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On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [quote]
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
Yea and just calling people who support good cops risking their lives to protect you and the community racists isn't going to help either.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:
On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [quote]
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote: [quote]
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
Yea and just calling people who support good cops risking their lives to protect you and the community racists isn't going to help either.
Like was outlined, they could do that by saying Black Lives Matter, there's no need for Blue lives matter period.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote: [quote]
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
Yea and just calling people who support good cops risking their lives to protect you and the community racists isn't going to help either.
That isn't what he did. You seem to hearing want you want.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I agree, but it's never claimed as both... it always ends up being a response to Black Lives Matter, especially since the people who say All/ Blue Lives Matter as a response to Black Lives Matter completely miss the point of Black Lives Matter... that no one is saying that other lives *don't* matter. By saying Black, they're not saying Not Blue/ Not Other. It's just that the Blue/ Other lives aren't being persecuted against in the same way. I like this analogy:
I think part of the problem has to do with the very phrase 'Black Lives Matter' being a pretty shitty slogan to rally behind. From the get-go before you even know what the message is, it's already charged with racial tension of 'us vs them'. That and the fact that it's so disorganized and tends to do really shitty things that hinder the good intentions behind it's conception.
Something needs to be done but the way BLM often goes about it is self-detrimental to it's own ends.
I think that the racial tension and the "us vs. them" mentality existed long before the recent movement was coined as Black Lives Matter. Based on the history of violence and oppression aimed towards blacks in this country, it's pretty much *always* been "us vs. them", and it's been 100% caused by the oppressors and privileged people, not the blacks.
I definitely agree with you that BLM has messed up in some situations, but the overarching movement is absolutely necessary right now, and it's honestly embarrassing that there's still such an insane level of prejudice against minorities.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote: [quote]
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
Yea and just calling people who support good cops risking their lives to protect you and the community racists isn't going to help either.
That isn't what he did. You seem to hearing want you want.
On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote: can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:
On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote: [quote]
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
Yea and just calling people who support good cops risking their lives to protect you and the community racists isn't going to help either.
He didn't say that though. The group of people who support good cops is not the same as the group of people who insist that we should be saying Blue Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter. (He said the latter, while you responded to the former.)
Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him.
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I agree, but it's never claimed as both... it always ends up being a response to Black Lives Matter, especially since the people who say All/ Blue Lives Matter as a response to Black Lives Matter completely miss the point of Black Lives Matter... that no one is saying that other lives *don't* matter. By saying Black, they're not saying Not Blue/ Not Other. It's just that the Blue/ Other lives aren't being persecuted against in the same way. I like this analogy:
I think part of the problem has to do with the very phrase 'Black Lives Matter' being a pretty shitty slogan to rally behind. From the get-go before you even know what the message is, it's already charged with racial tension of 'us vs them'. That and the fact that it's so disorganized and tends to do really shitty things that hinder the good intentions behind it's conception.
Something needs to be done but the way BLM often goes about it is self-detrimental to it's own ends.
I think that the racial tension and the "us vs. them" mentality existed long before the recent movement was coined as Black Lives Matter. Based on the history of violence and oppression aimed towards blacks in this country, it's pretty much *always* been "us vs. them", and it's been 100% caused by the oppressors and privileged people, not the blacks.
10,000 times this^
It's always been us vs them police have never not been like this. This is actually the best they've ever behaved, even though people act like this started when the videos started showing up.
no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up
True but no way he gettin shot
I wish.
I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop.
We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start?
Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I agree, but it's never claimed as both... it always ends up being a response to Black Lives Matter, especially since the people who say All/ Blue Lives Matter as a response to Black Lives Matter completely miss the point of Black Lives Matter... that no one is saying that other lives *don't* matter. By saying Black, they're not saying Not Blue/ Not Other. It's just that the Blue/ Other lives aren't being persecuted against in the same way. I like this analogy:
I think part of the problem has to do with the very phrase 'Black Lives Matter' being a pretty shitty slogan to rally behind. From the get-go before you even know what the message is, it's already charged with racial tension of 'us vs them'. That and the fact that it's so disorganized and tends to do really shitty things that hinder the good intentions behind it's conception.
Something needs to be done but the way BLM often goes about it is self-detrimental to it's own ends.
I think that the racial tension and the "us vs. them" mentality existed long before the recent movement was coined as Black Lives Matter. Based on the history of violence and oppression aimed towards blacks in this country, it's pretty much *always* been "us vs. them", and it's been 100% caused by the oppressors and privileged people, not the blacks.
10,000 times this^
It's always been us vs them police have never not been like this. This is actually the best they've ever behaved, even though people act like this started when the videos started showing up.
do you think it's way worse for black males than females?
On July 08 2016 09:43 OuchyDathurts wrote: God damn Don Lemon crushed this
I do that anyways -shrug-
Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?
No. I treat cops with the exact same amount of respect I treat random people. If I feel they pulled me over for no reason, I'm not polite.
This is just stupid. I mean it's your prerogative to do this, but is there any actual reasoning behind it or is it just big talk for the internet?
I'm Australian. We don't have the same kinds of problems with our police force as America, but I'm more polite/courteous to cops (even when I'm being inconvenienced) than a random person for a few reasons. a) I'm not a dick b) They're doing tough but necessary work and I want them to continue doing so c) They have the ability to seriously fuck up my day if I act like a dick to them d) I'm not a dick
Even if it "feels" like you've been pulled over for no reason, they probably have one and even if they don't being respectful and courteous will absolutely minimise the chance that you have any issues. Why wouldn't you want that?
That said, the Minneapolis incident looks absolutely awful. Absolutely abhorrent police work at best.
Starting to sound like police might have shot someone who just looked suspicious too. That's not going to help. At this point it could be Russian spies intentionally stirring unrest for all we know right now.
If they don't find who shot these cops with 100% certainty, there's going to be some serious problems.
Do most people just act like dicks to cops or something?
No. I treat cops with the exact same amount of respect I treat random people. If I feel they pulled me over for no reason, I'm not polite.
This is just stupid. I mean it's your prerogative to do this, but is there any actual reasoning behind it or is it just big talk for the internet?
I'm Australian. We don't have the same kinds of problems with our police force as America, but I'm more polite/courteous to cops (even when I'm being inconvenienced) than a random person for a few reasons. a) I'm not a dick b) They're doing tough but necessary work and I want them to continue doing so c) They have the ability to seriously fuck up my day if I act like a dick to them d) I'm not a dick
Even if it "feels" like you've been pulled over for no reason, they probably have one and even if they don't being respectful and courteous will absolutely minimise the chance that you have any issues. Why wouldn't you want that?
That said, the Minneapolis incident looks absolutely awful. Absolutely abhorrent police work at best.
I'm a grown ass man and people get the exact amount of respect they earn. The uniform does not impress me. I don't call cops "sir". I'm not a dick. But some random cop pulls me for no reason, I see zero reason to accept him abusing his power or "yes, sir" my way through it. What is he going to do, arrest me for no reason and have the city give me a free summer vacation?
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