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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:13 xDaunt wrote: It could, but history strongly suggests otherwise. Teflon Don is a real thing. Can't stump the Trump! Encouraging a foreign enemy to attack the secretary of state is a totally different realm. I guess we'll see lol | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:13 xDaunt wrote: It could, but history strongly suggests otherwise. Teflon Don is a real thing. Can't stump the Trump! If Russia would release the deleted emails tomorrow, as per his request, what would your reaction be? | ||
Falling
Canada11607 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:43 xDaunt wrote: Again, does the content of what was produced not matter? Let's not pretend that foreign countries have never tried to influence elections. Everyone does it, whether it be through simple press conferences or through an email dump or through even more nefarious means. Yeah content does matter, but a foreign country trying to influence an election also matters- people used to get rather grumpy about even another political leader chiming in on one side or the other during an election (Mexico's president for instance). Our Trudeau keeps deflecting reporters' questions who keep trying to bait him to give an opinion on the election- it's quite clear he is sympathetic to Clinton over Trump, but he won't answer their questions. And that's a minor case compared to hacking and releasing. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
The Russia thing is awesome. I would take it further and put a bounty on the info, offer $1-million for any information leading to an indictment. (IDK if that's legal, but if it is, he should do it lol) NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote: NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending. In your eyes, why was NATO created? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:19 Cowboy24 wrote: I don't think the tax-releases has much play with a general audience. No one in their right mind would ever want to release their tax-returns, and while that may be the expectation for President's now, it wasn't always and there's no law mandating it. The Russia thing is awesome. I would take it further and put a bounty on the info, offer $1-million for any information leading to an indictment. (IDK if that's legal, but if it is, he should do it lol) NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending. How very un-American of you. It’s nice to see that you trust the Russian government more than other American citizens or your own government. One thing is for sure, Reagan wouldn’t vote for Trump. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
NATO is the United States defending people so they don't have to defend themselves. They should pay for all of it. It's not our borders we're defending. Funny, considering that the US is the only country to ever invoke the mutual defense clause. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe. It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there. Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. bah, not worth it | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote: Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe. It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there. Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America. You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right? Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote: Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe. It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there. Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. You don't wonder if we have any selfish interest in protecting these countries? You don't think any of the motivation for keeping these countries safe comes from our own benefit? | ||
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Falling
Canada11607 Posts
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote: Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe. It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there. Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. Comment so stupid, the only wars where americans indeed came to help us where the first and the second world war. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:23 Plansix wrote: How very un-American of you. It’s nice to see that you trust the Russian government more than other American citizens or your own government. One thing is for sure, Reagan wouldn’t vote for Trump. That is an excellent point, the first part. I've never thought about it like that but it's true: I trust Putin more than I trust Obama. I trust the Russian government more than I trust our own. It's sad, but most of Putin's moves make sense to me if I think about it from a Russian point of view. His goals and mine might not align ever, but he just wants what is best for his country. Obama on the other hand, and most of the government, they don't seem to care about our country one way or the other. It seems like they only care about themselves and sometimes as if they actively want our country ruined, or at least weakened. I can't make sense of their motivations, considering their actions. Though I threw out the "they are all just stupid" excuse a long time ago. I assume they aren't stupid, so maybe that's my problem? Anyway, this is a problem for the government to figure out. I'm not obligated to trust them, they are obligated to earn my trust. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:28 m4ini wrote: As a german soldier that went to war for your country: go fuck yourself. I apologize for the ignorance of some Americas who don’t understand that we pull the EU into war, not the other way around. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:17 silynxer wrote: If Russia would release the deleted emails tomorrow, as per his request, what would your reaction be? I certainly wouldn't be surprised. Again, let's be real. Every major country has its own cyber-espionage unit that actively fucks with foreign countries. | ||
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Cowboy24
94 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:29 Gorsameth wrote: Which is funny since none of the conflicts in which Americans are dying were initiated by Europe. They were all done by America. You realize that the number of European soldiers dying in American conflicts is infinitely greater right? Not that hard tho since you need a number greater then 0... 600,000 US soldiers died in WW2. Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however... No, go ahead keep it up. Here's my response: When your country loses six-hundred thousand men fighting in Utah to save us from robo-Hitler, you can talk. Until then, I don't care. | ||
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m4ini
4215 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:32 Plansix wrote: I apologize for the ignorance of some Americas who don’t understand that we pull the EU into war, not the other way around. No need to apologize, it's rather obvious that he doesn't have the slightest idea of how the world works. That includes NATO, obviously. I've met some cool people in service, and i don't really regret going over there: i just react allergic to ignorant dumbasses. It's not american ignorance that pisses me off, it's his. 600,000 US soldiers died in WW2. Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however... .. just wow. Don't even know what to say. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:27 Cowboy24 wrote: Probably to counteract whatever international alliances the Soviets were building and to create a nice fat buffer zone between Russia and Western Europe. It just isn't very good policy now, in my opinion. Getting involved in European land-wars happened and I'm not going to re-litigate the past and say it was a mistake then, but going forward it would be a mistake to continue. What do I care if Eastern Europe is too weak to protect their own borders? If Putin wants it and he can take it, let him. None of my business. Hell, if he wants Western Europe, none of my business and besides, he'd probably do better than most of the current fools who run things over there. Europe should either start paying for our defense or paying for their own defense. I'm tired of sending American boys to die protecting European socialists. Yeah, let's break up NATO when Russia is being the most aggressive we've seen in decades. Smart. Like Plansix said, Reagan definitely wouldn't vote for Trump. When we reneg on all our deals, its only a matter of time before our bases are thrown out of their countries, setting back US presence half a century, plus. Chances of keeping Okinawa, which is already a dubious proposition now? Something like zero based on what Trump had said of Japan. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On July 28 2016 01:33 Cowboy24 wrote: 600,000 US soldiers died in WW2. Now, granted, some of those were in the Pacific, however... We were talking about NATO. It didn't exist until after WW2. Please try again to tho. Your worth a good laugh. | ||
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