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GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 01:04 GMT
#83921
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


True but no way he gettin shot
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 01:07 GMT
#83922
On July 08 2016 09:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God damn Don Lemon crushed this



I do that anyways -shrug-

Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2016 01:10 GMT
#83923
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


True but no way he gettin shot


when i go through breathalyzer, the last thing i should be thinking about is getting shot by the cop.
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
July 08 2016 01:11 GMT
#83924
On July 08 2016 10:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 09:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God damn Don Lemon crushed this

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/751138125943021568


I do that anyways -shrug-

Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?


i think it's more out of fear than compliance
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 01:13 GMT
#83925
On July 08 2016 10:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 09:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God damn Don Lemon crushed this

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/751138125943021568


I do that anyways -shrug-

Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?

No. I treat cops with the exact same amount of respect I treat random people. If I feel they pulled me over for no reason, I'm not polite.

And you are like the other two commentators. They say they do are polite too, likes its automatic. While Don Lemon is trying to tell them "I do it so they don't kill me." That during the encounter with the cop he could die and nothing would happen to the police officer because "he was scared for his life and had to shoot the impolite black man." That is the dynamic black people have with police in the US. They are one "fuck up" away from dying
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 01:19:56
July 08 2016 01:13 GMT
#83926
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


You try to avoid making ANY traffic infractions whatsoever while you have panic attacks when cops follows you, you let them treat you as subhuman, you let them violate your rights, you avoid getting too excited in their presence (as they can't distinguish it from rage often), you make sure all your lights and parts work, you never move without first announcing it and doing it very slowly (whether or not you're just following a command), you avoid eye contact (this almost always provokes a confrontation), Always keep your hands visible, if you're carrying a gun, ask them to remove it from you during questioning, always consent to searches legal or not, avoid having white women in your car (if you're male), try to avoid encounters in sparsely populated areas.

Basically you take every excuse you've ever heard for a cop getting off for murder/abuse and avoid doing that. Whenever you slip up and accidentally act human, you apologize profusely and remind them you're complying the best you can. Don't follow any of those instructions (or any I'm forgetting at the moment/regionally specific), you dramatically increase the likelihood of confrontation/harassment/abuse/being killed.

It feels like we're being terrorized. People can dismiss that if they want, but ask just about any black person whether they are more scared of the police (bad ones) or ISIS, 9 out of 10 or more would say the police. The last "ISIS" shooter went out of his way to try not to kill us, the police aren't even giving us that. They're actively opposing basic measures to prevent it.

EDIT: And yeah the stuff plan, the guys friend, and Don Lemon said. One of few segments of his that didn't end with me saying "f**k you Don Lemon"
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37110 Posts
July 08 2016 01:13 GMT
#83927
Let's try to keep the discussions as civil as possible. This thread is starting to devolve into a shit-fest.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46402 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 01:18:41
July 08 2016 01:18 GMT
#83928
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


True but no way he gettin shot


I wish.

I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 08 2016 01:18 GMT
#83929
On July 08 2016 10:07 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 09:43 OuchyDathurts wrote:
God damn Don Lemon crushed this

https://twitter.com/CNNnewsroom/status/751138125943021568


I do that anyways -shrug-

Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?


It's not about being a dick though. Some people know their rights and exercise those rights. They know that a cop is full of shit and trying to illegally search them or asking them questions they don't need to answer. Those people are well within their rights to do that and keep cops in check, but police don't like that. They'd prefer people kowtow to whatever they want them to. That's not how any of this is supposed to work, people aren't supposed to be subservient to a cops every wish and demand, people have rights. But its way easier for a random white guy to flex those rights and give some push back than it is for a black guy to do the same thing. In theory they both have the exact same rights but one of those people is taking his life into his own hands by doing so. That's why it's "yes sir, no sir" and no sudden movements, that's why people with black children (Even if that parent is white as the pure driven snow) has to have "the talk" with their kid. That is a problem. No one should have to give the "Yes massa" treatment to a cop because they fear for their life if they don't. That's not how citizens should have to live in a country that purports to be free. Be nice and courteous to people because its the right way to be, not because you're terrified of the consequences of failure to do so.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 01:21:41
July 08 2016 01:20 GMT
#83930
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


True but no way he gettin shot


I wish.

I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.


We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
July 08 2016 01:22 GMT
#83931
There should be like a built-in dampener in this thread so that when people post 360 times within 10 hours you start getting a timer between posts for each user.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 08 2016 01:25 GMT
#83932
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
OuchyDathurts
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4588 Posts
July 08 2016 01:26 GMT
#83933
On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.


That kid's level of bravery is unfathomable. Completely heartbreaking.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2016 01:29 GMT
#83934
On July 08 2016 10:26 OuchyDathurts wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.


That kid's level of bravery is unfathomable. Completely heartbreaking.

I couldn't even make it that far. This shit is upsetting enough.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46402 Posts
July 08 2016 01:29 GMT
#83935
On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.


Yeah that one got me too x.x
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24342 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 01:34:22
July 08 2016 01:30 GMT
#83936
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


And once you realize that, you realize how many of the pocket constitution folks are full of it when it goes beyond white people, otherwise these problems would have been solved already.

They still don't see it, but when you accept the reality that black people in the US live under you realize why it's hard to see it as anything other than blatant racism that's still basically okay in most public spaces.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 01:34:51
July 08 2016 01:33 GMT
#83937
The State Department is reopening an internal investigation of possible mishandling of classified information by Hillary Clinton and top aides, officials told The Associated Press on Thursday.

Although the former secretary of state's closest confidants have left the agency, they could still face punishment. The most serious is the loss of security clearances, which could complicate her aides' hopes of securing top positions on her national security team if she becomes president.

The State Department started its review in January after declaring 22 emails from Clinton's private server to be "top secret." It was suspended in April so as not to interfere with the FBI's inquiry. State Department spokesman John Kirby said the probe is restarting after the Justice Department's announcement Wednesday that it won't bring any criminal charges.

"We will aim to be as expeditious as possible, but we will not put artificial deadlines on the process," Kirby said. "Our goal will be to be as transparent as possible about our results, while complying with our various legal obligations."

Kirby wouldn't say anything more about the precise information officials are evaluating. But when the probe was launched almost six months ago, officials said it pertained particularly to a set of emails that were upgraded to one of the nation's highest classification levels. One question they said they were investigating was whether any of the emails were classified at the time of transmission.

Additionally Thursday, Republican lawmakers said they would now ask the FBI to investigate whether Clinton lied to the committee. That announcement came in a testy hearing with FBI Director James Comey, who defended the government's decision not to prosecute Clinton over her private email setup.

Clinton was secretary of state until early 2013. Most of her top advisers left shortly thereafter.

But Kirby said this week former officials can still face punishment. Options range from counseling and warnings to the revocation of an individual's security clearance.

Beyond the Democratic front-runner, the probe is will most likely examine confidants Cheryl Mills, Jake Sullivan and Huma Abedin — who wrote many of the emails to their boss that the various investigations have focused on. Mills, Clinton's chief of staff at the State Department, has been viewed as a possibility for the same job in the White House. There is speculation that Sullivan, Clinton's former policy chief, could be national security adviser.

"There could be repercussions," Kirby told reporters Wednesday, saying infractions identified would be kept on file. If someone's security clearance is taken away, he said it would have an effect "assuming that individual still needed the clearance to work in another federal agency or something like that."

The State Department says it won't identify former officials that still hold security clearances. But in an email Fox News made public earlier this year, the department described Mills as still holding a valid clearance.

Source
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
July 08 2016 01:34 GMT
#83938
On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.


Link?
Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11607 Posts
July 08 2016 01:40 GMT
#83939
On July 08 2016 10:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me.


Link?

Twitter is moving fast, but I found it again.


Ugh. Words can't express.
Moderator5000 of our finest Taliban warriors have been released! Rise up my brothers. Mashalla! al-Donald ibn-Frederick al-Masih allows it.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46402 Posts
July 08 2016 01:46 GMT
#83940
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that


Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.


no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up


True but no way he gettin shot


I wish.

I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.


We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?


Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
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