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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 25 2016 03:33 GMT
#88661
On July 25 2016 12:30 Leporello wrote:
It's more like hearing a judge talk shit about a plaintiff, than a firm talking shit about a client, imo.

She should be fired, and Bernie voters should be pissed. But what can they do?

Well there is an ongoing lawsuit, and they do still need the Bernie votes...
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2016 03:34 GMT
#88662
I'm not convinced that this will change a large number of Bernie voters minds.
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Leporello
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2845 Posts
July 25 2016 03:40 GMT
#88663
Right, because it's either vote for a fucking reality-TV embarrassment, or vote for the Chosen One.

I think I'm done being a Democrat. I swear Donald Trump is about the only thing keeping me from not voting Hillary.

If it was Mitt, no fucks would be given.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2016 03:43 GMT
#88664
I think we all would like better options, but that isn't the reality sadly.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 25 2016 03:44 GMT
#88665
On July 25 2016 12:34 Plansix wrote:
I'm not convinced that this will change a large number of Bernie voters minds.


any Bernie supporter that votes for HRC at this point must have a deep fetish for humiliation
Question.?
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
July 25 2016 03:48 GMT
#88666
On July 25 2016 12:40 Leporello wrote:
Right, because it's either vote for a fucking reality-TV embarrassment, or vote for the Chosen One.

I think I'm done being a Democrat. I swear Donald Trump is about the only thing keeping me from not voting Hillary.

If it was Mitt, no fucks would be given.


Let me try to convince you:


LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 25 2016 03:48 GMT
#88667
Bernie voters might just stay home. And I know a substantial number of Sanders > Trump > Clinton or Sanders > Trump = Clinton voters. Possibly enough to matter. Hillary is pretty arrogant right now for a candidate with a fragile lead.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44276 Posts
July 25 2016 03:51 GMT
#88668
That video is hilarious... liberals are getting their information about Donald Trump from "hostile sources"?

Yeah... that hostile source is Donald Trump.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 03:55:30
July 25 2016 03:53 GMT
#88669
On July 25 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 11:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 25 2016 11:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On July 25 2016 10:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
So if I'm getting this straight... some people in the DNC said some mean things about Bernie + his campaign and that's validation of them conspiring against him? Seems like they expressed irritation with him and that was about it. It's unprofessional, but it's not wrong (and heck, he deserved it in some cases).

[image loading]

If you had to deal with this shit (and yes, it's framed in a way to make Bernie look particularly bad, but the facts of his campaign being impossible to work with stand for themselves) wouldn't you be frustrated?

I also see some emails to the networks saying "yo we don't appreciate this please stop". I don't see any of this ordering people around shit that people have been talking about.

I haven't seen a single story about about the DNC actually rigging a single thing against Bernie. If there were it would kind of be everywhere. Until I see more than an email saying "gosh this dude is an asshole", I'm not going to buy any accusations of bias when he's ultimately been treated pretty much the same as everyone else who ran.


I don't like hiring DWS as honorary chairperson, whatever the heck that means. Optics are awful. Then again, I don't know the story behind it either. My conjecture is that it's some sort of deal to get her out as DNC chair and canceling her appearances at the convention.


Ah hah! Hey guys, look! I found that rationalization!


Great post you got going on there. Let me know when you find some facts?



Brah, it;s probably closer to what Moh is saying since DWS is still trying to leverage into speaking at the convention.

Everyone is saying Dems screwed up except the most diehard Clinton supporters. If you think what the dems did was fine you're part of the problem and I suppose the stubbornness to admit the obvious is understandable.


There are essentially 2 issues at play here:

DWS. I'm not a big fan of DWS for a number of reasons. What's going on is hardly making me like her more. Still, here she's taking the fall because she's the chair and this happened on her watch. That's pretty much it.

Separately, bias. People aren't professional 100% of the time. There's shit that me and my boss have said about some co workers, about our business partners that would cause significant problems for our company if the subject of our comments heard them. Still, we deal with them in our professional capacities... professionally. The members of the DNC had their biases. Did they let those biases unduly affect how they conducted business? No, and there's no evidence that they did. If there were truly anything untoward, it would be all over the news.

So feel free to continue being outraged over what's pretty much a simple fact of life and how people work. If this is what gets you riled up, I'm afraid life is going to be really fucking infuriating unless you become a hermit.
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biology]major
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2253 Posts
July 25 2016 03:57 GMT
#88670
On July 25 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 25 2016 11:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 25 2016 11:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On July 25 2016 10:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
So if I'm getting this straight... some people in the DNC said some mean things about Bernie + his campaign and that's validation of them conspiring against him? Seems like they expressed irritation with him and that was about it. It's unprofessional, but it's not wrong (and heck, he deserved it in some cases).

[image loading]

If you had to deal with this shit (and yes, it's framed in a way to make Bernie look particularly bad, but the facts of his campaign being impossible to work with stand for themselves) wouldn't you be frustrated?

I also see some emails to the networks saying "yo we don't appreciate this please stop". I don't see any of this ordering people around shit that people have been talking about.

I haven't seen a single story about about the DNC actually rigging a single thing against Bernie. If there were it would kind of be everywhere. Until I see more than an email saying "gosh this dude is an asshole", I'm not going to buy any accusations of bias when he's ultimately been treated pretty much the same as everyone else who ran.


I don't like hiring DWS as honorary chairperson, whatever the heck that means. Optics are awful. Then again, I don't know the story behind it either. My conjecture is that it's some sort of deal to get her out as DNC chair and canceling her appearances at the convention.


Ah hah! Hey guys, look! I found that rationalization!


Great post you got going on there. Let me know when you find some facts?



Brah, it;s probably closer to what Moh is saying since DWS is still trying to leverage into speaking at the convention.

Everyone is saying Dems screwed up except the most diehard Clinton supporters. If you think what the dems did was fine you're part of the problem and I suppose the stubbornness to admit the obvious is understandable.


There are essentially 2 issues at play here:

DWS. I'm not a big fan of DWS for a number of reasons. What's going on is hardly making me like her more. Still, here she's taking the fall because she's the chair and this happened on her watch. That's pretty much it.

Separately, bias. People aren't professional 100% of the time. There's shit that me and my boss have said about some co workers, about our business partners that would cause significant problems for our company if the subject of our comments heard them. Still, we deal with them in our professional capacities... professionally. The members of the DNC had their biases. Did they let those biases unduly affect how they conducted business? No, and there's no evidence that they did. If there were truly anything untoward, it would be all over the news.

So feel free to continue being outraged over what's pretty much a simple fact of life and how people work. If this is what gets you riled up, I'm afraid life is going to be really fucking infuriating unless you become a hermit.


So trying to actively sabotage Bernie by asking if he believes in god, and if he is an atheist in order to score some points from voters in religious states is just a lack of professionalism?
Question.?
iPlaY.NettleS
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia4329 Posts
July 25 2016 04:05 GMT
#88671
On July 25 2016 11:49 Plansix wrote:
Likes don't matter. Views matter. If it reaches a fraction of gangnam style levels of views it might be relevant.

As someone who follows a bunch democrats on Twitter, that "documentary" has had zero impact. The emails seem to be a lot of "no shit, people say mean things in private."

To be fair I'm not sure they need a wildly successful doco to show how untrustworthy Clinton is.
She's doing a good job digging her own grave in that department as is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7PvoI6gvQs
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 25 2016 04:06 GMT
#88672
On July 25 2016 12:57 biology]major wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2016 12:53 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 25 2016 12:04 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 25 2016 11:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
On July 25 2016 11:23 Stratos_speAr wrote:
On July 25 2016 10:38 ticklishmusic wrote:
So if I'm getting this straight... some people in the DNC said some mean things about Bernie + his campaign and that's validation of them conspiring against him? Seems like they expressed irritation with him and that was about it. It's unprofessional, but it's not wrong (and heck, he deserved it in some cases).

[image loading]

If you had to deal with this shit (and yes, it's framed in a way to make Bernie look particularly bad, but the facts of his campaign being impossible to work with stand for themselves) wouldn't you be frustrated?

I also see some emails to the networks saying "yo we don't appreciate this please stop". I don't see any of this ordering people around shit that people have been talking about.

I haven't seen a single story about about the DNC actually rigging a single thing against Bernie. If there were it would kind of be everywhere. Until I see more than an email saying "gosh this dude is an asshole", I'm not going to buy any accusations of bias when he's ultimately been treated pretty much the same as everyone else who ran.


I don't like hiring DWS as honorary chairperson, whatever the heck that means. Optics are awful. Then again, I don't know the story behind it either. My conjecture is that it's some sort of deal to get her out as DNC chair and canceling her appearances at the convention.


Ah hah! Hey guys, look! I found that rationalization!


Great post you got going on there. Let me know when you find some facts?



Brah, it;s probably closer to what Moh is saying since DWS is still trying to leverage into speaking at the convention.

Everyone is saying Dems screwed up except the most diehard Clinton supporters. If you think what the dems did was fine you're part of the problem and I suppose the stubbornness to admit the obvious is understandable.


There are essentially 2 issues at play here:

DWS. I'm not a big fan of DWS for a number of reasons. What's going on is hardly making me like her more. Still, here she's taking the fall because she's the chair and this happened on her watch. That's pretty much it.

Separately, bias. People aren't professional 100% of the time. There's shit that me and my boss have said about some co workers, about our business partners that would cause significant problems for our company if the subject of our comments heard them. Still, we deal with them in our professional capacities... professionally. The members of the DNC had their biases. Did they let those biases unduly affect how they conducted business? No, and there's no evidence that they did. If there were truly anything untoward, it would be all over the news.

So feel free to continue being outraged over what's pretty much a simple fact of life and how people work. If this is what gets you riled up, I'm afraid life is going to be really fucking infuriating unless you become a hermit.


So trying to actively sabotage Bernie by asking if he believes in god, and if he is an atheist in order to score some points from voters in religious states is just a lack of professionalism?

They didn't follow through, it's was an idea they never acted on. They are allowed to have bad ideas.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 04:15:26
July 25 2016 04:09 GMT
#88673
What I think is funny is how people presume that what was exposed was the worst of the worst. Like was said earlier, only total morons or cronies so deeply embedded would have even been dumb enough to send this type of stuff in email.

One would have to be one of the most naive people on the planet to really think those emails are anywhere near the worst of it.



If that's what they believe (that they don't know if breaking the charter is a problem), fine. But don't lie all primary and then say "yeah you were right, too bad it's too late", especially when it's not actually too late.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
July 25 2016 04:26 GMT
#88674
Hah, so now the Clintons are pedaling the story that they wanted to remove DWS last fall, but Obama blocked them. So shameless.

Source.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
July 25 2016 04:28 GMT
#88675
On July 25 2016 13:26 xDaunt wrote:
Hah, so now the Clintons are pedaling the story that they wanted to remove DWS last fall, but Obama blocked them. So shameless.

Source.


Next they'lln say it was Obama's idea to remove the restrictions on lobbyists donating to the DNC (that he put in place). Sooooo Shameless. She worked for Hillary against Obama, but Obama's the one who fought to keep her there...

The level of delusion has reached sycophant.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 04:31:22
July 25 2016 04:30 GMT
#88676
So where's the evidence that there was actual impropriety instead of some words being said and ideas being thrown around?

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CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 04:36:00
July 25 2016 04:34 GMT
#88677
On July 25 2016 12:43 Plansix wrote:
I think we all would like better options, but that isn't the reality sadly.

Not so sure about that. I think the Trump supporters in this thread are pretty happy with him. The republicans would have less support here if it was anyone else. If PA is any indication, democrats are the ones switching over. Meanwhile, billionaires are switching to endorsing Hillary.
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NovaTheFeared
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States7222 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 04:36:04
July 25 2016 04:35 GMT
#88678
The debate schedule was certainly the DNC putting its thumb on the scale for Clinton. Putting all those debates on weekends to bury them, helping the candidate with the higher name recognition.

Politifact
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23221 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-25 04:42:31
July 25 2016 04:37 GMT
#88679
On July 25 2016 13:30 ticklishmusic wrote:
So where's the evidence that there was actual impropriety instead of some words being said and ideas being thrown around?



Plotting about how to take down someone you're supposed to be neutral about is more than enough. I don't really know who this argument is for though. The only people who don't already acknowledge it are Hillary superfans. Everyone else already has more than enough to conclude they weren't impartial as the charter suggests they must be.

As for the debate thing allow me to give you his response:

"Hillary did well in the debates, that wouldn't have helped Bernie (with some extra crap)". Which anyone knows is crap since it was about keeping people from knowing he even existed (as was the virtually non-existent news coverage prior to Iowa)

So in terms of stand-alone campaign stories this year, it's been 234 minutes for Trump, compared to 10 minutes for Sanders. And at ABC World News Tonight, it's been 81 minutes for Trump and less than one minute for Sanders.


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"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United Kingdom13775 Posts
July 25 2016 04:38 GMT
#88680
On July 25 2016 13:26 xDaunt wrote:
Hah, so now the Clintons are pedaling the story that they wanted to remove DWS last fall, but Obama blocked them. So shameless.

Source.

Wanted to get rid of her so badly that this is the first anyone ever heard of this, and then offered her a place on the presidential campaign.
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