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xDaunt
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:19 xDaunt wrote: Heh, Trump is going to make a play for the youth vote with a new student debt relief plan (or some kind of plan targeted at reducing tuition). If someone gets rid of my student debt, to hell with all the at risk groups that will suffer under trump. just kidding, but kind of not. And in the end, I don't think Trump could actually do anything to help me. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22703 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:19 xDaunt wrote: Heh, Trump is going to make a play for the youth vote with a new student debt relief plan (or some kind of plan targeted at reducing tuition). Donno how good a play for students will be with Trump university hanging around his neck. | ||
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farvacola
United States18876 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:19 xDaunt wrote: Heh, Trump is going to make a play for the youth vote with a new student debt relief plan (or some kind of plan targeted at reducing tuition). Which I'm sure will play well with the hard workin', uneducated white males that make up a large portion of his constituency! | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:24 farvacola wrote: Which I'm sure will play well with the hard workin', uneducated white males that make up a large portion of his constituency! There is the large, educated white dude vote that makes +70K a year that also is a big part of his base. But they are not being crushed by debt. But hey, maybe someone will believe him for a couple seconds before he forgets about it and moves on. | ||
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xDaunt
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:24 Gorsameth wrote: Donno how good a play for students will be with Trump university hanging around his neck. maybe he'll offer one semester in any Trump affiliated university for free for people! //don't hearthstone and TL~ | ||
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silynxer
Germany439 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:27 xDaunt wrote: The media is truly apoplectic about this Russia hacking the DNC thing. The reporters won't leave it alone during this press conference. He did this to himself by not releasing his tax returns. It just feeds the speculation after the FBI pretty much confirmed the DNC hack was from Russia and was released on the eve of the convention. And his son admitted they have a lot of Russian investors about a year ago. Its not baseless to ask about those investment. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:32 silynxer wrote: A foreign power trying to influence national elections usually plays very poorly because of sovereignity issues but the divide between Republicans and Democrats has grown so much that it doesn't seem to matter. The implications should be worrisome because if this works, expect a lot more of it in the future (oh you want to take a tough stance against Russia, wouldn't it be a shame if someone hacked all your emails???). Even if it doesn't work this time if this is not shown to be counterproductive it will become more prevalent. It's just Democrat politicians deflecting so nobody reads into whats actually in the emails. The main story is corruption within the Democratic party not wild speculation about who took the picture so to speak. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:34 zeo wrote: It's just Democrat politicians deflecting so nobody reads into whats actually in the emails. The main story is corruption within the Democratic party not wild speculation about who took the picture so to speak. Because clearly it's "wild speculation", not just you wanting to dismiss it. NBD - Russia tried to influence our election in a prominent manner. After Trump made certain comments about NATO. But yes, the actual emails can be a big story too. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:32 silynxer wrote: A foreign power trying to influence national elections usually plays very poorly because of sovereignity issues but the divide between Republicans and Democrats has grown so much that it doesn't seem to matter. The implications should be worrisome because if this works, expect a lot more of it in the future (oh you want to take a tough stance against Russia, wouldn't it be a shame if someone hacked all your emails???). Even if it doesn't work this time if this is not shown to be counterproductive it will become more prevalent. Again, does the content of what was produced not matter? Let's not pretend that foreign countries have never tried to influence elections. Everyone does it, whether it be through simple press conferences or through an email dump or through even more nefarious means. And do you know who has been noticeably silent on the matter? President Obama. The only people talking about it are DNC and leftist media hacks. If this is such a breach of national sovereignty and such a big deal, the real people in charge of defending us certainly don't seem to give a shit. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:34 zeo wrote: It's just Democrat politicians deflecting so nobody reads into whats actually in the emails. The main story is corruption within the Democratic party not wild speculation about who took the picture so to speak. By took the picture, you mean illegally broke into private servers to steal data and personal information which they released on to the web. Including the social security numbers and home addresses of people who donated to the DNC, some of them very middle class. So yeah, they found some stuff in the DNC and that problem will be handled. But let’s not pretend the people who broke in are saints or working in the US’s best interest. | ||
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ragz_gt
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Seuss
United States10536 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:43 xDaunt wrote: Again, does the content of what was produced not matter? Let's not pretend that foreign countries have never tried to influence elections. Everyone does it, whether it be through simple press conferences or through an email dump or through even more nefarious means. And do you know who has been noticeably silent on the matter? President Obama. The only people talking about it are DNC and leftist media hacks. If this is such a breach of national sovereignty and such a big deal, the real people in charge of defending us certainly don't seem to give a shit. Obama personally addressing the matter would probably be counter-productive given the esteem in which he's held by the people he'd be trying to influence. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:43 Plansix wrote: By took the picture, you mean illegally broke into private servers to steal data and personal information which they released on to the web. Including the social security numbers and home addresses of people who donated to the DNC, some of them very middle class. So yeah, they found some stuff in the DNC and that problem will be handled. But let’s not pretend the people who broke in are saints or working in the US’s best interest. You forgot to add evidence of widespread corruption. You're politicians being corrupt is the fault of no other country, instead of using this to weed out the bad apples you are empowering and defending election fixers, bribe takers and, in general, sleazy people. 235 days since Clinton's last press conference in case you missed it. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:48 zeo wrote: You forgot to add evidence of widespread corruption. You're politicians being corrupt is the fault of no other country, instead of using this to weed out the bad apples you are empowering and defending election fixers, bribe takers and, in general, sleazy people. 235 days since Clinton's last press conference in case you missed it. I’ve seen wide spread corruption dealing with Rhode Island real estate. It’s their main export. I was not impressed at all by the wrong doing in the DNC hack. I have seen far worse and that stuff was pretty tame. Not acceptable, but nothing that is going to make me thank whoever hacked the DNC. | ||
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
On July 28 2016 00:51 Plansix wrote: I’ve seen wide spread corruption dealing with Rhode Island real estate. It’s their main export. I was not impressed at all by the wrong doing in the DNC hack. I have seen far worse and that stuff was pretty tame. Not acceptable, but nothing that is going to make me thank whoever hacked the DNC. Of cource you and other Clinton zealots won't see a problem with it but the huge jump in poll numbers says otherwise. Wikileaks says the really juicy stuff is coming in the next few dumps. | ||
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xDaunt
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TheDougler
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