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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 25 2016 14:24 GMT
#60481
http://www.reuters.com/article/china-economy-badloans-securities-idUSL3N1643XF

potential spillover to world markets with this stuff.
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 25 2016 14:25 GMT
#60482
It feels like China is going through their own version of our financial crisis regarding bad loans.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 25 2016 14:28 GMT
#60483
The thing is that stuff like the girl asking for Clinton to apologize has always happened. We just didn’t have Iphones and recording equipment time like we do now. Looking to random youtube videos for insight into BLM or any other movement is dumb. If I took a single drunk, rude and assholish homeless vet on the street as reflective of all vets that need help, that wouldn’t much better. Sure would be easy though.
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RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6280 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:32:04
February 25 2016 14:31 GMT
#60484
On February 25 2016 23:25 Mohdoo wrote:
It feels like China is going through their own version of our financial crisis regarding bad loans.

China has a lot more bad loans than the US and EU banks in the crisis and has had something similar like this decades ago. They haven't even truely fixed those NPLs. The difference is that Chinese banks have the government as a backstop (even moreso than too big to fail banks).
LegalLord
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
United States13779 Posts
February 25 2016 14:35 GMT
#60485
On February 25 2016 23:18 Deathstar wrote:
I would sympathize but monolithic voters are what they are.

Obama and Reid are currently vetting a former Republican governor who's anti-union for SCOTUS. I don't even...

I wonder if they really want him as a candidate or if they're trying to make the Republican senate look like morons for undermining the constitution.
History will sooner or later sweep the European Union away without mercy.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
February 25 2016 14:36 GMT
#60486
Just scanning the last 3 pages of this thread. Interesting that the main discussion is about Clinton v Bernie instead of the fact that DONALD TRUMP is actually going to be the candidate for the republicans.

How is this even allowed to happen.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 25 2016 14:38 GMT
#60487
On February 25 2016 23:35 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:18 Deathstar wrote:
I would sympathize but monolithic voters are what they are.

Obama and Reid are currently vetting a former Republican governor who's anti-union for SCOTUS. I don't even...

I wonder if they really want him as a candidate or if they're trying to make the Republican senate look like morons for undermining the constitution.


I think it is partly that and also partly the fact that the administration may be starting to think the senate will go yallqaeda on everyone and block any nominations they don't think are excellent.
Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 25 2016 14:38 GMT
#60488
On February 25 2016 23:35 LegalLord wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:18 Deathstar wrote:
I would sympathize but monolithic voters are what they are.

Obama and Reid are currently vetting a former Republican governor who's anti-union for SCOTUS. I don't even...

I wonder if they really want him as a candidate or if they're trying to make the Republican senate look like morons for undermining the constitution.


Considering Obama pushed hard for TPP against the Democratic Party, I don't even know what to think of Obama now. I think he's serious. Republicans will continue to say "no" until they say yes to an anti-union Republican for SCOTUS under a Democratic presidency.
rip passion
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24032 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:43:00
February 25 2016 14:39 GMT
#60489
Think about how terrifying it could be to potentially end Hillary's chance at the presidency like that. Confronting Hillary under any circumstances would probably even have our resident conservatives stumbling over their words. Let alone in a hostile environment with someone yelling "you're trespassing" shortly after you start speaking (and already paid $500 to be there) with the potential to change the whole race.

That she went into that fancy house with secret service and a room full of rich and powerful white folks all booing and hissing at her took courage. Even if people don't agree with her, it takes guts, guts I'd bet many here wouldn't have.

On February 25 2016 23:36 Laurens wrote:
Just scanning the last 3 pages of this thread. Interesting that the main discussion is about Clinton v Bernie instead of the fact that DONALD TRUMP is actually going to be the candidate for the republicans.

How is this even allowed to happen.


I said it a long time ago, got confirmed after the votes started, only the people in the most denial haven't come around to it yet.

Hillary can't handle "artful smears" or a BLM protester without Secret Service and Brock begging Sanders to be nice, and people think she would stand a chance against a Trump that would go full scorched earth, nope.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
February 25 2016 14:40 GMT
#60490
On February 25 2016 23:36 Laurens wrote:
Just scanning the last 3 pages of this thread. Interesting that the main discussion is about Clinton v Bernie instead of the fact that DONALD TRUMP is actually going to be the candidate for the republicans.

How is this even allowed to happen.


Trump hasn't secured the nomination yet. He's the clear favorite, but he won't really clinch it until/unless he wins Florida and Ohio.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 14:41:20
February 25 2016 14:40 GMT
#60491
obama pushed TPP as a geopolitical move in asia. congressional democrats are just up against it with all the anti-trade sentiment from the base, to which it has far more exposure than obama. (obviously)
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 25 2016 14:43 GMT
#60492
On February 25 2016 23:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Think about how terrifying it could be to potentially end Hillary's chance at the presidency like that. Confronting Hillary under any circumstances would probably even have our resident conservatives stumbling over their words. Let alone in a hostile environment with someone yelling "you're trespassing" shortly after you start speaking (and already paid $500 to be there) with the potential to change the whole race.

That she went into that fancy house with secret service and a room full of rich and powerful white folks all booing and hissing at her took courage. Even if people don't agree with her, it takes guts, guts I'd bet many here wouldn't have.


So she had guts, got kicked out of a building and wasted her night. What good did she really get out of these guts? What did she walk away with other than a youtube video with 20k views? She's not the first BLM idiot to try disrupting a candidates speech. They do this all the time. She's not special in the slightest other than being really worked up over racial issues to the point of asking ridiculous questions repeatedly in a loud, obnoxious way.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24032 Posts
February 25 2016 14:45 GMT
#60493
On February 25 2016 23:43 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:39 GreenHorizons wrote:
Think about how terrifying it could be to potentially end Hillary's chance at the presidency like that. Confronting Hillary under any circumstances would probably even have our resident conservatives stumbling over their words. Let alone in a hostile environment with someone yelling "you're trespassing" shortly after you start speaking (and already paid $500 to be there) with the potential to change the whole race.

That she went into that fancy house with secret service and a room full of rich and powerful white folks all booing and hissing at her took courage. Even if people don't agree with her, it takes guts, guts I'd bet many here wouldn't have.


So she had guts, got kicked out of a building and wasted her night. What good did she really get out of these guts? What did she walk away with other than a youtube video with 20k views? She's not the first BLM idiot to try disrupting a candidates speech. They do this all the time. She's not special in the slightest other than being really worked up over racial issues to the point of asking ridiculous questions repeatedly in a loud, obnoxious way.


It's too bad there aren't any black Hillary supporters here. I just hope Hillary supporters are spreading this stuff everywhere so Black folks can see where she and them really stand.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 25 2016 14:45 GMT
#60494
i genuinely feel extremely bad about the way the BLM movement has gone. this sort of stuff is precisely the outcome i was concerned about back when the first mass protests were happening. the reception to these movements by the privileged mainstream society is extremely sensitive to any 'bad' behavior because of the implicit or explicit bias and inability to relate to particular ghetto experiences.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 25 2016 14:47 GMT
#60495
On February 25 2016 23:38 Deathstar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:35 LegalLord wrote:
On February 25 2016 23:18 Deathstar wrote:
I would sympathize but monolithic voters are what they are.

Obama and Reid are currently vetting a former Republican governor who's anti-union for SCOTUS. I don't even...

I wonder if they really want him as a candidate or if they're trying to make the Republican senate look like morons for undermining the constitution.


Considering Obama pushed hard for TPP against the Democratic Party, I don't even know what to think of Obama now. I think he's serious. Republicans will continue to say "no" until they say yes to an anti-union Republican for SCOTUS under a Democratic presidency.

Although he fought against the local unions when he was governor, you need to look at his rulings as a judge as well. They are two very separate offices. He is also pro-solar energy as well.

But this is clearly an intentional leak by the White House and they might not even being considering him. Its just to get the news talking about the Obama’s choices, rather than the senate saying they won’t hold hearings. Its to start the press asking the senate “well what about this person” so they are painted into a corner.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
February 25 2016 14:53 GMT
#60496
GreenHorizons, since you didn't want to wager your vote in the general election, how about your support for Clinton on these forums? If Clinton wins the Democratic primary, you have to stop posting any negative comments about her here, and only be positive whenever you mention her, until the general election results come out. I'll let you suggest what I have to do if Sanders gets the nomination (perhaps the same + a sig like "I was wrong, GreenHorizons was right, #ifeelthebern"?).
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
February 25 2016 14:55 GMT
#60497
On February 25 2016 23:45 oneofthem wrote:
i genuinely feel extremely bad about the way the BLM movement has gone. this sort of stuff is precisely the outcome i was concerned about back when the first mass protests were happening. the reception to these movements by the privileged mainstream society is extremely sensitive to any 'bad' behavior because of the implicit or explicit bias and inability to relate to particular ghetto experiences.


I think it could have been extremely successful if it was focused, deliberate and organized. If they would have stuck to protesting police violence or unfair convictions or stuff like that in huge masses, that would have been really great. But these somewhat terrorist'ish stunts where someone hides in the crowd until the perfect moment to make a huge scene and get kicked out is just so meaningless. NO one is going to feel inspired by that. A massive protest outside a courthouse that won't let some young black kid going to jail for 20 years for a half smoked blunt in his back pocket? I'd get behind that. I'd share and support it. But asking Hilary Clinton to apologize for mass incarceration is sensationalist, meaningless nonsense. It doesn't reflect a movement, it reflects a mad girl repeating herself over and over.
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 25 2016 14:55 GMT
#60498
On February 25 2016 23:53 kwizach wrote:
GreenHorizons, since you didn't want to wager your vote in the general election, how about your support for Clinton on these forums? If Clinton wins the Democratic primary, you have to stop posting any negative comments about her here, and only be positive whenever you mention her, until the general election results come out. I'll let you suggest what I have to do if Sanders gets the nomination (perhaps the same + a sig like "I was wrong, GreenHorizons was right, #ifeelthebern"?).

don't think it's fair to GH to take this bet tho since he's the most vocal anti-hillary bernie guy here, while you are not the most vocal anti-bernie guy.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
February 25 2016 14:56 GMT
#60499
On February 25 2016 23:47 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:38 Deathstar wrote:
On February 25 2016 23:35 LegalLord wrote:
On February 25 2016 23:18 Deathstar wrote:
I would sympathize but monolithic voters are what they are.

Obama and Reid are currently vetting a former Republican governor who's anti-union for SCOTUS. I don't even...

I wonder if they really want him as a candidate or if they're trying to make the Republican senate look like morons for undermining the constitution.


Considering Obama pushed hard for TPP against the Democratic Party, I don't even know what to think of Obama now. I think he's serious. Republicans will continue to say "no" until they say yes to an anti-union Republican for SCOTUS under a Democratic presidency.

But this is clearly an intentional leak by the White House and they might not even being considering him. Its just to get the news talking about the Obama’s choices, rather than the senate saying they won’t hold hearings. Its to start the press asking the senate “well what about this person” so they are painted into a corner.

At the same time, though, this could backfire: if he ends up choosing a more liberal nominee, Republicans will be able to start a "we told you so!" narrative, saying Obama did not even try to pick a nominee that would have a chance of going through, like that Republican governor. We'll see.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-25 15:32:38
February 25 2016 14:57 GMT
#60500
On February 25 2016 23:55 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:53 kwizach wrote:
GreenHorizons, since you didn't want to wager your vote in the general election, how about your support for Clinton on these forums? If Clinton wins the Democratic primary, you have to stop posting any negative comments about her here, and only be positive whenever you mention her, until the general election results come out. I'll let you suggest what I have to do if Sanders gets the nomination (perhaps the same + a sig like "I was wrong, GreenHorizons was right, #ifeelthebern"?).

don't think it's fair to GH to take this bet tho since he's the most vocal anti-hillary bernie guy here, while you are not the most vocal anti-bernie guy.

That's why I added the sig on my end, but yes, I'm open to suggestions by GH as to what I should do if Sanders wins :-)

On February 25 2016 23:55 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 25 2016 23:45 oneofthem wrote:
i genuinely feel extremely bad about the way the BLM movement has gone. this sort of stuff is precisely the outcome i was concerned about back when the first mass protests were happening. the reception to these movements by the privileged mainstream society is extremely sensitive to any 'bad' behavior because of the implicit or explicit bias and inability to relate to particular ghetto experiences.


I think it could have been extremely successful if it was focused, deliberate and organized. If they would have stuck to protesting police violence or unfair convictions or stuff like that in huge masses, that would have been really great. But these somewhat terrorist'ish stunts where someone hides in the crowd until the perfect moment to make a huge scene and get kicked out is just so meaningless. NO one is going to feel inspired by that. A massive protest outside a courthouse that won't let some young black kid going to jail for 20 years for a half smoked blunt in his back pocket? I'd get behind that. I'd share and support it. But asking Hilary Clinton to apologize for mass incarceration is sensationalist, meaningless nonsense. It doesn't reflect a movement, it reflects a mad girl repeating herself over and over.

Exactly.
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
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