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thePunGun
Profile Blog Joined January 2016
598 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 09:39:44
July 08 2016 04:51 GMT
#84021
I'm just in shock, my sister's a cop and she was in tears after seeing that video this afternoon. She always said stuff like that doesn't happen here (WA), but Minnesota...that's north, too..that's us.
Now with several officers shot in Dallas..this is just awful.
I haven't seen my big sister cry like that since she was a kid and seeing a strong 42 year old woman having a nervous breakdown like that...just caught me off guard.
"You cannot teach a man anything, you can only help him find it within himself."
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
July 08 2016 04:55 GMT
#84022
On July 08 2016 13:39 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 13:16 mahrgell wrote:
On July 08 2016 13:05 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 13:03 Amarok wrote:
On July 08 2016 12:50 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 12:49 Amarok wrote:
On July 08 2016 12:45 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 12:42 Amarok wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:13 Plansix wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
[quote]

I do that anyways -shrug-

Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?

No. I treat cops with the exact same amount of respect I treat random people. If I feel they pulled me over for no reason, I'm not polite.


This is just stupid. I mean it's your prerogative to do this, but is there any actual reasoning behind it or is it just big talk for the internet?

I'm Australian. We don't have the same kinds of problems with our police force as America, but I'm more polite/courteous to cops (even when I'm being inconvenienced) than a random person for a few reasons.
a) I'm not a dick
b) They're doing tough but necessary work and I want them to continue doing so
c) They have the ability to seriously fuck up my day if I act like a dick to them
d) I'm not a dick

Even if it "feels" like you've been pulled over for no reason, they probably have one and even if they don't being respectful and courteous will absolutely minimise the chance that you have any issues. Why wouldn't you want that?

That said, the Minneapolis incident looks absolutely awful. Absolutely abhorrent police work at best.

I'm a grown ass man and people get the exact amount of respect they earn.


Maybe the cop is just applying this exact principle to you.


by randomly pulling someone over?


Who says it's random? Just because you're not aware of their motives?

I've been targeted before. Had a cop follow me for 20 minutes to the middle of nowhere just to pull me over once I reached a mates house and asked to see my license. I was driving an old bomb and he probably thought it was stolen, but it doesn't really matter. I was annoyed at being followed for so long, but I greeted him politely, he was short but professional and I was on my way in minutes. If I'd given him a blasting because I couldn't control myself I imagine the encounter would have gone quite differently. Keeping your emotions in check is never a bad idea.

And to be absolutely clear this is in no way justification for cops shooting people.


because plansix was talking about being pulled over without reason

you're scenario is perfectly legit...


Okay, I repeat it for you:

Who says it's random? Just because you're not aware of their motives?


I have been pulled over in Germany a fair number of times, sometimes I had an idea why, sometimes I don't. So what? Show your papers and whatever they want to see, be nice, and try to get it done as fast as possible. If I would every time question them about their motives and decide to be a dick, cuz I don't agree with them... I guess I could easily multiply my time spent with them. But seriously, they have probably better things to do after realizing that there is nothing wrong with me, and I also have better things to do, so let's just hurry up.
Oh and I probably also make life a bit better for the next guy meeting those cops.

But nah, the grown ass man has to show his hostility right away, and then be surprised that they don't play nice either suddenly.


If a random stranger asks you for directions, you don't go all "yes sir, right over there sir", you give them directions. If a cop pulls you over and asks you a question, you answer the question. If the cop is rude as fuck or asking you to do something they don't have the right to demand, you should not be like "yer sir, of course, whatever you want".
A cop violating your rights is not acceptable on the basis of being a cop. The only thing keeping you from calling them out is either annoyance (they could make your day longer or some other bullshit) or fear (death or beaten).
So when you get pulled over in Germany and you don't understand why a cop is asking you to do something and you'd like to hear their reasoning, do you expect to get beaten or shot? Or if you comply with their demands but they don't like your tone/attitude, do you expect to get beaten or shot. Don't fucking defend these assholes who abuse their authority.

I would never do that "blabla sir" or German equivalent, no. And I also know my rights quite well enough to defend them. Also cops in Germany are quite unlikely to shoot you

But at the same time I also don't question them for pulling me over. Because at least under German law, they don't have to give me a reason for pulling me over. (they just call it Routinekontrolle and done) They are also allowed to check my ID anytime. And they are also allowed to do an alcohol test, if I'm driving. And if they really feel like searching the car. Well... they are actually allowed to. And I prefer to actually help them to quicken the process.
And we usually got along well. They noticed they got the wrong dude, I noticed they got the wrong dude, we had some talk, they moved on, I moved on. If I would have went full hostile, just because I'm getting checked again for no reason.... well, gonna be a long day.
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
July 08 2016 04:56 GMT
#84023
Recruitment down, murder up in Baltimore after controversial prosecution of officers.
Already beset by a public outcry over the high-profile death of a black man in police custody and a rising murder rate, Baltimore's police department is facing another headache: it's shrinking fast.

The number of uniformed officers in the mid-Atlantic city fell 6.1 percent last year and has shrunk by even more in the first half of this year, according to police data seen by Reuters and not previously reported.

The fall in 2015 was the biggest decline in police numbers among nine comparably-sized U.S. cities reviewed by Reuters. The police force in Detroit and El Paso shrank by 4.9 percent and 4.3 percent, respectively, while Denver and Las Vegas saw increases of over 5 percent.

The reasons for the fall are unclear, but it comes at a difficult time when the number of murders and other violent crimes have risen sharply in Baltimore and many other U.S. cities.
Reuters

Dallas
Four officers are dead — three Dallas police officers and one DART transit officer — after two snipers opened fire on police at the end of a protest against nationwide officer-involved shootings Thursday night, officials say.

Eleven officers were shot by gunmen who were still at large hours after what was believed to be a coordinated shooting, according to Dallas Police Chief David Brown.

One person is in custody, Dallas police said, following an exchange of gunfire with Dallas SWAT officers late Thursday. Dallas police said a suspicious package was located near that person, and the package is being investigated by bomb squad personnel.

We believe that these suspects were positioning themselves to triangulate on our officers and planned to injure and kill as many law enforcement officers as they could," Brown said at a press conference Thursday night.
NBC
Dead following a protest and rally for those dead black men in the police shootings. Now police are shot. So sad.
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CobaltBlu
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States919 Posts
July 08 2016 05:06 GMT
#84024
The killing of police officers is terrible and the worst thing that could be happening right now. All it does is make it harder to have the conversation we need to have about how law enforcement is interacting with communities in America today. Too sad.
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2016 05:08 GMT
#84025
there's a video of the shooter rushing an officer, killing him point blank in the back....holy shit...
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46401 Posts
July 08 2016 05:14 GMT
#84026
On July 08 2016 14:08 Doraemon wrote:
there's a video of the shooter rushing an officer, killing him point blank in the back....holy shit...


Can the video be posted here?
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 08 2016 05:17 GMT
#84027
On July 08 2016 14:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:08 Doraemon wrote:
there's a video of the shooter rushing an officer, killing him point blank in the back....holy shit...


Can the video be posted here?

you can find it in the sub reddit of the "thin skinned" dude
© Current year.
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
July 08 2016 05:22 GMT
#84028
On July 08 2016 14:14 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:08 Doraemon wrote:
there's a video of the shooter rushing an officer, killing him point blank in the back....holy shit...


Can the video be posted here?


it's very chilling. the shooter is behind a pillar firing to the left, a cop comes up to the next pillar in the row to the right (behind the shooter). but just as the cop reaches the pillar he ducks down and looks around the right side of it. the shooter went around the left side when the cop was looking around the right side and shoots the cop in the back at least twice from no more than 5 feet away, probably closer, and then shoots him again when he's on the ground. i wish i hadn't watched it.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 05:23 GMT
#84029
Jesus.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
July 08 2016 05:25 GMT
#84030
On July 08 2016 14:08 Doraemon wrote:
there's a video of the shooter rushing an officer, killing him point blank in the back....holy shit...

That shooter is definitely military.
dude bro.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 05:28:02
July 08 2016 05:27 GMT
#84031
Never mind saw better version of the video
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States6477 Posts
July 08 2016 05:27 GMT
#84032
This could be its own thread, right (Orlando was)? It's just that we were in here when it started?
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
July 08 2016 05:36 GMT
#84033
the one guy thats cornered said hes going to shoot more cops and that there are bombs all around...
© Current year.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 05:41 GMT
#84034
What a mess
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
July 08 2016 05:45 GMT
#84035
On July 08 2016 14:36 CorsairHero wrote:
the one guy thats cornered said hes going to shoot more cops and that there are bombs all around...



And that "the end is near", sounds/looks like PTSD mixed with some other mental health issue.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
July 08 2016 05:46 GMT
#84036
On July 08 2016 14:27 oBlade wrote:
This could be its own thread, right (Orlando was)? It's just that we were in here when it started?

Nah. IMO it's just another reason to bump the "If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting happened and people disagree on what to do" thread.

To be brutally and completely honest, I have been waiting for something like this to happen. It was only a matter of time until someone goes "vigilante mode" and shoots a bunch of police officers to extract "justice for the fallen". There's a new police murder or brutality case every couple weeks and in nearly all of them the Cop is in the wrong.
It's really hard to blame the cop completely though. Because in nearly every single one of the shootings, the victim is armed. Police in the USA get to deal with the world's most heavily armed civilian population and that absolutely makes every single traffic stop or arrest infinitely riskier and more stressful.

My personal opinion is all the police shooting cases and every mass shooting is a direct result of POTUS, The Senate and Congress doing nothing to fix the glaringly obvious gun problem.
In Hearthstone we pray to RNGesus. When Yogg-Saron hits the field, RNGod gets to work
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 05:46 GMT
#84037
What the hell is going on in your country???????????????????
sorry for dem one liners
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 05:48:39
July 08 2016 05:47 GMT
#84038




Watching the press conference it's pretty clear no one knows what the motives are yet
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5080 Posts
July 08 2016 05:48 GMT
#84039
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
NukeD
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia1612 Posts
July 08 2016 05:49 GMT
#84040
On July 08 2016 14:46 Orcasgt24 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:27 oBlade wrote:
This could be its own thread, right (Orlando was)? It's just that we were in here when it started?

Nah. IMO it's just another reason to bump the "If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting happened and people disagree on what to do" thread.

To be brutally and completely honest, I have been waiting for something like this to happen. It was only a matter of time until someone goes "vigilante mode" and shoots a bunch of police officers to extract "justice for the fallen". There's a new police murder or brutality case every couple weeks and in nearly all of them the Cop is in the wrong.
It's really hard to blame the cop completely though. Because in nearly every single one of the shootings, the victim is armed. Police in the USA get to deal with the world's most heavily armed civilian population and that absolutely makes every single traffic stop or arrest infinitely riskier and more stressful.

My personal opinion is all the police shooting cases and every mass shooting is a direct result of POTUS, The Senate and Congress doing nothing to fix the glaringly obvious gun problem.

I actually thought that in most cases it turns out that the cops were in the right, like 90% of times.
sorry for dem one liners
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