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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
July 08 2016 05:55 GMT
#84041
On July 08 2016 14:49 NukeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:46 Orcasgt24 wrote:
On July 08 2016 14:27 oBlade wrote:
This could be its own thread, right (Orlando was)? It's just that we were in here when it started?

Nah. IMO it's just another reason to bump the "If you're seeing this topic then another mass shooting happened and people disagree on what to do" thread.

To be brutally and completely honest, I have been waiting for something like this to happen. It was only a matter of time until someone goes "vigilante mode" and shoots a bunch of police officers to extract "justice for the fallen". There's a new police murder or brutality case every couple weeks and in nearly all of them the Cop is in the wrong.
It's really hard to blame the cop completely though. Because in nearly every single one of the shootings, the victim is armed. Police in the USA get to deal with the world's most heavily armed civilian population and that absolutely makes every single traffic stop or arrest infinitely riskier and more stressful.

My personal opinion is all the police shooting cases and every mass shooting is a direct result of POTUS, The Senate and Congress doing nothing to fix the glaringly obvious gun problem.

I actually thought that in most cases it turns out that the cops were in the right, like 90% of times.


99%+ if you take their word for it. Part of the problem is that basically anything is a justification.

Also they can do everything wrong up until the point they "justly" shoot someone and it's still considered a legit shoot.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5592 Posts
July 08 2016 05:55 GMT
#84042
On July 08 2016 14:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.

The one who sounded psychotic with the "bombs everywhere" talk? If possible, they should flashbang and gas that guy until he passes out so these people can all be skewered publicly by the justice system. I also hope they got the right people in the Mercedes since I guess the open-carry guy from earlier wasn't involved.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 06:03:05
July 08 2016 05:56 GMT
#84043
On July 08 2016 14:55 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.

The one who sounded psychotic with the "bombs everywhere" talk? If possible, they should flashbang and gas that guy until he passes out so these people can all be skewered publicly by the justice system. I also hope they got the right people in the Mercedes since I guess the open-carry guy from earlier wasn't involved.



Did I miss him mention that the open carry guy wasn't involved, because I still see his picture on their twitter?

Also F**k Drudge Report.

On July 08 2016 14:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I gotta say I've never seen as much misinformation and stupid things being said on Twitter as I have about this, from media accounts and regular people. It's disheartening because up until now the mix between bullshit and good info on twitter about rapidly developing events has been pretty even in my experience, tonight it's like 90% bullshit 10% facts.


My feed's just been people correcting media and pop figures bullshit. Suppose it depends on who's in your network.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 08 2016 05:57 GMT
#84044
I gotta say I've never seen as much misinformation and stupid things being said on Twitter as I have about this, from media accounts and regular people. It's disheartening because up until now the mix between bullshit and good info on twitter about rapidly developing events has been pretty even in my experience, tonight it's like 90% bullshit 10% facts.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 06:02 GMT
#84045
The former Hostage Negotiator on MSNBC said it best. A country with 320 million people but also 300 million guns. It's not just a math problem but a social problem as well.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 08 2016 06:04 GMT
#84046
On July 08 2016 14:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:55 oBlade wrote:
On July 08 2016 14:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.

The one who sounded psychotic with the "bombs everywhere" talk? If possible, they should flashbang and gas that guy until he passes out so these people can all be skewered publicly by the justice system. I also hope they got the right people in the Mercedes since I guess the open-carry guy from earlier wasn't involved.



Did I miss him mention that the open carry guy wasn't involved, because I still see his picture on their twitter?

Also F**k Drudge Report.

Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:57 DeepElemBlues wrote:
I gotta say I've never seen as much misinformation and stupid things being said on Twitter as I have about this, from media accounts and regular people. It's disheartening because up until now the mix between bullshit and good info on twitter about rapidly developing events has been pretty even in my experience, tonight it's like 90% bullshit 10% facts.


My feed's just been people correcting media and pop figures bullshit. Suppose it depends on who's in your network.


i don't have twitter so i just go from the top feed and the live feed of whatever i search for


no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 06:11 GMT
#84047
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5592 Posts
July 08 2016 06:18 GMT
#84048
On July 08 2016 14:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:55 oBlade wrote:
On July 08 2016 14:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.

The one who sounded psychotic with the "bombs everywhere" talk? If possible, they should flashbang and gas that guy until he passes out so these people can all be skewered publicly by the justice system. I also hope they got the right people in the Mercedes since I guess the open-carry guy from earlier wasn't involved.



Did I miss him mention that the open carry guy wasn't involved, because I still see his picture on their twitter?

Also Fuck Drudge Report.

MSNBC has now said that, but I don't know that we've heard from the PD. Though I would think they're probably too busy to bother.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
July 08 2016 06:23 GMT
#84049
On July 08 2016 15:18 oBlade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 14:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 14:55 oBlade wrote:
On July 08 2016 14:48 DeepElemBlues wrote:
Dallas police chief said there are at least 4 suspects and they aren't sure that there aren't more. 1 in the parking garage, 2 who drove away in a Mercedes from the scene at high speed and were apprehended, and a woman. The chief said all 4 had rifles and appeared to be working together and had a plan, that it appeared they had foreknowledge of the protest route and at least 2 took elevated sniper positions along the route.

The chief also basically said that he and the mayor are going to be making the decision whether to keep negotiating or to send in SWAT to take the guy out very soon.

The one who sounded psychotic with the "bombs everywhere" talk? If possible, they should flashbang and gas that guy until he passes out so these people can all be skewered publicly by the justice system. I also hope they got the right people in the Mercedes since I guess the open-carry guy from earlier wasn't involved.



Did I miss him mention that the open carry guy wasn't involved, because I still see his picture on their twitter?

Also Fuck Drudge Report.

MSNBC has now said that, but I don't know that we've heard from the PD. Though I would think they're probably too busy to bother.


They know he's innocent, if they had time to put it up they got time to take it down. The video of him handing over his gun like his brother said was out 4 hrs ago, he turned himself in, they need to get it down.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 06:27:23
July 08 2016 06:26 GMT
#84050
Explosion just heard at Parking Garage.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
DeepElemBlues
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5079 Posts
July 08 2016 06:29 GMT
#84051
On July 08 2016 15:11 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
https://twitter.com/AndyCole84/status/751278321418182658


that's real stupid.
no place i'd rather be than the satellite of love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
July 08 2016 06:46 GMT
#84052
Are they rooting for war? Shouldn't they at least find out who actually did the shooting first?

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 06:48 GMT
#84053
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 06:49 GMT
#84054
Did a bomb actually go off?

This isn't even war it's just domestic terrorism at this point
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 06:52 GMT
#84055
Okay MSNBC time to sub off Brian Williams the anchor is now claiming an urban army is in Dallas etc.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 07:08:15
July 08 2016 06:54 GMT
#84056
On July 08 2016 15:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Okay MSNBC time to sub off Brian Williams the anchor is now claiming an urban army is in Dallas etc.


Im just assuming they called him after he already took his ambien, and he just did some lines to come on, hense the sniffling.

EDIT: It's gone up to 5 police officers killed.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
July 08 2016 07:09 GMT
#84057
This is hilarious. Civies get gunned down, profiled, rights stomped on, and you don't hear much, and if you do there's a ton of victim-blaming and deference to totalitarian asshats. Suddenly, a few get killed and shot, and you hear cries war and mass outrage. Some animals are more important on the animal farm - don't you know? By the way, this goes way beyond any black or white shit. Cops are out of control. How soon we have forgotten how they burned alive Christopher Dorner and how corrupt and criminal the LA guys are. When you militarize the police and subjugate the population it's only a matter of time until something like this happens unless of course your citizens are emasculated (read: gun control).

I wonder how many people would sign up for the NKVD (read: cops) if they all feared not coming home after every stop. There is certainly no political will to reign in the militarization of police in this country and no accountability by local authorities. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn teachings won't go to waste.

Just like Dorner the cops are going to spin this as "fear for your safety!!!!" when the only people they're going after are the police.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
July 08 2016 07:10 GMT
#84058
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
CorsairHero
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada9491 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 07:26:30
July 08 2016 07:12 GMT
#84059
nvm news wasnt correct
© Current year.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 07:16:47
July 08 2016 07:16 GMT
#84060
On July 08 2016 16:09 Wegandi wrote:
This is hilarious. Civies get gunned down, profiled, rights stomped on, and you don't hear much, and if you do there's a ton of victim-blaming and deference to totalitarian asshats. Suddenly, a few get killed and shot, and you hear cries war and mass outrage. Some animals are more important on the animal farm - don't you know? By the way, this goes way beyond any black or white shit. Cops are out of control. How soon we have forgotten how they burned alive Christopher Dorner and how corrupt and criminal the LA guys are. When you militarize the police and subjugate the population it's only a matter of time until something like this happens unless of course your citizens are emasculated (read: gun control).

I wonder how many people would sign up for the NKVD (read: cops) if they all feared not coming home after every stop. There is certainly no political will to reign in the militarization of police in this country and no accountability by local authorities. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn teachings won't go to waste.

Just like Dorner the cops are going to spin this as "fear for your safety!!!!" when the only people they're going after are the police.


I think the main reason is due to how paranoid this country is about everything. The Police have been trained to think everyone is a threat yet they have not been trained in basic first aid or even calming down situations rather it seems they go for their gun as the Thin Blue Line is rarely messed with. And are infallible.

Just wait till the Politicians running for office get a hold of this.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
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