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On July 08 2016 10:40 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 10:34 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:25 Falling wrote:
Anyone see the video of Phil's daughter trying to comfort her mom. That one really got to me. Link? Twitter is moving fast, but I found it again. Ugh. Words can't express.
Not to mention the whole putting them both in the back of the car and her in handcuffs. They handcuffed and put Tamir's sister in the car too. As if executing loved ones before their eyes isn't enough they have to go and treat the victims family like criminals...
EDIT: Protests have sprung up in major cities across the country, folks who wonder "what can I do about this violence", go stand with them.
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On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all.
I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
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On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
In Minnesota you have no legal obligation to inform the police officer that you're a CCW holder and have a gun on you either. Its possible it comes up on the cop's computer when he runs your plates, but legally he didn't have to tell the officer anything. He chose to do that as a courtesy which adds an extra sprinkle of insanity.
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On July 08 2016 10:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Protests have sprung up in major cities across the country, folks who wonder "what can I do about this violence", go stand with them.
Two Dallas police officers have been shot in downtown Dallas, an officer at the scene tells NBC 5.
The extent of their injuries are not known.
The shootings took place as a rally and march in downtown was ending that showed solidarity for communities affected by officer-involved shootings this week in Louisiana and Minnesota.
Several hundred people gathered at Belo Garden Park in Dallas and marched to the Old Red Courthouse near Main and Market streets, where the rally ended just before the shots rang out nearby at about 9 p.m.
There is no word on whether any civilians have been shot.
Police have not released information on any possible suspects in the shooting.
DART public transportation service is suspended in downtown due to police activity.
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Just saw a video of Dallas that sounds like a war zone. Wtf is going on? This shit has me so sad right now.
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Sounds like there was a sniper (could have been police watching protestors not shooting) and someone in a tac vest was shooting people and took cover in a building.
He is confined and swat is in contact according to local news reporting after speaking with police. 2 Cops sent to hospitals
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On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something.
You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop.
The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case.
On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-'
I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. Cops are not the enemy, a system that protects individual cops when they fuck up is. If an officer fucks up like these past two scenarios seem to indicate, they need to face the consequences.
I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though. I don't really know what solutions are being thrown around the table on this issue but something's gotta change.
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On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't.
I agree, but it's never claimed as both... it always ends up being a response to Black Lives Matter, especially since the people who say All/ Blue Lives Matter as a response to Black Lives Matter completely miss the point of Black Lives Matter... that no one is saying that other lives *don't* matter. By saying Black, they're not saying Not Blue/ Not Other. It's just that the Blue/ Other lives aren't being persecuted against in the same way. I like this analogy:
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On July 08 2016 12:15 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. I agree, but it's never claimed as both... it always ends up being a response to Black Lives Matter, especially since the people who say All/ Blue Lives Matter as a response to Black Lives Matter completely miss the point of Black Lives Matter... that no one is saying that other lives *don't* matter. By saying Black, they're not saying Not Blue/ Not Other. It's just that the Blue/ Other lives aren't being persecuted against in the same way. I like this analogy:
I think part of the problem has to do with the very phrase 'Black Lives Matter' being a pretty shitty slogan to rally behind. From the get-go before you even know what the message is, it's already charged with racial tension of 'us vs them'. That and the fact that it's so disorganized and tends to do really shitty things that hinder the good intentions behind it's conception.
Something needs to be done but the way BLM often goes about it is self-detrimental to it's own ends.
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On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something. You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop. The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case. Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though.
Because "Black Lives Matter" doesn't mean "Only Black Lives Matter" there is no need whatsoever for "Blue Lives Matter"
There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed if suddenly there was no Blue lives matter. They get parades paid in part by the people who are being abused by them ffs.
Alton's killers sure acted guilty confiscating the surveillance tapes from the store without a warrant, not that anyone will be reprimanded for it.
Something needs to be done but the way BLM often goes about it is self-detrimental to it's own ends.
Not nearly as much as how the police go about this. They are the ones who are paid to do a job, BLM is just outraged and abused citizens.
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On July 08 2016 12:19 GreenHorizons wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something. You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop. The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case. On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though. There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed
I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit.
It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
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All right, that is horrifying.
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On July 08 2016 11:49 LegalLord wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 10:50 GreenHorizons wrote:
Protests have sprung up in major cities across the country, folks who wonder "what can I do about this violence", go stand with them. Show nested quote +Two Dallas police officers have been shot in downtown Dallas, an officer at the scene tells NBC 5.
The extent of their injuries are not known.
The shootings took place as a rally and march in downtown was ending that showed solidarity for communities affected by officer-involved shootings this week in Louisiana and Minnesota.
Several hundred people gathered at Belo Garden Park in Dallas and marched to the Old Red Courthouse near Main and Market streets, where the rally ended just before the shots rang out nearby at about 9 p.m.
There is no word on whether any civilians have been shot.
Police have not released information on any possible suspects in the shooting.
DART public transportation service is suspended in downtown due to police activity.
Source
This definitely isn't the right way to go about it.
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On July 08 2016 12:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 12:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something. You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop. The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case. On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though. There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit. It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
Blue lives matter is mostly just raycist people masking their raycism. Maybe cops being killed doesn't make national news but the cops shot near me got a bigass parade, a memorial, and a road named after them. If that's "not caring" tough shit.
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Holy shit, where is that?
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On July 08 2016 12:23 GGTeMpLaR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2016 12:19 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 12:05 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 11:31 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. It comes back to why you might want to say 'cops need to earn our respect' but if when approached you're disrespectful and unlawful from the get-go it's not helping the situation at all. I don't understand this line of thought in the first place. Why would the person who intends to shoot you declare their fire arm as required by law? I guess it's like torture and movies where the bad guys tell you their evil plan so you can stop them or something. You're right. Granted we didn't actually get to see what happened, based on his emotional state in the aftermath that guy clearly isn't cut out to be a cop. The only way it remotely would make sense is if he said it in a threatening manner to the officer, but based on what type of a person he seems to be, that seems very unlikely to be the case. On July 08 2016 10:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:20 GreenHorizons wrote:On July 08 2016 10:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On July 08 2016 10:04 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 10:01 Doraemon wrote:On July 08 2016 09:57 GGTeMpLaR wrote:On July 08 2016 09:38 Doraemon wrote:
can't imagine how scared a black person would be when he is approached by cops. man... how do you live like that Guy I work with here told me a story about how he kept his hands on the steering wheel and when the cop asked to see his license he was like "it's in my pocket man listen I'm carrying with a permit so I ain't gonna reach for my license it's in my pocket man lol" so the cop was like 'ok lol' and got it for him. no one should have to live like that.... that is so messed up True but no way he gettin shot I wish. I just hope that the strikes/ rallies are relatively peaceful, and that there's actually a trial for the cop. We've been peaceful. When's the police's turn start? Yeah, and the thing that pisses me off even more than the bullshit "correction" of "All" Lives Matter instead of Black Lives Matter is when they say "Blue Lives Matter" as a response to these needless executions of blacks by cops. Are you fucking kidding me -.-' I don't get why you can't sympathize with the message from both. Good cops die in the line of duty serving their country when they shouldn't. I really hope some meaningful police reform comes from this though. There's no lack of giving a shit about cops being killed I disagree. It's acceptable to society for cops to be killed because risking their lives in service is 'part of their duty'. People are more accustomed to it and really don't give much of a shit. It's unacceptable for cops to be killing people when they don't need to be though.
That has nothing to do with what he said.
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at least 4 officers shot
1 has passed
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On July 08 2016 12:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Holy shit, where is that?
Texas I think.
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On July 08 2016 12:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Holy shit, where is that?
Dallas
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