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As a black male, I'm not worried. I'm not scared. I don't feel anything except pity. If I had to admit any fear or worry, it is for my friends around the country that are white. I fear that they will get caught up in the senselessness of this mess. I worry that I will fail to protect them from the stupidity that is gripping this nation.
To all minorities, if you want change, become the change. If you want white cops out of your neighborhood, then teach your children that it is a respectable profession. If you want to see the end of this, then teach those around you to understand, come to terms, and not turn a blind eye. If you truly desire a new America, where we abide and live the ideals of the founding fathers, then feel. You cannot sit there in your safe boxes and scream justice should be done if you yourself are not seeking it. You cannot condemn nor condone those who are fighting, for either side. They have made up their minds. They know where they stand.
To all white people, if you truly believe that all lives matter and that black lives matter, and that brown lives matter, and that yellow lives matter, then stand beside them. Stand in defiance of the brainwashed. Stand in solidarity with those that are fighting. Stand as one and all with those that wish to see this country achieve the potential and respect the world knows we are capable of.
Personally, I am numb. I don't care. There is nothing worth risking my or my family's lives over in this country. I see the news and I keep scrolling. I read a post here and there. I feel a twinge of something in my chest, but it is soon gone. For I know it will continue unabated until those with power and influence acknowledge the problem. I know that any day could be my last, as I walk "blackly" down the street on my way to school or work. I don't drive for this very reason. I live as close as possible to where I work and learn to avoid this type of situation. Call me what you will. I will shoulder it and live on. I will love on. My best friend is white. The woman I love is white. My sister is currently dating a white male. I've seen and experienced all.
I'm rambling. I don't know what the morning brings, but I do know that I will face it with the dignity that I have earned. And the respect I have commanded from those who know me. I'll leave with these two quotes from an anime series I know and love;
Hi Wa Mata Noburo "The Sun Will Rise Tomorrow"
and
"Before dawn.
The night is darkest just before dawn.
If you avert your eyes from the dark, you'll be blind to the rays of a new day.
So keep your eyes open, no matter how dark the night ahead may be."
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On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country.
How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone?
Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces.
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Kxas: Shooter has been neutralized.
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apparently he committed suicide
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On July 08 2016 16:21 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country. How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone? Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces.
Domestic terrorism? How many gun deaths happen in the US every day, honestly. Last number that estimated around 90. A warzone is terrorists storming a mall in Kenya, Mosul in Iraq and so forth. Not 4 possibly ex-military suspects doing revenge killing.
And for fuck sake the Chief of Police nor the mayor have used the term warzone. This is news anchors trying to fill the void of time by pure speculation.
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On July 08 2016 16:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 16:21 zeo wrote:On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country. How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone? Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces. Domestic terrorism? How many gun deaths happen in the US every day, honestly. Last number that estimated around 90. A warzone is terrorists storming a mall in Kenya, Mogul in Iraq and so forth. Not 4 possibly ex-military suspects doing revenge killing.
The two in the Mercedes and the one in the garage who's the fourth again? (getting tired)
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On July 08 2016 16:35 CorsairHero wrote:camo guys give an interview + Show Spoiler +https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X78hoKSXAcQ&feature=youtu.be
Still up on the PD's twitter (and elsewhere) as a suspect. Like wtf?
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According to that interview apparently they won't do it until the investigation is over which is really really dumb.
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On July 08 2016 16:09 Wegandi wrote:
This is hilarious. Civies get gunned down, profiled, rights stomped on, and you don't hear much, and if you do there's a ton of victim-blaming and deference to totalitarian asshats. Suddenly, a few get killed and shot, and you hear cries war and mass outrage. Some animals are more important on the animal farm - don't you know? By the way, this goes way beyond any black or white shit. Cops are out of control. How soon we have forgotten how they burned alive Christopher Dorner and how corrupt and criminal the LA guys are. When you militarize the police and subjugate the population it's only a matter of time until something like this happens unless of course your citizens are emasculated (read: gun control).
Christopher Dorner was also a cop, and since he declared war on police, that would make him out of control. He targeted people's families and died from shooting himself in the head. Deserves no memorial.
On July 08 2016 16:09 Wegandi wrote:
I wonder how many people would sign up for the NKVD (read: cops) if they all feared not coming home after every stop. There is certainly no political will to reign in the militarization of police in this country and no accountability by local authorities. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn teachings won't go to waste.
Just like Dorner the cops are going to spin this as "fear for your safety!!!!" when the only people they're going after are the police.
What's wrong with Dallas police? At least one citizen was shot tonight, as you might expect when people start a firefight at a public demonstration in a densely packed city.
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On July 08 2016 16:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 16:21 zeo wrote:On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country. How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone? Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces. Domestic terrorism? How many gun deaths happen in the US every day, honestly. Last number that estimated around 90. A warzone is terrorists storming a mall in Kenya, Mosul in Iraq and so forth. Not 4 possibly ex-military suspects doing revenge killing. And for fuck sake the Chief of Police nor the mayor have used the term warzone. This is news anchors trying to fill the void of time by pure speculation.
These guys are more trained than 90% of the people fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq. They pulled off a highly coordinated attack directly aiming to kill as many police officers as possible. This is a cause for alarm in any country.
You can not blame the media for saying words like chaos and war-zone, I'm sure reporters on the scene were scared for their lives and it probably looked like that to them.
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On July 08 2016 16:43 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 16:33 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:On July 08 2016 16:21 zeo wrote:On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country. How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone? Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces. Domestic terrorism? How many gun deaths happen in the US every day, honestly. Last number that estimated around 90. A warzone is terrorists storming a mall in Kenya, Mosul in Iraq and so forth. Not 4 possibly ex-military suspects doing revenge killing. And for fuck sake the Chief of Police nor the mayor have used the term warzone. This is news anchors trying to fill the void of time by pure speculation. These guys are more trained than 90% of the people fighting for ISIS in Syria and Iraq. They pulled off a highly coordinated attack directly aiming to kill as many police officers as possible. This is a cause for alarm in any country. You can not blame the media for saying words like chaos and war-zone, I'm sure reporters on the scene were scared for their lives and it probably looked like that to them.
Part of a widespread problem is bumping things up to 10, then not having anything to describe things when they get worse. On that point alone they shouldn't call it a warzone. But there's been a "War on Christmas" for a decade so I suppose that went out the window a while ago.
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On July 08 2016 16:21 zeo wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 15:48 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
In the US Media in a nutshell which is fear sells. Responsible coverage is for the other news outlets usually out of the country. How do you responsibly cover 11 police officers being sniped and 4 killed without using words like chaos and warzone? Does this happen every day? Concentrated numbers of cops being ambushed and killed? That guy that came around the piller and shot that cop was using a tactical maneuver called 'slicing the pie'. These guys aren't run of the mill 'fuck the police' gangbanger thugs, but clearly trained against fighting military/police forces.
i didnt see any "slicing the pie" in that video, what are u talking about
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On July 08 2016 16:09 Wegandi wrote:
This is hilarious. Civies get gunned down, profiled, rights stomped on, and you don't hear much, and if you do there's a ton of victim-blaming and deference to totalitarian asshats.
Do...do we live in the same country? I mean every time a minority( black mostly, to be frank) gets shot by the police these days there is an uproar. The circumstances around the situation have become meaningless. Was it a white cop? Was it a black individual? Yes to those?! UPROAR. The fact that guns are involved on the victims is totally unimportant now. It went from unarmed black people to just black people in general. Goal posts are shifting. It's like nothing is a justified shooting anymore which is, frankly, insanity.
Suddenly, a few get killed and shot, and you hear cries war and mass outrage. Some animals are more important on the animal farm - don't you know? By the way, this goes way beyond any black or white shit. Cops are out of control. How soon we have forgotten how they burned alive Christopher Dorner and how corrupt and criminal the LA guys are. When you militarize the police and subjugate the population it's only a matter of time until something like this happens unless of course your citizens are emasculated (read: gun control).
Somebody systematically targeting any group is cause for concern. You're clearly okay with cops being killed right? So what do you think happens if this keeps happening? That you target what you proclaim as a militarized police force? You think it's going to end well?
It won't. For anyone. Not only that but I am going to go out on a limb here and say that the five cops that got killed out there probably weren't overtly racist or "subjugated" the population. I feel okay going out on this limb because the vast vast majority of police officers aren't racist ass holes. So what the fuck does this senseless killing solve? It doesn't solve a fucking thing and it pisses me off that you apparently think this will achieve some goal.
I wonder how many people would sign up for the NKVD (read: cops) if they all feared not coming home after every stop. There is certainly no political will to reign in the militarization of police in this country and no accountability by local authorities. Perhaps Solzhenitsyn teachings won't go to waste.
Just like Dorner the cops are going to spin this as "fear for your safety!!!!" when the only people they're going after are the police.
Cool so let's just kill every cop. Let's leave all of their families without fathers and mothers for no other reason than that they are the police. It doesn't matter what good they've done, why they signed up, or whether they actually uphold the law to the best of their ability. Fuck em, they're police. Inherently bad.
You're probably the first poster on this site that has legitimately pissed me off with this shortsighted anarchistic thinking. You have no regard for the families of the officers that have been killed in the name of some uprising that is not going to fucking happen.
I don't think you want to live in a country without Police. Those countries? They don't turn out well.
Those Police Officers that get indicted for Murder because they fucked up? Good. I hope they rot in prison for the rest of their lives. On the flip side I don't think you want a country where these "cop" killers run out of targets. I guarantee you they won't suddenly "stop."
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I'm not pro cop killer by any stretch, but Dallas PD are being total assholes right now.
EDIT:Since some people will assume the worst.
These cops didn't deserve to die like they did period. As wrong as all the stuff is they shouldn't be murdered in the streets any more than any of their victims. My thoughts are with those that lost someone, but they still have a job to do, and protecting the innocent man they are still spreading around as a suspect is one of them.
This is why people say all the body cams and training in the world won't fix what they are doing to that man right now.
People want to tell black people to put their rights on hold, but they can't tell the police to do their job?
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On July 08 2016 17:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not pro cop killer by any stretch, but Dallas PD are being total assholes right now.
How the hell do you expect an organization to react when a group of maniacs set up on a roof and use their members for target practise? They are not gonna be happy about it and will go seeking blood in retaliation. That's human nature.
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On July 08 2016 17:44 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 16:09 Wegandi wrote:
This is hilarious. Civies get gunned down, profiled, rights stomped on, and you don't hear much, and if you do there's a ton of victim-blaming and deference to totalitarian asshats.
Do...do we live in the same country? I mean every time a minority( black mostly, to be frank) gets shot by the police these days there is an uproar.
not defending literally anything at all, but
if the right people were receptive to that uproar, this whole thing would've gotten better long ago
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On July 08 2016 18:02 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 17:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not pro cop killer by any stretch, but Dallas PD are being total assholes right now. How the hell do you expect an organization to react when a group of maniacs set up on a roof and use their members for target practise? They are not gonna be happy about it and will go seeking blood in retaliation. That's human nature.
Wut?
They aren't an "organization" like a dart club at a pub. They are the police. Besides that they've got almost all the information they put out about the shooters wrong at least once so far.
Beyond that, the police haven't said anything about why the people did what they did. The only clue was "The end is near" which isn't something coming out of BLM.
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How do you demilitarise the police when you have a population that prides itself on being militarised? Frankly, I don't think it's possible.
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On July 08 2016 18:02 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 17:56 GreenHorizons wrote:
I'm not pro cop killer by any stretch, but Dallas PD are being total assholes right now. How the hell do you expect an organization to react when a group of maniacs set up on a roof and use their members for target practise? They are not gonna be happy about it and will go seeking blood in retaliation. That's human nature.
And i dont think it is wrong that we hold cops to a higher stranded then just "any" other organization. Cause last time i checked not just any organization is legally allowed to take your life if they deem is necessary. Personally i think its kind of chilling if you believe that they should be able to seek a blood price for a perceived wrong.
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