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On April 05 2016 20:47 GreenHorizons wrote:


Why didn't she listen to Bernie?

On April 05 2016 20:39 kwizach wrote:

If I had replied to your post by writing "BUT HOW IS BERNIE GOING TO FIX WORLD HUNGER", which is the equivalent of Jormundr's response, then you'd have been right in calling me out for ignoring the topic being discussed. I'm sorry the thread doesn't gravitate around your posts, GH -- if someone doesn't reply to you, it doesn't mean they're desperately dodging your contributions. With regards to the Panama Trade deal that Bush negotiated, that Obama pushed for (after a few revisions) along with the South Korea and Columbia trade deals, and that Hillary supported as well, feel free to ask a specific question.

On April 05 2016 22:11 Jormundr wrote:

I purposefully chose campaign promises which she didn't have any actual concrete or even theoretical plans for. If that's an egregious affront for Bernie to not know in the middle of an interview, then you have to admit that Hillary is truly unelectable. I mean she's had what, 8 years and 3 previous presidential runs to iron this stuff out?

Either that or maybe you're making a dumb argument about how politicians are supposed to be the stephen hawking of every single policy decision they propose.

On April 05 2016 22:07 Ghanburighan wrote:
Oneofthem, you might find it handy to read the agreement, sections 10.15 onward until 13. You'll find that it's a quagmire, but the ISDS isn't automatically available for financial services.

Link

Edit: The trickiest part is figuring out "investor of party" as it excludes branches of corporations. I'm afraid my experience doesn't tell me what the relevant precedents are for this, and I don't have the time to look it up just now.

The final text of the U.S.-Panama FTA incorporates changes based on the bipartisan agreement of
May 10, 2007, crafted by the Bush Administration and leadership in the 110th Congress. These
include adoption of enforceable labor standards, compulsory membership in multilateral
environmental agreements, and an easing of restrictions on developing country access to generic
drugs, provisions that go beyond those in previous U.S. bilateral FTAs and multilateral trade
rules. Concerns raised in Congress on labor and tax transparency issues were also addressed by
Panama in statute and by ratification of a Tax Information and Exchange Agreement (TIEA) with
the United States. The TIEA provides greater tax transparency in support of curbing illicit
financial transactions associated with money laundering activities.

On April 05 2016 22:17 Acrofales wrote:

Hillary is running on a pretty broad program of maintaining the status quo and improving small parts of it as she sees opportunities to do so. She is not running on what is almost a one-issue campaign to break up big banks. There are parts of those improvements that Hillary proposes that are better, and some that are worse worked out. But if you have basically 3 proposals: break up big banks, single payer healthcare, and free college, then you should have the details on how all of those will actually be achieved worked out.

And @GH: I agree that the questions were quite awkward, but his answers were even worse. He could have layed out his plan about who there is in charge of what (FEC, SEC, ISDS, Treasury, etc.), rather than:

1. Pass law
2. ?????
3. Banks are broken up into manageable pieces

I don't expect Bernie to know into how many parts JPMorgan would be broken up. I do expect him to have an actual plan on how to achieve JPMorgan getting broken up.

The United States is about to get involved in the fate of beluga whales in eastern Russia, including dozens of captured animals being held in tanks in the region.

On Tuesday, the National Marine Fisheries Service is expected to announce its recommendation to designate the population of beluga whales in the western Sea of Okhotsk as “depleted” under the federal Marine Mammal Protection Act.

The agency estimates that there are around 3,700 of these belugas remaining along Russia’s Pacific coast, less than 60 percent of their historic population.

The announcement will kick off a 60-day public comment period on the proposed designation, which would be the first time a marine mammal population in another nation’s waters has been deemed at risk under the Marine Mammal Protection Act, according to Naomi Rose, a scientist with the Animal Welfare Institute.

“It’s a precedent-setting proposal,” Rose said in email, and one that is “part and parcel of the changing zeitgeist on captive cetaceans.”

“It will stop anyone from ever applying for another import permit” for Russian belugas, said Rose, whose organization petitioned the fisheries service jointly with the Whale and Dolphin Conservation, Cetacean Society International, and Earth Island Institute to designate the western Sea of Okhotsk belugas as depleted.

If they succeed, the move will deal yet another blow to U.S. aquariums hoping to purchase Russian belugas for public display.

In September, a federal appeals court denied the Atlanta-based Georgia Aquarium a permit to import 18 Russian beluga whales it had sought to bring the U.S. since 2012.

On April 05 2016 22:24 Jormundr wrote:
He also has those tiny bits about reforming our atrocious criminal justice system and that whole equality thing he's been harping on for the last 70 years.

PS
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
Far more effort than Hillary puts into any of her blurbs.

On April 05 2016 20:47 GreenHorizons wrote:

Why didn't she listen to Bernie?

On April 05 2016 21:36 GreenHorizons wrote:

You realize I asked my question before he posted that right? The answer to my question seems to be "change the subject".

On April 05 2016 22:11 Jormundr wrote:

I purposefully chose campaign promises which she didn't have any actual concrete or even theoretical plans for. If that's an egregious affront for Bernie to not know in the middle of an interview, then you have to admit that Hillary is truly unelectable. I mean she's had what, 8 years and 3 previous presidential runs to iron this stuff out?

Either that or maybe you're making a dumb argument about how politicians are supposed to be the stephen hawking of every single policy decision they propose.

On April 05 2016 22:27 oneofthem wrote:

didn't you say you had a high school level grasp of this stuff? calling bernie's wall street reform plan 'far more effort' than hillary's is just laughable.

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/factsheets/2015/10/08/wall-street-work-for-main-street/

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/04/hillary-wall-street-117092

On April 05 2016 22:24 GreenHorizons wrote:


I think the audience interested in those details are pretty small. I think it would depend on what got passed too.

We going to acknowledge that the dig at me changing the subject was silly and that you're also ignoring the question (though you're not going to be voting in the US iirc)?

On April 05 2016 22:34 Jormundr wrote:

I said I had a high school level grasp of the total level of fissile material at current usage rates circa 2008. I was off by 50 years so sue me. I could remember that pretty well from 8 years ago, you can't even think hard enough on what happened a couple days ago to talk down to me properly?
I'm disappointed, you used to appear intelligent back when you put on airs and didn't actually engage in discussion.

On April 05 2016 22:24 Jormundr wrote:
He also has those tiny bits about reforming our atrocious criminal justice system and that whole equality thing he's been harping on for the last 70 years.

PS
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
Far more effort than Hillary puts into any of her blurbs.

Impose a “risk fee” on the largest financial institutions. Dodd-Frank’s reforms and higher capital requirements on the largest banks are already helping address the problem of “Too Big to Fail.” But we need to go further to deal with the risk posed by size, leverage, and unstable short-term funding strategies.

Clinton would charge a graduated risk fee every year on the liabilities of banks with more than $50 billion in assets and other financial institutions that are designated by regulators for enhanced oversight. The fee rate would scale higher for firms with greater amounts of debt and riskier, short-term forms of debt—meaning that, as firms get bigger and riskier, the fee rate they face would grow in size. The fee would therefore discourage large financial institutions from relying on excessive leverage and the kinds of “hot” short-term money that proved particularly damaging during the crisis.[xii] Moreover, the strength of this deterrent would grow for firms with larger amounts of debt. The risk fee would not be applied to insured deposits and would therefore have no impact on traditional banking activities funded by insured deposits and equity capital.[xiii] In implementing the risk fee, Clinton would also call on regulators to impose higher capital requirements if she determines that such a step is a necessary complement to the fee.

On April 05 2016 22:36 oneofthem wrote:

what's your grasp of financial structure and regulation then. if you are calling the bernie plan more effort than hillary's, it does not appear high

On April 05 2016 22:36 oneofthem wrote:

what's your grasp of financial structure and regulation then. if you are calling the bernie plan more effort than hillary's, it does not appear high

On April 05 2016 22:43 Plansix wrote:

The better question, what is the point of this post beyond being a huge jerk? Do you want him to admit he knows nothing and can’t talk about the topic anymore? Then will you declare victory and dance around the room after winning another argument on the internet?

On April 05 2016 22:24 Jormundr wrote:
He also has those tiny bits about reforming our atrocious criminal justice system and that whole equality thing he's been harping on for the last 70 years.

PS
https://berniesanders.com/issues/reforming-wall-street/
Far more effort than Hillary puts into any of her blurbs.