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Sermokala
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LegalLord
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CorsairHero
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On June 24 2016 13:35 Sermokala wrote: Is this a good thing or not a good thing for america? I'll break it down for US politics. Trump could win, be afraid. And its super not great. The reason it the vote even happened is really stupid, it as basically a flagging campaign for PM threw a bone to the UK version of the Tea Party. And now they are super fucked, because the joker referendum voted to leave. Woops. I joke about Trump with the rest of us, but the pandering to populism and combined with political apathy is super scary. | ||
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xDaunt
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Plansix
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CorsairHero
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On June 24 2016 13:35 Sermokala wrote: Is this a good thing or not a good thing for america? I'll just speak in broad strokes, since the UK thread is probably better for intense discussion. The vote in UK was anti-establishment, their biggest party voices backing Remain, and the voters going a different path. That could have some winds over here. Secondly, immigration was a major topic in that vote. Trump's been hammering that topic hard, and here we have a major first-world country swinging right on their implementation though the situations are different. That's a little bit of steam. The biggest thing of all we be a gradual return to UK stability (calm currency considerations, trade deals, immigration policy). A big tide of anti-establishment anti-EU fervor results in stable markets and laws and perhaps polling data reflecting satisfaction. I know a big question on Trump is what chaos will come in the wake of his election. Another country taking bold action and going back to business as usual would be huge. (Yes, very different situations, but I'm speaking emotionally and the fear/assurance angle). On June 24 2016 13:47 xDaunt wrote: Bring on the general market crash. Daddy needs a new house. Everything is overpriced as fuck anyway. We're overdue for a major correction. With proper political response this could be so huge. AKA don't devalue the pound, don't just re-institute the EU immigration policy, pursue valuable new trade deals. Can you imagine the effect on world markets if the UK shines out with a major correction and later boom? | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On June 24 2016 12:24 IgnE wrote: How come I haven't seen anything about Omar Mateen's supposed gay lover in this thread? When the FBI released the full investigation a couple days ago they confirmed that Omar was not gay and was actually on several dating websites for women. He was only seen at the Gay club when he was 'scoping it out' with his wife. Here is the article - http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/fbi-releases-transcripts-911-calls-orlando-massacre-n595626 Meanwhile, NBC News has learned that, so far, federal investigators following Mateen's paper trail have found no evidence to back up claims that the gunman had ever been inside Pulse or any of gay nightclub in Orlando before the June 12 mass shooting. What they have found, sources told NBC, is that the married Mateen recently used websites to get dates with women — not men. Noor Salman has told investigators she once drove her husband to Pulse so he could scope it out and regulars at the nightclub have reported seeing him there. | ||
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JW_DTLA
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On June 24 2016 14:58 GGTeMpLaR wrote: When the FBI released the full investigation a couple days ago they confirmed that Omar was not gay and was actually on several dating websites for women. He was only seen at the Gay club when he was 'scoping it out' with his wife. Here is the article - http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/fbi-releases-transcripts-911-calls-orlando-massacre-n595626 How about this. I agree he plainly had a significant amount of Jihadists leanings. What would think of having to register assault rifles (pistol grip, accepts high cap magazines, intermediate cartridge, database of known types) with the federal government so that the FBI gets wind when one of the guys they are investigating starts arming up? Or how about a federal gun license that lets the fed gov know when these guys have an armory going? FBI didn't keep up with him as he was arming up. Wouldn't it have been nice to know when he started stocking up? The federal gun license wouldn't even be a bad thing for people who move state to state. You could show your card when transporting weapons and it would link the weapons back to you, their owner. | ||
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amazingxkcd
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
On June 24 2016 15:08 JW_DTLA wrote: How about this. I agree he plainly had a significant amount of Jihadists leanings. What would think of having to register assault rifles (pistol grip, accepts high cap magazines, intermediate cartridge, database of known types) with the federal government so that the FBI gets wind when one of the guys they are investigating starts arming up? Or how about a federal gun license that lets the fed gov know when these guys have an armory going? FBI didn't keep up with him as he was arming up. Wouldn't it have been nice to know when he started stocking up? The federal gun license wouldn't even be a bad thing for people who move state to state. You could show your card when transporting weapons and it would link the weapons back to you, their owner. when you buy a firearm, you fill out ATF forms to approve that purchase, thus registering it. | ||
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JW_DTLA
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On June 24 2016 15:12 amazingxkcd wrote: when you buy a firearm, you fill out ATF forms to approve that purchase, thus registering it. BIG EDIT: False. The background check system is Explicitly stopped from being a registration database. We need the federal registry, but gun-nut-NRA written laws prevent the database. "There is no comprehensive national system of gun registration. In fact, federal law prohibits the use of the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (“NICS”) to create any system of registration of firearms or firearm owners."1 http://smartgunlaws.org/gun-laws/federal-law/gun-owner-responsibilities/registration-of-firearms/#footnote_0_35026 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/28/25.9 28 CFR 25.9 - Retention and destruction of records in the system (3) Limitation on use. The NICS, including the NICS Audit Log, may not be used by any Department, agency, officer, or employee of the United States to establish any system for the registration of firearms, firearm owners, or firearm transactions or dispositions, except with respect to persons prohibited from receiving a firearm by 18 U.S.C. 922(g) or (n) or by state law. The NICS Audit Log will be monitored and reviewed on a regular basis to detect any possible misuse of NICS data. | ||
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Comeh
United States18918 Posts
On June 24 2016 13:37 CorsairHero wrote: the US stock markets are going to be very volatile in the short term while investors figure out the future and put money into bonds and probably gold On the temporary, you will the market go down as investments adjust to this. I'd imagine you see investors flee the UK and start putting a lot of that money into US capital markets. At least that's a possibilty, i'd like to hear some more informed opinions on this actually. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9489 Posts
On June 24 2016 15:21 Comeh wrote: On the temporary, you will the market go down as investments adjust to this. I'd imagine you see investors flee the UK and start putting a lot of that money into US capital markets. At least that's a possibilty, i'd like to hear some more informed opinions on this actually. US equity is actually more expensive(P/E) than EU equity I believe. I don't see why american equity would be on the rise unless brexit improves US company earnings. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On June 24 2016 15:33 CorsairHero wrote: US equity is actually more expensive(P/E) than EU equity I believe. I don't see why american equity would be on the rise unless brexit improves US company earnings. If it looks a safe haven it will. Initially it will probably be all dumped into US Treasury Bills, but if we continue to look safe compared to EU/Britain (like we have vs. the BRICS and southern Europe lately) US equities will get ever higher P/E ratio a because there is nothing else to buy. Long term, for England, this will only work out if they use this to make their business climate significantly better than the continent. Not in a Bush way, either, in like a Cayman Islands/Hong Kong way. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6191 Posts
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Wegandi
United States2455 Posts
On June 24 2016 13:04 Plansix wrote: I am counting by blessings. Especially since that this comes as we gear up for our own nightmare vote. Hopefully salty democrats will see this and go "Fuck, that could be us." I don't understand this "leftist" fascination with supra-national and international Governmental bodies / unelected bureaucrats. Back in the 1960's the leftist folks were all for local empowerment and local control. Give me the the SDS folks over the crap churned out today anytime. | ||
FlaShFTW
United States10031 Posts
On June 24 2016 13:39 Plansix wrote: I'll break it down for US politics. Trump could win, be afraid. And its super not great. The reason it the vote even happened is really stupid, it as basically a flagging campaign for PM threw a bone to the UK version of the Tea Party. And now they are super fucked, because the joker referendum voted to leave. Woops. I joke about Trump with the rest of us, but the pandering to populism and combined with political apathy is super scary. Explain this one to me please. What is scary about wanting your country first? | ||
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wptlzkwjd
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4315 Posts
Donald J. Trump 4 mins · · Politics Statement Regarding British Referendum on E.U. Membership The people of the United Kingdom have exercised the sacred right of all free peoples. They have declared their independence from the European Union, and have voted to reassert control over their own politics, borders and economy. A Trump Administration pledges to strengthen our ties with a free and independent Britain, deepening our bonds in commerce, culture and mutual defense. The whole world is more peaceful and stable when our two countries – and our two peoples – are united together, as they will be under a Trump Administration. Come November, the American people will have the chance to re-declare their independence. Americans will have a chance to vote for trade, immigration and foreign policies that put our citizens first. They will have the chance to reject today’s rule by the global elite, and to embrace real change that delivers a government of, by and for the people. I hope America is watching, it will soon be time to believe in America again. | ||
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