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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:30 Leporello wrote: It's more like hearing a judge talk shit about a plaintiff, than a firm talking shit about a client, imo. She should be fired, and Bernie voters should be pissed. But what can they do? Well there is an ongoing lawsuit, and they do still need the Bernie votes... | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
I think I'm done being a Democrat. I swear Donald Trump is about the only thing keeping me from not voting Hillary. If it was Mitt, no fucks would be given. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:34 Plansix wrote: I'm not convinced that this will change a large number of Bernie voters minds. any Bernie supporter that votes for HRC at this point must have a deep fetish for humiliation | ||
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GoTuNk!
Chile4591 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:40 Leporello wrote: Right, because it's either vote for a fucking reality-TV embarrassment, or vote for the Chosen One. I think I'm done being a Democrat. I swear Donald Trump is about the only thing keeping me from not voting Hillary. If it was Mitt, no fucks would be given. Let me try to convince you: | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46686 Posts
Yeah... that hostile source is Donald Trump. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote: Brah, it;s probably closer to what Moh is saying since DWS is still trying to leverage into speaking at the convention. Everyone is saying Dems screwed up except the most diehard Clinton supporters. If you think what the dems did was fine you're part of the problem and I suppose the stubbornness to admit the obvious is understandable. There are essentially 2 issues at play here: DWS. I'm not a big fan of DWS for a number of reasons. What's going on is hardly making me like her more. Still, here she's taking the fall because she's the chair and this happened on her watch. That's pretty much it. Separately, bias. People aren't professional 100% of the time. There's shit that me and my boss have said about some co workers, about our business partners that would cause significant problems for our company if the subject of our comments heard them. Still, we deal with them in our professional capacities... professionally. The members of the DNC had their biases. Did they let those biases unduly affect how they conducted business? No, and there's no evidence that they did. If there were truly anything untoward, it would be all over the news. So feel free to continue being outraged over what's pretty much a simple fact of life and how people work. If this is what gets you riled up, I'm afraid life is going to be really fucking infuriating unless you become a hermit. | ||
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote: There are essentially 2 issues at play here: DWS. I'm not a big fan of DWS for a number of reasons. What's going on is hardly making me like her more. Still, here she's taking the fall because she's the chair and this happened on her watch. That's pretty much it. Separately, bias. People aren't professional 100% of the time. There's shit that me and my boss have said about some co workers, about our business partners that would cause significant problems for our company if the subject of our comments heard them. Still, we deal with them in our professional capacities... professionally. The members of the DNC had their biases. Did they let those biases unduly affect how they conducted business? No, and there's no evidence that they did. If there were truly anything untoward, it would be all over the news. So feel free to continue being outraged over what's pretty much a simple fact of life and how people work. If this is what gets you riled up, I'm afraid life is going to be really fucking infuriating unless you become a hermit. So trying to actively sabotage Bernie by asking if he believes in god, and if he is an atheist in order to score some points from voters in religious states is just a lack of professionalism? | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4462 Posts
On July 25 2016 11:49 Plansix wrote: Likes don't matter. Views matter. If it reaches a fraction of gangnam style levels of views it might be relevant. As someone who follows a bunch democrats on Twitter, that "documentary" has had zero impact. The emails seem to be a lot of "no shit, people say mean things in private." To be fair I'm not sure they need a wildly successful doco to show how untrustworthy Clinton is. She's doing a good job digging her own grave in that department as is. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:57 biology]major wrote: So trying to actively sabotage Bernie by asking if he believes in god, and if he is an atheist in order to score some points from voters in religious states is just a lack of professionalism? They didn't follow through, it's was an idea they never acted on. They are allowed to have bad ideas. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
One would have to be one of the most naive people on the planet to really think those emails are anywhere near the worst of it. If that's what they believe (that they don't know if breaking the charter is a problem), fine. But don't lie all primary and then say "yeah you were right, too bad it's too late", especially when it's not actually too late. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
Source. | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 25 2016 13:26 xDaunt wrote: Hah, so now the Clintons are pedaling the story that they wanted to remove DWS last fall, but Obama blocked them. So shameless. Source. Next they'lln say it was Obama's idea to remove the restrictions on lobbyists donating to the DNC (that he put in place). Sooooo Shameless. She worked for Hillary against Obama, but Obama's the one who fought to keep her there... The level of delusion has reached sycophant. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On July 25 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote: I think we all would like better options, but that isn't the reality sadly. Not so sure about that. I think the Trump supporters in this thread are pretty happy with him. The republicans would have less support here if it was anyone else. If PA is any indication, democrats are the ones switching over. Meanwhile, billionaires are switching to endorsing Hillary. | ||
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NovaTheFeared
United States7232 Posts
Politifact | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States24505 Posts
On July 25 2016 13:30 ticklishmusic wrote: So where's the evidence that there was actual impropriety instead of some words being said and ideas being thrown around? Plotting about how to take down someone you're supposed to be neutral about is more than enough. I don't really know who this argument is for though. The only people who don't already acknowledge it are Hillary superfans. Everyone else already has more than enough to conclude they weren't impartial as the charter suggests they must be. As for the debate thing allow me to give you his response: "Hillary did well in the debates, that wouldn't have helped Bernie (with some extra crap)". Which anyone knows is crap since it was about keeping people from knowing he even existed (as was the virtually non-existent news coverage prior to Iowa) So in terms of stand-alone campaign stories this year, it's been 234 minutes for Trump, compared to 10 minutes for Sanders. And at ABC World News Tonight, it's been 81 minutes for Trump and less than one minute for Sanders. Article | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On July 25 2016 13:26 xDaunt wrote: Hah, so now the Clintons are pedaling the story that they wanted to remove DWS last fall, but Obama blocked them. So shameless. Source. Wanted to get rid of her so badly that this is the first anyone ever heard of this, and then offered her a place on the presidential campaign. | ||
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