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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
March 29 2016 13:20 GMT
#69741
On March 29 2016 21:43 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 21:19 farvacola wrote:
Improving education in the US runs directly up against the immature, yet pervasive notion that Americans dislike being told what to do, particularly when it involves their children. Changing that attitude is going to take a lot of work, but should we be able to alongside the implementation of a system similar to many in Europe, I think a lot of problems could be solved. I just can't emphasize enough, particularly for our European posters, how incredibly upset many Americans would become in the face of "well, your son is good at these things, so he's going to go to this kind of school" reasoning. "Local rule" when it comes to education is very strong here in the US.

1 thing I think is important to realize is that school choice is ultimately still entirely up to the parents, schools give recommendations of where a student would fit best, and in higher education there might be a test you have to complete if you miss part of the requirements but at no point is a student forced to go to education X.



Uhm, as the German system was mentioned here multiple times, this is not entirely true here.

If your marks in 4th grade (or whenever the split happens, depending on state) are not good enough, you can not go to Gymnasium. No choice. You simply can not! And this means also no university later. There are now some workarounds, but generally speaking you need an Abitur = gymnasium degree to go to university.

So it does not matter what your parents want. If you screw up at the age of 10 and fail the required average, you will have to take the path given you. Of course, there are still several choice options later on that path. But a good chunk of options are gone.

And I don't consider this bad


And about the social split: There are 2 kind of social split people talk about here. One is that kids of highly educated parents are again highly educated, while those of poorer lower educated families end up the same again. This is more about social mobility. Here I honestly don't see the two track system at fault.
But there is a second split happening, which is often mentioned. It is the fact, that kids aiming at a higher education are seperated that early from those lower education kids. This means, that you are creating 2 groups rather early with no understanding about the other group. You only know those "other kids" from hearsay, but are barely interacting with them after you are 10, because all day you are only around your own kind.
And if you just listen to the typical politcal discussion, this is a fairly common theme. "Those people have no clue, they shouldn't even be allowed to vote" vs "Those guys, they have no idea about us, about the regular working class...". Now this obviously also exists in countries with a much later split, but splitting earlier does certainly not help to solve the problem.
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
March 29 2016 13:23 GMT
#69742
On March 29 2016 21:40 Acrofales wrote:
I think it mainly stems from the "everybody is an expert" syndrome, combined with the decline in prestige, and probably average quality, of school teachers. Parents have always been protective of their children's education, but I get the impression that they used to trust teachers a lot more to do that job.


yeah i think thats the main issue.

to outline a problem we have in germany at the moment:
the german school system has 3 different tiers of schools that could be described as low, medium and high. to get into university you have to finish the highest school type which has 12 or 13 grades, depending on the state. the other two go up until 10th grade (used to be 9th grade for the lowest). because germany has a sophisticated apprenticeship system it was ok to just have ~10% to 15% going to university and if you did not want to go to university you were completely fine with 9 or 10 years of school. quite a number of current middle management positions are held by people who dont have a degree.
everything nice and working as intended if not for the stupid fact that children get put in their respective tier at the age of 10. so the fate of an 10 years old child is pretty much already decided. now because everyone knows that the current system is pretty retarded everyone tries to get their children to the highest tier of school (gymnasium). which in turn devalues the lower two tiers to the point were only the absolute dumbest children who are also unfortunate enough to have parents who dont care end up in the lowest schools.
the result: the degree of this school, which in our parents generation was the degree of almost all crafts, is absolutely worthless.

at the moment we breed a very isolated lower class with no perspectives and no chance of ever having a decent live.
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
March 29 2016 13:30 GMT
#69743
I've found that not allowing people to make up for mistakes early in their education ends up benefiting the socioeconomically privileged the most. Not only because their parents know what the "correct path" is better than others but also because they can buy their way out of failures.

If a 26-year-old recent grad is as well off as a 22-year old one, then all you lose is 4 years (not a big deal over a lifetime, and you get a boost from maturity). If your opportunities shrink when you go later, then you lose a lifetime of earnings potential. Explains why many of the elite programs are designed only for the young.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
March 29 2016 13:35 GMT
#69744
there is good reason to suggest that the problem with teachers is isolated to few bad individuals in a large group. the overall quality or dedication is decent, but there are a minority generating the majority of problem reports. looking at the chetty study on value added by teachers, the takeaway is that a good teacher may do some good, but a bad one does a lot of harm.

mindlessly sticking with the teacher's union's 'solidarity of all' stance is counterproductive. it would be to the union's benefit to develop effective evaluative and removal procedures for ineffective teachers.

as far as bridging the parental gap, having a teacher that is able to connect and motivate students can do a lot of good here. it's important to remember that many students have single parents working a lot, or with families that have destructive habits etc. it's otherwise difficult to intervene in problem households.

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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands21973 Posts
March 29 2016 13:36 GMT
#69745
On March 29 2016 22:30 LegalLord wrote:
I've found that not allowing people to make up for mistakes early in their education ends up benefiting the socioeconomically privileged the most. Not only because their parents know what the "correct path" is better than others but also because they can buy their way out of failures.

If a 26-year-old recent grad is as well off as a 22-year old one, then all you lose is 4 years (not a big deal over a lifetime, and you get a boost from maturity). If your opportunities shrink when you go later, then you lose a lifetime of earnings potential. Explains why many of the elite programs are designed only for the young.

That's how it works in the Netherlands, split into 3 paths around age 12-13, but you can move up if your grades are good enough, with the highest path giving access to University or you can go there after complete College.
A sub-optimal path adds 2-4 years to your education.



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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 29 2016 13:47 GMT
#69746
A San Francisco startup described as an “Uber for birth control” is expanding its services to offer Truvada for PrEP, a daily pill that has been shown to be more than 90% effective in reducing HIV infection from sex.

From Tuesday, Nurx will allow patients in California to obtain a prescription for PrEP (which stands for pre-exposure prophylaxis) through a mobile app without having to see a doctor.

“It’s really difficult for people who want PrEP to get PrEP,” said Hans Gangeskar, one of Nurx’s co-founder. He cited stigma and a lack of information as a reason for the lack of widespread adoption of PrEP, as well as a shortage of doctors who will prescribe the drug.

Nurx’s streamlines the process by allowing patients to request a prescription and fill out a health survey through the app. The information is then reviewed by a doctor, remotely, who will decide whether or not the patient is a good candidate for PrEP.

A patient must complete blood tests for HIV and renal function prior to receiving his prescription. But Nurx is experimenting with sending a phlebotomist in an Uber to the patient’s home to draw their blood, making the process as quick and easy as possible.

Gangeskar said: “PrEP has been available for three years, and the CDC [Center for Disease Control] says people should be taking it, but they aren’t.”

In November, the CDC issued a report finding that more than 1.2 million people in the US should be taking PrEP, whereas only about 21,000 people are currently taking it. The CDC recommends PrEP for people at “very high risk” of HIV infection, which includes about one in four men who have sex with men, one in five adults who inject drugs, and one in 200 sexually active heterosexual adults.


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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 29 2016 14:06 GMT
#69747
Following up on the discussion about E-voting as an alternative to long lines in Arizona and other such inconveniences, here's a book on Estonia's decade of experience with E-voting.

It's lengthy at 200+ pages but it was written by two of the brightest minds in Estonian social science I know.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18839 Posts
March 29 2016 14:25 GMT
#69748
The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday split 4-4 on a conservative legal challenge to a vital source of funds for organized labor, affirming a lower-court ruling that allowed California to force non-union workers to pay fees to public-employee unions.

The court, shorthanded after the Feb. 13 death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia and evenly divided with four liberal and four conservative members, left intact a 1977 legal precedent that allowed such fees, which add up to millions of dollars a year for unions.

The outcome emphasized the impact of Scalia's death, as he likely would have been a decisive vote against the unions. During the Jan. 11 oral arguments in the case, Scalia was still on the bench, giving the court a majority of five conservatives. The conservative justices during the arguments voiced support for the stance of the non-union teachers in challenging the fees.

The 4-4 decision leaves in place an appeals court ruling in favor of the unions but sets no new precedent.


Divided Supreme Court keeps laws allowing mandatory public union dues in some states
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LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-29 14:53:30
March 29 2016 14:51 GMT
#69749
On March 29 2016 22:36 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2016 22:30 LegalLord wrote:
I've found that not allowing people to make up for mistakes early in their education ends up benefiting the socioeconomically privileged the most. Not only because their parents know what the "correct path" is better than others but also because they can buy their way out of failures.

If a 26-year-old recent grad is as well off as a 22-year old one, then all you lose is 4 years (not a big deal over a lifetime, and you get a boost from maturity). If your opportunities shrink when you go later, then you lose a lifetime of earnings potential. Explains why many of the elite programs are designed only for the young.

That's how it works in the Netherlands, split into 3 paths around age 12-13, but you can move up if your grades are good enough, with the highest path giving access to University or you can go there after complete College.
A sub-optimal path adds 2-4 years to your education.


That's essentially how it worked in the USSR at well. It was tiered in the same way as the German system (which Soviet education was based on) but also allowed people to take a detour up to the highest path. It had its flaws, and it was pretty hard to go to university if you didn't finish high school (you have to go back to high school which almost no one did) but it was pretty good at not pigeonholing anyone who wasn't going to med school.

In the US, you can technically still go to university but it's all about having money, and the "lower tier" path is considered all but worthless. That has a lot to do with why unqualified people pay a fortune to go to university.

On March 29 2016 23:25 farvacola wrote:
Show nested quote +
The U.S. Supreme Court on Tuesday split 4-4 on a conservative legal challenge to a vital source of funds for organized labor, affirming a lower-court ruling that allowed California to force non-union workers to pay fees to public-employee unions.

The court, shorthanded after the Feb. 13 death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia and evenly divided with four liberal and four conservative members, left intact a 1977 legal precedent that allowed such fees, which add up to millions of dollars a year for unions.

The outcome emphasized the impact of Scalia's death, as he likely would have been a decisive vote against the unions. During the Jan. 11 oral arguments in the case, Scalia was still on the bench, giving the court a majority of five conservatives. The conservative justices during the arguments voiced support for the stance of the non-union teachers in challenging the fees.

The 4-4 decision leaves in place an appeals court ruling in favor of the unions but sets no new precedent.


Divided Supreme Court keeps laws allowing mandatory public union dues in some states

Scalia's death certainly has changed the dynamic of the SCOTUS, that's for sure.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 29 2016 15:05 GMT
#69750
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Monday blamed media coverage of the state's new law that prohibits local governments from passing anti-discrimination measures for the backlash from businesses and progressive groups.

"There’s a very well-coordinated campaign — national campaign which is distorting the truth, which is frankly smearing our state in an inaccurate way, and which I’m working to correct," he said in a press conference. "And I hope the media starts putting out more accurate information on the facts between a basic common sense bill which allows businesses to determine their own restroom and shower and locker room facilities, not government."

"And I frankly think some of the media has failed miserably in communicating the clear facts, especially the national media with the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Huffington Post," McCrory continued. "And we’re trying to clarify that [sic] facts, and I hope you put out the accurate information about the true facts of a common sense ordinance."

He also criticized "editorial pages which are definitely misleading the public on many items."

The governor insisted that the new law has "not taken away any rights that currently existed in any city in North Carolina."

"Every city and every corporation has the exact same discrimination policy this week as they had two weeks ago," he said in the press conference.

The new law, which was rushed through the state legislature in a special session last week, keeps local governments from providing anti-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity and directs public schools and government agencies only allow individuals to use a bathroom that aligns with their biological gender.

The law also removes the ability for private sector employees to file a suit under state law if they claim they were fired for discriminatory reasons on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, age, sex or handicap.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15725 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-29 15:07:08
March 29 2016 15:06 GMT
#69751
Kasich is still running for president. Wtf
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 29 2016 15:13 GMT
#69752
On March 30 2016 00:05 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Show nested quote +
North Carolina Gov. Pat McCrory (R) on Monday blamed media coverage of the state's new law that prohibits local governments from passing anti-discrimination measures for the backlash from businesses and progressive groups.

"There’s a very well-coordinated campaign — national campaign which is distorting the truth, which is frankly smearing our state in an inaccurate way, and which I’m working to correct," he said in a press conference. "And I hope the media starts putting out more accurate information on the facts between a basic common sense bill which allows businesses to determine their own restroom and shower and locker room facilities, not government."

"And I frankly think some of the media has failed miserably in communicating the clear facts, especially the national media with the New York Times and the Washington Post and the Huffington Post," McCrory continued. "And we’re trying to clarify that [sic] facts, and I hope you put out the accurate information about the true facts of a common sense ordinance."

He also criticized "editorial pages which are definitely misleading the public on many items."

The governor insisted that the new law has "not taken away any rights that currently existed in any city in North Carolina."

"Every city and every corporation has the exact same discrimination policy this week as they had two weeks ago," he said in the press conference.

The new law, which was rushed through the state legislature in a special session last week, keeps local governments from providing anti-discrimination protections based on sexual orientation and gender identity and directs public schools and government agencies only allow individuals to use a bathroom that aligns with their biological gender.

The law also removes the ability for private sector employees to file a suit under state law if they claim they were fired for discriminatory reasons on the basis of race, religion, color, national origin, age, sex or handicap.


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“We rush through this new law in the hope no one would notice. However, people noticed and we think it’s unfair that they don’t share the same opinion of this law that prohibits the protection of specific groups. No one was ever fired from a state job for racist, sexist or homophobic reasons in our state and it will never happen again, so the law suits about that should be prohibited since they are not necessary. Discrimination is over.” - Said the white man who signed the law –

Bring me the salt of bigots being whining about their bigoted laws.
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-29 15:18:58
March 29 2016 15:18 GMT
#69753
A welcome dispassionate analysis of the Democratic race by David Plouffe for those who still had any doubts as to who is going to be the nominee:

I believe Hillary Clinton has zero chance of not being the Democratic nominee. But she still is going to lose a bunch of states to Bernie Sanders the rest of the way into the clubhouse.[...] So as we follow each primary breathlessly and pundits assign outsized value to each of them and want to suggest momentum has changed this way or that, the reality is far less interesting. We for the most part this deep into the race already know what’s going to happen.

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"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 29 2016 15:21 GMT
#69754
It's like a boxing match, in the end the score might be like 108-110 but the winner was pretty obvious
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
March 29 2016 15:21 GMT
#69755
Lol

"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-29 15:26:28
March 29 2016 15:26 GMT
#69756
While I'm pretty sure Hillary is going to win the nomination, it's getting annoying how many generic low content pro-Hillary posts you lot are making. Stop that.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
March 29 2016 15:33 GMT
#69757
I get paid to shill by Goldman Sachs, I'm just trying to earn my paycheck here.
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Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
March 29 2016 15:35 GMT
#69758
On March 30 2016 00:26 LegalLord wrote:
While I'm pretty sure Hillary is going to win the nomination, it's getting annoying how many generic low content pro-Hillary posts you lot are making. Stop that.


That's hilarious, a) Kwizach's post wasn't pro-Hillary, at least not in the traditional sense that it wasn't advocating voting for her, or even improving her image in any way. In fact, the more there is of an aura of inevitability the fewer people will bother to come out and vote for her, b) the post itself wasn't low content in that he posted an analysis piece.

For those people like me who don't vote and just want to understand what's going on in US politics, I much prefer that this thread has good content like Kwizach's rather than partisan mud-flinging from proponents of one or another candidate.

As for the impact of those articles, it's just that all analysts kinda' agree that the contest is all but over. Here's a similar Upshot analysis:


Bernie Sanders had a great week. He won big in five Western caucuses: Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Utah and Hawaii. It was enough to whittle Hillary Clinton’s pledged-delegate lead to around 230, despite her own solid win in Arizona.

To get to a majority, not counting superdelegates, Mr. Sanders now needs more than 56 percent of the remaining pledged delegates.

It might not look too daunting after he just won at least 70 percent of the vote in five states. But the remaining states aren’t especially welcoming for him. Mrs. Clinton’s delegate advantage seems likelier to grow over the rest of the contests than to shrink. The remaining states force Mr. Sanders to confront his big weaknesses: affluence, diversity, establishment-friendly areas and closed primary contests.

To get a sense of how the rest of the Democratic race plays out, consider how the remaining states might vote if they follow the same demographic patterns of the first half of the primary season. The patterns include the results for all of the states where The Associated Press has reported the results by county.

Our model estimates that Mrs. Clinton would win around 54 percent of the remaining delegates, not including nonstate contests like Puerto Rico. She loses in a bunch of predominantly white, working-class states where Mr. Sanders is hoping to fare well: Wisconsin, Wyoming, North Dakota, Kentucky, Oregon, Indiana and West Virginia. But she holds on in the affluent and diverse states along the coasts. Mr. Sanders will need to win these states — and probably by a comfortable margin — to overtake her delegate lead.

It’s important to note that this type of a model is not a prediction. It merely supposes that the rest of the campaign follows the same demographic patterns of the first half. And sometimes voters go another way. The model put Mrs. Clinton on track for a big win in Michigan, which she ultimately lost. After Michigan, the same approach predicted a close race in demographically similar Ohio, where she got a big win.

Just this last week, Mr. Sanders beat the expectations of this model in all five caucus states (but underperformed by more in Arizona). There’s no reason he can’t do it again. But this approach does give a broad sense of what’s left, and it doesn’t suggest a great opportunity for Mr. Sanders.

Closed Primaries

Mrs. Clinton has fared much worse in caucuses and open contests — those that allow voters who aren’t registered as Democrats — than she has in primaries or closed contests.

So far, she has done about nine percentage points better in primaries than in caucuses, and three points better in closed contests than in open ones.

The five big wins for Mr. Sanders all came in open caucuses.There’s only one open caucus left, North Dakota, and one closed caucus, Wyoming.

Mr. Sanders, conversely, has fared worse in closed primaries, like Arizona and Florida. These primaries tend to exclude the independent-leaning voters who most often support Mr. Sanders. Registered Democrats also tend to be older; the young, especially young whites, are most likely to register as independents.

There are a lot of closed contests left, including New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Connecticut, New Mexico, Delaware, Kentucky and Oregon. Mr. Sanders has not yet won a closed primary.

Mr. Sanders will have the benefit of open or semi-open primaries in just California, Montana, Wisconsin, Indiana and West Virginia.

Affluence

Mrs. Clinton tends to do best in affluent areas. It was even true in Mr. Sanders’s big wins this last week — she fared better in places like Seattle’s King County and Park City’s Summit County in Utah.

The model estimates that Mrs. Clinton would fare 27 points better in a county where 100 percent of households made more than $100,000 a year than she would in a demographically similar county where no households were so well off. She also does better in places where the finance industry is strong.

That’s good news for her in the Bay Area and the Northeastern corridor — two of the most affluent regions of the country. There has already been a sneak preview of her strength there: She won decisively in Northern Virginia and the Boston metropolitan area.

The remaining states force Bernie Sanders to confront his big weaknesses: affluence, diversity, establishment-friendly areas and closed primary contests. Credit Kim Raff for The New York Times
Diversity

Mrs. Clinton fares best in areas with large numbers of Hispanic or black voters. She does better among these voters in the South than in the North, but it’s nonetheless an advantage for her in California and along the Acela Corridor, where there is an above-average percentage of nonwhite voters.

The model picks up on Mrs. Clinton’s strength among nonwhite voters in a few ways, but the bottom line is that she has won every primary where white voters represent a below-average share of the electorate. She has won all but one county where nonwhite voters represented a majority of eligible voters in a primary — as is now the case in California as a whole.

Her big win in Arizona might be particularly indicative of her likely strength in Southern California and the state’s Central Valley.

Establishment Politics

Mr. Sanders has fared best in areas known for supporting anti-establishment politics — going all the way back to Teddy Roosevelt, Robert La Follette and Henry Wallace.

This model uses the last three major third-party candidates as a proxy for anti-establishment sentiment: John Anderson in 1980, Ross Perot in 1992 and Ralph Nader in 2000. It has another variable for the “Nader Democrats” — the share of Nader voters in 2000 as a percentage of the total of Al Gore and Nader voters.

These are very powerful predictors of Mr. Sanders’s strength. Alaska, for instance, has the highest number of Nader Democrats and was the best state for Mr. Sanders outside his home state, Vermont.

It bodes well for Mr. Sanders in Oregon, Montana and Wisconsin. But it won’t go very far for him in California or the Northeast.

The Anti-Obama Vote

One thing Mr. Sanders has going for him are the anti-Obama Democrats.

Mr. Sanders has generally fared poorly in the South and Appalachia, but he has tended to do better in a surprising spot: areas where there are large numbers of the old registered Democrats who vote Republican in presidential elections, but nonetheless find themselves trapped in a Democratic primary thanks to a closed or semi-closed system.

These conservative voters appear to be choosing Mr. Sanders in big numbers. You can see the traces of it in the stark increase in Mr. Sanders’s support when you cross from Georgia into the Florida Panhandle, a state with a closed primary and party registration. You can see it along the borders of Oklahoma, and along the North Carolina border as well. It shows up in another way: the large numbers of voters who are voting for “uncommitted” or a minor candidate.

It’s not entirely clear whether these voters actually support Mr. Sanders. The exit polls in Oklahoma showed Mr. Sanders winning big — 59 percent to 24 percent — among the large number (28 percent) of voters who wanted the next president to change to less liberal policies. That doesn’t necessarily mean they don’t support Mr. Sanders; perhaps they think of liberalism in cultural terms, like racial issues or guns. But it does raise doubts. Mr. Sanders won easily among the 17 percent of voters who trusted neither candidate in an international crisis.

The model accounts for this with a surprising variable: Barack Obama’s share of the vote in the 2012 Democratic primary. That’s not a typo. As president and running without a major opponent, Mr. Obama won just 57 percent of the vote in Oklahoma in 2012, thanks to these conservatives who still vote in Democratic primaries.

The pattern is good news for Mr. Sanders in West Virginia and Kentucky, with the model putting him over the top there, even though Mr. Sanders has lost almost all of the counties bordering these two states. Without this variable, Mrs. Clinton would be favored in both states.

Adding It Up

Mr. Sanders has the potential to win several states with more than 56 percent of the vote, like North Dakota, Wyoming, Montana — and even Oregon, South Dakota and Wisconsin. But these states are worth just 13 percent of the remaining delegates.

Mrs. Clinton could easily win many of the contests along the more diverse and affluent East Coast in primaries in Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, New Jersey, New York and the District of Columbia.

Even if Mrs. Clinton doesn’t fare as well as the projections suggest, Mr. Sanders is very unlikely to win by a double-digit margin. He will have to make up for those delegates elsewhere.

Mr. Sanders has better opportunities to win in California, Indiana, Kentucky, New Mexico and Rhode Island. But he is not a clear favorite in these states, and may be considered an underdog in the biggest prize: California.

But Mr. Sanders needs more than merely a win in California. He needs to win there by at least 20 percentage points, considering that he is unlikely to win at least 56 percent of the vote along the Acela Corridor.

So far, Mr. Sanders has won only two of the 21 primaries by more than 16 points: Vermont, his home state, and neighboring New Hampshire.

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Thanks for that detailed analysis! LegalLord, feel free to ignore my posts if you're not interested in them -- I'll be sure to tell Plouffe his piece was "low content", though
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March 29 2016 15:42 GMT
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there is ample opportunity for a split of the dem party. give these guys a region of the country to run and see how. that works out.


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