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On February 09 2016 00:16 ticklishmusic wrote:
Rubio is the driver whose momentum wasn't stopped by brakes, but by running into a concrete wall. I bet he hasn't slept the last two nights knowing how badly he screwed up. The dude looks like he lost his soul.
Running for president puts a lot of pressure on you.
Being the GOP's sole hope must be even worse.
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On February 09 2016 00:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
We'll see Tuesday anything less than 3rd is a disaster for Rubio.
A week ago I would have argued that Rubio placing third would be fine so long as he placed ahead of the rest of his establishment rivals, as that would enshrine him as the establishment favorite and winnow out practically everyone but Jeb. I've changed my mind as the week has progressed.
Iowa set new expectations. Rubio's surge, "3-2-1" strategy, and media buzz have created an environment where a third place finish in New Hampshire will look as much like losing as his third place finish in Iowa looked like winning. This is even more true post-gaffe, as the media will spin his fall from an apparent lock on second and potential challenge to Trump as the result of that gaffe, creating a negative maelstrom. A shaky third place finish with that kind of media attention is likely to encourage some of his rivals to stick around, and if they're the ones who pick up votes from those who drop out Rubio will be in trouble.
Now, if he places a decisive third (i.e. with a significant margin over his establishment rivals) then he might be okay, but that would still mean Cruz overperformed expectations in New Hampshire, and likely cement the three-way race between Trump, Cruz, and Rubio that many think would inexorably lead to a brokered convention. Rubio might still win out in that scenario, but it won't be a clean win.
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have to say hillary's recent behavior has disappointed me. she goes back to identity politics on the first instance, relying on the power base built through interest group politics. this is precisely the wrong kind of politics to find solutions in this climate. it's just no good.
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On February 09 2016 02:23 oneofthem wrote:
have to say hillary's recent behavior has disappointed me. she goes back to identity politics on the first instance, relying on the power base built through interest group politics. this is precisely the wrong kind of politics to find solutions in this climate. it's just no good.
Yep, her playbook is looking a little dated. You know it's bad when WashPo releases a story talking about how Hillary is having trouble attracting the female vote.
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Keane Schwarz is certain he knows the outcome of the vote in his precinct: He was the lone caucusgoer in Woodbury County No. 43.
But the Iowa Democratic Party's final results state that Hillary Clinton won one county delegate and Bernie Sanders received zero.
"I voted for Bernie," Schwarz, 36, of Oto, told The Des Moines Register. “It was really suspicious … I’m actually pretty irate about it.”
Some complaints that Iowa Democrats have shared with the Register about discrepancies in caucus results appear to be valid. Others stem from confusion over how the math-heavy delegate-awarding system works in the Democrats' caucus process.
Party officials on Friday night were still reviewing reports and correcting errors and hadn’t yet shared candidates' updated totals of state delegate equivalents, which determine the winner of the caucuses.
Sanders’ backers are more likely than Clinton’s to think the political system is rigged, polling has found. So it might not come as a surprise, especially since he lost by a hairsbreadth, that some think the Democratic caucus system is rigged. It also doesn't help the optics that the state party chairwoman drove around for years in a car with “HRC2016” license plates.
Several caucusgoers told the Register they thought Sanders had been shorted county delegates, including in Knoxville No. 3.
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I'm not surprised that the process is rigged, just ask the 43rd President of the United States, Al Gore.
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Oh Al Gore. So close to being able to turn not- votes into votes in Miami Dade.
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Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) campaign has sent out a mailer that says on the envelope that there is a "check enclosed," but the document inside asks for a donation with a fake check made out to the Cruz campaign, the Huffington Post reported on Sunday.
The return address on the envelope says it came from "U.S. Senator Ted Cruz" in a font that looks official. Below his name on the envelope in smaller text, the envelope reads, "Personal business" and "Not printed or mailed at taxpayer expense."
The mailer includes a fake check made out to "Cruz for President," and a letter says that a "group of generous supporters" will match any contribution made to the campaign.
"Your contribution of $45 to 'Cruz for President' — as long as you respond quickly — will be immediately matched for double the impact …" the letter reads. "… resulting in a $90 contribution to support my campaign for President of the United States."
"A group of generous supporters recently joined up with our campaign, but instead of just donating money, they want to challenge other conservatives like you all over America to join our grassroots team as well," Cruz's campaign says in the letter.
The Huffington Post published images of the mailer received by a New Jersey resident. Individuals in numerous other states then told the Huffington Post that they also received the mailer.
The mailer also tells recipients that "Washington Republicans" are using super PACs to try to defeat Cruz's presidential campaign as the primaries get going.
Source
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On February 09 2016 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) campaign has sent out a mailer that says on the envelope that there is a "check enclosed," but the document inside asks for a donation with a fake check made out to the Cruz campaign, the Huffington Post reported on Sunday.
The return address on the envelope says it came from "U.S. Senator Ted Cruz" in a font that looks official. Below his name on the envelope in smaller text, the envelope reads, "Personal business" and "Not printed or mailed at taxpayer expense."
The mailer includes a fake check made out to "Cruz for President," and a letter says that a "group of generous supporters" will match any contribution made to the campaign.
"Your contribution of $45 to 'Cruz for President' — as long as you respond quickly — will be immediately matched for double the impact …" the letter reads. "… resulting in a $90 contribution to support my campaign for President of the United States."
"A group of generous supporters recently joined up with our campaign, but instead of just donating money, they want to challenge other conservatives like you all over America to join our grassroots team as well," Cruz's campaign says in the letter.
The Huffington Post published images of the mailer received by a New Jersey resident. Individuals in numerous other states then told the Huffington Post that they also received the mailer.
The mailer also tells recipients that "Washington Republicans" are using super PACs to try to defeat Cruz's presidential campaign as the primaries get going. Source
I am wondering if this kind of thing actually attracts any new donations. At least for me, even if i were initially tricked by the outside appearance of such an ad, the second i found out what was going on i would be even less likely to donate anything to someone who apparently a) thinks that i am incredibly stupid and b) obviously wants to deceive me.
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Cruz is so sleazy that is beggars the imagination. I bet we could get a petition to stop him from running for president and it would get more signatures than he could get votes
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On February 09 2016 03:11 ticklishmusic wrote:
Cruz is so sleazy that is beggars the imagination. I bet we could get a petition to stop him from running for president and it would get more signatures than he could get votes
Yeah, Cruz does have a bit of a stink to him. I have no doubt that he's sincere with his positions politically, but the sleaze that you referenced isn't lost on me. It's not as bad as someone like Hillary, but it's noticeable.
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On February 09 2016 03:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 03:11 ticklishmusic wrote:
Cruz is so sleazy that is beggars the imagination. I bet we could get a petition to stop him from running for president and it would get more signatures than he could get votes Yeah, Cruz does have a bit of a stink to him. I have no doubt that he's sincere with his positions politically, but the sleaze that you referenced isn't lost on me. It's not as bad as someone like Hillary, but it's noticeable.
As you know, I'll beg to differ on the Hillary bit-- not worth starting off the week making the same arguments again 
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Considering Cruz also tried to trick people with "voting violations' in Iowa it truly shows his character.
TL post about it
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On February 09 2016 02:23 oneofthem wrote:
have to say hillary's recent behavior has disappointed me. she goes back to identity politics on the first instance, relying on the power base built through interest group politics. this is precisely the wrong kind of politics to find solutions in this climate. it's just no good.
I can say that the progression of this campaign makes me like her less and less. I don't think she'd win in November because she has too much stink and her support level as of now is probably peaked.
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Canada11350 Posts
On February 09 2016 03:03 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) campaign has sent out a mailer that says on the envelope that there is a "check enclosed," but the document inside asks for a donation with a fake check made out to the Cruz campaign, the Huffington Post reported on Sunday.
The return address on the envelope says it came from "U.S. Senator Ted Cruz" in a font that looks official. Below his name on the envelope in smaller text, the envelope reads, "Personal business" and "Not printed or mailed at taxpayer expense."
The mailer includes a fake check made out to "Cruz for President," and a letter says that a "group of generous supporters" will match any contribution made to the campaign.
"Your contribution of $45 to 'Cruz for President' — as long as you respond quickly — will be immediately matched for double the impact …" the letter reads. "… resulting in a $90 contribution to support my campaign for President of the United States."
"A group of generous supporters recently joined up with our campaign, but instead of just donating money, they want to challenge other conservatives like you all over America to join our grassroots team as well," Cruz's campaign says in the letter.
The Huffington Post published images of the mailer received by a New Jersey resident. Individuals in numerous other states then told the Huffington Post that they also received the mailer.
The mailer also tells recipients that "Washington Republicans" are using super PACs to try to defeat Cruz's presidential campaign as the primaries get going. Source I am wondering if this kind of thing actually attracts any new donations. At least for me, even if i were initially tricked by the outside appearance of such an ad, the second i found out what was going on i would be even less likely to donate anything to someone who apparently a) thinks that i am incredibly stupid and b) obviously wants to deceive me.
It's awful lot like Robert Tilton (without the horns), and his mailing scams worked well for years. Hopefully people are more cognizant of this sort of stuff, but you never know.
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considering the fact that republicans are very reliant on old white people and they are usually not the most tech savvy persons/prone to fall for scams... hope is needed indeed.
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On February 09 2016 03:30 Falling wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 03:03 Simberto wrote:On February 09 2016 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) campaign has sent out a mailer that says on the envelope that there is a "check enclosed," but the document inside asks for a donation with a fake check made out to the Cruz campaign, the Huffington Post reported on Sunday.
The return address on the envelope says it came from "U.S. Senator Ted Cruz" in a font that looks official. Below his name on the envelope in smaller text, the envelope reads, "Personal business" and "Not printed or mailed at taxpayer expense."
The mailer includes a fake check made out to "Cruz for President," and a letter says that a "group of generous supporters" will match any contribution made to the campaign.
"Your contribution of $45 to 'Cruz for President' — as long as you respond quickly — will be immediately matched for double the impact …" the letter reads. "… resulting in a $90 contribution to support my campaign for President of the United States."
"A group of generous supporters recently joined up with our campaign, but instead of just donating money, they want to challenge other conservatives like you all over America to join our grassroots team as well," Cruz's campaign says in the letter.
The Huffington Post published images of the mailer received by a New Jersey resident. Individuals in numerous other states then told the Huffington Post that they also received the mailer.
The mailer also tells recipients that "Washington Republicans" are using super PACs to try to defeat Cruz's presidential campaign as the primaries get going. Source I am wondering if this kind of thing actually attracts any new donations. At least for me, even if i were initially tricked by the outside appearance of such an ad, the second i found out what was going on i would be even less likely to donate anything to someone who apparently a) thinks that i am incredibly stupid and b) obviously wants to deceive me. It's awful lot like Robert Tilton (without the horns), and his mailing scams worked well for years. Hopefully people are more cognizant of this sort of stuff, but you never know.
Ok, i looked that guy up, and what the fuck. How do you find people who believe in a church which apparently has the main doctrine of "give me money". It just seems like such an obvious scam to me.
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On February 09 2016 04:18 Simberto wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2016 03:30 Falling wrote:On February 09 2016 03:03 Simberto wrote:On February 09 2016 02:52 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Sen. Ted Cruz's (R-TX) campaign has sent out a mailer that says on the envelope that there is a "check enclosed," but the document inside asks for a donation with a fake check made out to the Cruz campaign, the Huffington Post reported on Sunday.
The return address on the envelope says it came from "U.S. Senator Ted Cruz" in a font that looks official. Below his name on the envelope in smaller text, the envelope reads, "Personal business" and "Not printed or mailed at taxpayer expense."
The mailer includes a fake check made out to "Cruz for President," and a letter says that a "group of generous supporters" will match any contribution made to the campaign.
"Your contribution of $45 to 'Cruz for President' — as long as you respond quickly — will be immediately matched for double the impact …" the letter reads. "… resulting in a $90 contribution to support my campaign for President of the United States."
"A group of generous supporters recently joined up with our campaign, but instead of just donating money, they want to challenge other conservatives like you all over America to join our grassroots team as well," Cruz's campaign says in the letter.
The Huffington Post published images of the mailer received by a New Jersey resident. Individuals in numerous other states then told the Huffington Post that they also received the mailer.
The mailer also tells recipients that "Washington Republicans" are using super PACs to try to defeat Cruz's presidential campaign as the primaries get going. Source I am wondering if this kind of thing actually attracts any new donations. At least for me, even if i were initially tricked by the outside appearance of such an ad, the second i found out what was going on i would be even less likely to donate anything to someone who apparently a) thinks that i am incredibly stupid and b) obviously wants to deceive me. It's awful lot like Robert Tilton (without the horns), and his mailing scams worked well for years. Hopefully people are more cognizant of this sort of stuff, but you never know. Ok, i looked that guy up, and what the fuck. How do you find people who believe in a church which apparently has the main doctrine of "give me money". It just seems like such an obvious scam to me.
As parodied by John Oliver:
http://www.ourladyofperpetualexemption.com/
Everyone wants a shortcut to wealth, success, recognition, love, heaven, etc. Some are just worse about it than others.
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I don't know if this is what Robert Tilton did but some pastors have an "invest in god" proposition where you give money to the pastor and then god will give you good fortune later in life.
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I practice a similar system with the stock market. It's about as effective but a little more faith based than this investing in God thing you describe.
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