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Deathstar
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
9150 Posts
February 07 2016 19:53 GMT
#57261
On February 08 2016 04:40 Doublemint wrote:
highly relevant.

+ Show Spoiler +


#BernYourEnthusiams


Lmao reminded me about this article

For a candidate who has inspired the most impassioned followers since Barack Obama in 2008, Mr. Sanders is surprisingly impersonal, even uninterested, in one-on-one exchanges — the sort of momentary encounters in which a candidate can show warmth and humility by gripping every open palm.

He rarely drops by diners or coffee shops with news cameras in tow, unlike most politicians. He hardly ever kisses babies, aides say, and does not mingle much at fund-raisers. To Mr. Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont, political schmoozing is a phony business, and anathema to his total focus on weighty issues.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/01/us/politics/bernie-sanders-doesnt-kiss-babies-that-a-problem.html
rip passion
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
February 07 2016 21:51 GMT
#57262
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 07 2016 22:12 GMT
#57263
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?
Moderatorshe/her
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
February 07 2016 22:20 GMT
#57264
On February 08 2016 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?


Yup.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 07 2016 22:22 GMT
#57265
On February 08 2016 07:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?


Yup.

https://youtu.be/msMhG_FUnXE?t=40s

That is honestly absurd. Especially with the full context.
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TL+ Member
JW_DTLA
Profile Joined December 2015
242 Posts
February 08 2016 01:47 GMT
#57266
On February 08 2016 07:22 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 07:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?


Yup.

https://youtu.be/msMhG_FUnXE?t=40s

That is honestly absurd. Especially with the full context.


I am so committed to mainstream Democratic party policy priorities that pointless group-targeting throwaway lines like this don't even phase me anymore. If this is what women need to hear, go for it. I feel Hillary's half hearted laugh at a line she can't really buy in to.
ErectedZenith
Profile Joined January 2016
325 Posts
February 08 2016 01:58 GMT
#57267
On February 08 2016 07:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?


Yup.

https://youtu.be/msMhG_FUnXE?t=40s


Yeah I don't think hell exists....so that point is moot.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
February 08 2016 12:15 GMT
#57268
I just listened to the Meet the Press podcast, those FUCKERS! They edited out the booing of Hillary when she called Bernie's campaign a smear campaign!
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
February 08 2016 12:24 GMT
#57269
On February 08 2016 10:47 JW_DTLA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 08 2016 07:22 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 07:20 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 07:12 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 06:51 GreenHorizons wrote:
On February 08 2016 04:33 The_Templar wrote:
On February 08 2016 00:10 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Madeline Albrigt says there is a special place in hell for women don't support Clinton.

Then Gloria Steinem says the only reason young women support Sanders in hopes of meeting boys.

All in the same night. Talk about a train wreck, hope to draw supporters by insulting them.

Do people actually respect them for saying that? That's horrible.



Hillary and her supporters at the rally seemed to think Albright's line was great, it received raucous applause and Hillary did her laugh.

Can I have a source for that?


Yup.

https://youtu.be/msMhG_FUnXE?t=40s

That is honestly absurd. Especially with the full context.


I am so committed to mainstream Democratic party policy priorities that pointless group-targeting throwaway lines like this don't even phase me anymore. If this is what women need to hear, go for it. I feel Hillary's half hearted laugh at a line she can't really buy in to.

I still don't get how Hillary's body language coaches don't work wit her on her dead eye forced super fake laugh.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2016 13:27 GMT
#57270
MANCHESTER, N.H. — The pundits think he’s nearing the end. His donors are itching to jump ship. But Jeb Bush thinks he’s about to take the first step toward an unlikely comeback.

“You don’t have to listen to the pundits,” Bush told voters here. “In fact, you’ll figure it out for the pundits.”

The Bush campaign enters its last day before New Hampshire votes with the single aim of delivering a top-five performance that justifies pushing south, where they say they believe a better organization and a family rescue plan will drag his candidacy up from the cellar.

And with every 2016 front-runner wounded – Donald Trump failing to beef up a sub-par ground game after an embarrassing Iowa loss, Ted Cruz looking manipulative after duping Ben Carson’s supporters, and Marco Rubio's over-rehearsed debate performance feeding the robotic stereotype he spent a campaign trying to shed – Bush’s team has newfound optimism, especially over the weekend as he saw the biggest crowds of his campaign here.

“Jeb’s network in South Carolina is just as strong as the other three candidates who are likely to survive,” said one long-time Bush donor, speaking privately. “He just has to get there.”

But even with a strong organization and family network of Bush loyalists streaming into New Hampshire, it’s a heavy lift. Just the mention of his name elicits laughs from Trump’s crowds. His deadpan aside to a town hall last week, asking them to “please clap,” exploded into an Internet meme seemingly encapsulating a fallen frontrunner’s sad predicament. In interviews over the last week, reporters have been asking if he’ll drop out should he do poorly here.


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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
February 08 2016 13:37 GMT
#57271
Honestly, are shock statements like that surprising? These are political rallies, the atmosphere is similar to that of a prep rally or a sports rally back in high school.
But I am glad that the older feminists are really showing their contempt for young people by being more than willing to ignore their economic needs as long as they can secure a place for female billionaires and world leaders. Basically its a feminism for the rich
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2016 13:50 GMT
#57272
The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights plans to continue its probe Friday into the Obama administration's work on environmental justice, including efforts to enforce civil rights law, the subject of a Center for Public Integrity investigation last year. An all-day hearing in Washington, D.C., will spotlight minority communities near landfills, ponds and pits where coal ash gets dumped, and also is expected to examine the Environmental Protection Agency's record of handling discrimination complaints.

A byproduct of coal-fired electricity, coal ash contains harmful metals such as arsenic, chromium, lead, mercury and many others. One of the nation’s largest industrial waste streams, it has fouled water supplies and endangered public health across the country, spurring the EPA to regulate its disposal for the first time last year. Disadvantaged communities are often located near ash ponds, according to the EPA.

“Too often our nation’s communities of color bear the brunt of toxic substances generated by nearby plants and processes,” the commission’s Martin Castro said in a prepared statement. The bipartisan commission advises the president and Congress on civil-rights issues.

A Center investigation in August found that the EPA’s Office of Civil Rights has routinely failed to enforce Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which prohibits racial discrimination by those receiving federal financial assistance. The office has dismissed nine out of every 10 community claims alleging environmental discrimination, the Center found, and has never once issued a formal finding of a Title VI violation.

EPA officials say they have begun the work of turning the office around. They have announced plans to do more frequent compliance reviews and publish an annual report to chart the office’s progress. In December, they issued a notice of proposed rulemaking removing certain deadlines, and put out a case manual for investigators examining civil-rights claims.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
February 08 2016 13:50 GMT
#57273
I actually predicted Jeb to take second place in New Hampshire. I think it's going to be bloody there.
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TL+ Member
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 14:19:55
February 08 2016 14:19 GMT
#57274
So comment on the "got to hell" comment by Albright-- it seems like a dumb thing to say, but it's actually a pretty famous quote by her, apparently it was even on a Starbucks cup lol. I agree it sounds bad, but there's some some context around it. Plus, she's old and probably doesn't really give AF.
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23930 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 14:24:25
February 08 2016 14:19 GMT
#57275
My NH predictions as of now are:

Trump
Kasich
Jeb/Rubio/Cruz less than 4% separating them
Christie
Carson/Fiorina

Kasich could overtake Trump if independents flock to the Republican race thinking the Dem race is decided. We can expect that the better Kasich does the smaller the gap on the Dem side.

Jeb's got the polls moving in his favor, Rubio had a lead and momentum before the debate, Cruz has the best ground organizing (but only 1/12th the volunteers) in NH. Anything can happen with those three and Christie could do a bit better.

If Carson stays after NH it's out of spite and presumably establishment support to undermine Cruz, Fiorina and Christie are done, everyone else stays (unless Rubio somehow drops to 6th).

On February 08 2016 23:19 ticklishmusic wrote:
So comment on the "got to hell" comment by Albright-- it seems like a dumb thing to say, but it's actually a pretty famous quote by her. I agree it sounds bad, but there's some some context around it. Plus, she's old and probably doesn't really give AF.


The context made it worse, the line is old but using it like she did was new and just wrong. It pisses women off a lot more than me personally but either way it backfired politically.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
February 08 2016 14:28 GMT
#57276
On February 08 2016 23:19 GreenHorizons wrote:
My NH predictions as of now are:

Trump
Kasich
Jeb/Rubio/Cruz less than 4% separating them
Christie
Carson/Fiorina

Kasich could overtake Trump if independents flock to the Republican race thinking the Dem race is decided. We can expect that the better Kasich does the smaller the gap on the Dem side.

Jeb's got the polls moving in his favor, Rubio had a lead and momentum before the debate, Cruz has the best ground organizing (but only 1/12th the volunteers) in NH. Anything can happen with those three and Christie could do a bit better.

If Carson stays after NH it's out of spite and presumably establishment support to undermine Cruz, Fiorina and Christie are done, everyone else stays (unless Rubio somehow drops to 6th).


I drove up from Springfield to Keene/Harrisville to canvas yesterday. Based purely off of signage we saw, your assessment likely isn't too far off. Although we were very surprised to note that we saw 0 Rubio signs. Carson/Fiorina signs were also more present than Christie's, but I think he might actually do ok in NH.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
February 08 2016 14:54 GMT
#57277
Contracts between police and city authorities, leaked after hackers breached the website of the country’s biggest law enforcement union, contain guarantees that disciplinary records and complaints made against officers are kept secret or even destroyed.

A Guardian analysis of dozens of contracts obtained from the servers of the Fraternal Order of Police (FOP) found that more than a third featured clauses allowing – and often mandating – the destruction of records of civilian complaints, departmental investigations, or disciplinary actions after a negotiated period of time.

The review also found that 30% of the 67 leaked police contracts, which were struck between cities and police unions, included provisions barring public access to records of past civilian complaints, departmental investigations, and disciplinary actions.

Samuel Walker, a professor in criminology at the University of Nebraska, Omaha, said there was “no justification” for the cleansing of officers’ records, which could contain details of their use of force against civilians.

“The public has a right to know,” Walker said. “If there was a controversial beating, we ought to know what action was actually taken. Was it a reprimand? A suspension?”

Walker said that while an officer’s whole personnel file should not be readily available to the public outside of court proceedings, records of disciplinary action should be.

The leaked contracts became publicly accessible last week, when hackers breached the Fraternal Order of Police’s website and put around 2.5GB worth of its files online. These provide a glimpse into the influence of police unions, which Black Lives Matter activists have accused of impeding misconduct investigations, particularly after the death of 25-year-old Freddie Gray in Baltimore, Maryland in April.


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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 15:07:24
February 08 2016 15:06 GMT
#57278
Right now Fivethirtyeight.com has Rubio with only a 42% chance of placing better than third, which probably reflects recent polls that show his momentum halting. None of those polls, however, are purely post-debate (and some don't include the debate at all). It's unlikely we'll see much in the way of pure post-debate polls before we have actual primary results, but if that gaffe hurt Rubio significantly he's in trouble.
 
Rubio can't afford third (or worse), so losing even a couple of points is super dangerous. His margin on his rivals is already in the statistical noise, and with just a little bad luck he could end up in a campaign-destroying fourth behind Kasich and Cruz.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 15:16:32
February 08 2016 15:16 GMT
#57279
Rubio is the driver whose momentum wasn't stopped by brakes, but by running into a concrete wall. I bet he hasn't slept the last two nights knowing how badly he screwed up. The dude looks like he lost his soul.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-08 15:30:43
February 08 2016 15:28 GMT
#57280
We'll see Tuesday anything less than 3rd is a disaster for Rubio.

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