are probably the most extreme Trump supporter ITT. Although xDaunt seems to be moving closer and closer to Trump.

You can have an intelligent conversation with xDaunt, and while I rarely agree with him I atleast value his viewpoint.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 27 2016 16:49 GMT
#90380
On July 28 2016 01:46 Doodsmack wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2016 01:43 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:41 Plansix wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:21 Mohdoo wrote:
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote:
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending.


In your eyes, why was NATO created?

Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe.

It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there.

Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.

Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America.
You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right?
Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0...

600,000 US soldiers died in WW2.

Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however...


On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote:
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists.


bah, not worth it

No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response:

When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care.

Impressive. Did you serve in the military? Fight in a war? Get deployed? Or you just one of these standard Americas who shit’s on the rest of the world when that came to help us during our totally bullshit war? And maybe stop dredging up WW2 like you had anything to do with it. My grandfather served in that war and worked with Germans for years after.

Seriously, you are sort of an embarrassment right now.

Yep.

Anyway, they were the ones who brought it up by saying "0 soldiers die in European wars" which is patently false. They meant "recently" but I meant "ever."

Like I said, you all need to grow up and realize not everyone automatically agrees with your political, social, or economic views. Just because you're on the internet and I can't respond physically to really nasty insults and tone doesn't mean you should engage in that type of behavior.

edit: the "How dare you! I won't argue, I'm just gonna use shame tactics and insults to shut you up!" tactic is so 2015...


To be fair, you are probably the most extreme Trump supporter ITT. Although xDaunt seems to be moving closer and closer to Trump.


I didn't think that my preference was still in doubt. I'll be voting for Trump this year.
Prev 1 4517 4518 4519 4520 4521 10093 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Kung Fu Cup
11:00
2026 Week 24
IntoTheiNu 1103
RotterdaM556
SteadfastSC160
Rex126
CosmosSc2 39
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 556
uThermal 176
SteadfastSC 160
Rex 126
CosmosSc2 39
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 38521
Shuttle 2887
Bisu 2687
BeSt 735
Light 588
Rush 449
Mini 425
Stork 325
Snow 222
Last 146
[ Show more ]
hero 109
Hyun 56
Shine 53
Shinee 45
PianO 41
ToSsGirL 28
Sharp 28
Hm[arnc] 25
zelot 24
Sexy 22
HiyA 21
sorry 21
Aegong 17
NotJumperer 12
Rock 10
Terrorterran 8
Icarus 6
Dota 2
Gorgc5724
qojqva1270
Dendi1185
Counter-Strike
kRYSTAL_189
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes372
Other Games
olofmeister1296
B2W.Neo740
hiko597
Lowko401
XBOCT337
DeMusliM250
Liquid`VortiX117
Mew2King113
ArmadaUGS75
QueenE54
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream9726
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 384
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH158
• mYiSmile113
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4577
League of Legends
• Nemesis2416
• TFBlade468
Other Games
• WagamamaTV188
Upcoming Events
The PondCast
20h 28m
Replay Cast
1d 10h
Korean StarCraft League
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
2 days
GSL
3 days
Yamato Cup
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Jaedong
WardiTV Weekly
4 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Leta vs Soulkey
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.