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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
On May 07 2016 01:00 xDaunt wrote: You guys aren't paying close enough attention. Trump is very much a deviation from conservative norms. My point isn't about Trump, my point is that the GOP doesn't have any right to call itself conservative. | ||
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zlefin
United States7689 Posts
I wish instead of single parties, we had people with multiple affiliations; so that there would be more group overlap. So there might be say a social conservative and a social liberal group; (which functioned like a party in terms of supporting members and fighting opposing groups). But also a fiscal conservative and liberal groups; and/or whatever divisions made sense to people. i.e. any individual politican would likely be a part of several different groups, each of which has its own focus. and on ballots it would show all the group affiliations (or at least the most importnat ones, i dunno how much space it'd end up taking). | ||
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Sermokala
United States13984 Posts
On May 07 2016 01:07 DickMcFanny wrote: My point isn't about Trump, my point is that the GOP doesn't have any right to call itself conservative. Yes it does beacuse it represents the right side of US politics. Don't make thing so complex you miss basic two party facts like the red team is conservative and the blue team is liberal. Plus If anything Republicans get to claim that the party was founded on freeing the slaves. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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DickMcFanny
Ireland1076 Posts
But fiscally they've been anything but. They just move the welfare from the poor to the rich. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
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farvacola
United States18832 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On May 07 2016 01:56 farvacola wrote: Out of curiosity, what does "closer to the center economically" actually look like? Often times, pro-trade, in favor of regulations that pay attention to dynamic consequences, pro-small business, skeptical of large oligopolies. Sometimes skeptical of $15 min wage right away. Belief that you have to look at cost of living in evaluating things like minimum wage. That kind of thing. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Pretty sure Speaker of the House is a very separate job from head of the RNC. What ever happened to standing by what you believe in? Is Ryan not allowed to to that? And if everyone loves Trump like he claims, Trump shouldn't have a problem winning Ryan over. | ||
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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oBlade
United States5664 Posts
On May 06 2016 22:16 xDaunt wrote: Wow, liberals are finally concerned about the debt? When did this happen? They're more contrarians than liberals; for example, G.W. Bush was an evil imperialist but Trump will be an evil isolationist. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On May 07 2016 02:28 Plansix wrote: I sort of question if that nuanced approach to politics will be understood by Trump. This is a man who is still very upset about an almost decade old comment about his tiny hands. Just looked it up. Here you go: Marco Rubio told supporters last week that GOP presidential rival Donald Trump is "always calling me 'little Marco.'" "He is taller than me, he's like 6' 2", which is why I don't understand why his hands are the size of someone who is 5' 2"," Rubio joked. "Have you seen his hands? And you know what they say about men with small hands -- " The crowd erupted. " -- You can't trust them," Rubio said. Rubio’s comment may come across tasteless for a presidential hopeful, but that was not the first time someone has questioned the size of Trump’s hands. Nearly 30 years ago, Graydon Carter, the editor of Vanity Fair magazine, described Trump in Spy magazine as a “short-fingered vulgarian.” In an editor’s letter in "Vanity Fair" last November, Carter said that he wrote the Sky magazine comment in 1988 "just to drive him a little bit crazy." And according to Carter, it still does. "Like so many bullies, Trump has skin of gossamer," Carter wrote in November. "To this day, I receive the occasional envelope from Trump. There is always a photo of him—generally a tear sheet from a magazine. On all of them he has circled his hand in gold Sharpie in a valiant effort to highlight the length of his fingers," Carter wrote. "I almost feel sorry for the poor fellow because, to me, the fingers still look abnormally stubby." | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15712 Posts
On May 07 2016 02:36 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: If that's the case how many Republicans are heading towards Gary Johnson's camp. https://twitter.com/StealthBlue/status/728628323778220036 "3rd party candidate totally on track to be as irrelevant as ever, though less failed than other failures" | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On May 06 2016 14:11 LegalLord wrote: Sure, it was in a bad state before the intervention. Perhaps you're trying to say that that justifies making the whole situation worse? Intervention without a good plan for "the day after" is just adding fuel to the fire. That, at the very least, should be self evident. Somewhat different in that rather than doing very little to replace the old government, in Iraq the US just executed the transition poorly. Libya was in pretty bad shape without US involvement. The US involvement that did happen was very minimal. The reason this strategy was done was because of the lessons from Iraq. The moral of the story is that you're either there for longterm occupation/imperialism OR you be okay letting atrocities happen in the world. There is no middle ground option. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
And Libya pretty much said "thanks but we got it from here", turns out they didn't | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On May 07 2016 03:20 ticklishmusic wrote: Europe also dropped the ball on Libya And Libya pretty much said "thanks but we got it from here", turns out they didn't The Europeans can't even manage their own backyard. They can't be trusted to manage a country on another continent. | ||
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