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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 01 2016 23:07 GMT
#56341
On February 02 2016 07:55 oneofthem wrote:
lets not compare tyson to nate. former has important papers and the latter has pecota

Both of them have the skill of breaking down complex ideas and systems to easy to understand language for the non-expert public. A valuable skill, much like the ability to educate others in a given field. And a skill that is constantly undervalued and belittled by the elite in any profession because they do not value making their profession understandable to the public.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 01 2016 23:26 GMT
#56342
On February 02 2016 07:55 oneofthem wrote:
lets not compare tyson to nate. former has important papers and the latter has pecota

I'd actually go the opposite on you there. Tyson's celebrity is in that he is a good orator. He is more politician than scientist, and has almost always been that way. Not saying that is a bad thing, but Silver is famous for doing something correctly and communicating, Tyson is famous for communicating and raising cash for science.

On February 02 2016 08:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 07:55 oneofthem wrote:
lets not compare tyson to nate. former has important papers and the latter has pecota

Both of them have the skill of breaking down complex ideas and systems to easy to understand language for the non-expert public. A valuable skill, much like the ability to educate others in a given field. And a skill that is constantly undervalued and belittled by the elite in any profession because they do not value making their profession understandable to the public.

^^ Mostly. Tyson is known for being a good lecturer at UT even when he failed to get his PhD off the ground there.
Freeeeeeedom
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 01 2016 23:39 GMT
#56343
he did get into a good postdoc place so he was doing something right in his research
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-01 23:40:53
February 01 2016 23:40 GMT
#56344
Hmmm.... What's changed...? Sanders and O'Malley have wanted more debates since the schedule came out...

Anyone saying the DNC didn't try to rig the process is in severe denial.


The Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Sunday said it has agreed to sanction more presidential debates after facing criticism over a limited schedule

“Our Democratic candidates have agreed in principle to having the DNC sanction and manage additional debates in our primary schedule, inclusive of New Hampshire this week,” DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement.

“However, absent agreement on the details, we will give our campaigns the space to focus on the important work of engaging caucus goers in Iowa. We will reconvene negotiations and finalize the schedule with the agreement of our campaigns on Tuesday morning,” she added.


Source
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 00:10:40
February 02 2016 00:07 GMT
#56345
Legal U.S. pot sales soared to $5.4 billion for 2015, up 17.4 percent from $4.6 billion in 2014, according to data released Monday by the ArcView Group, which tracks the cannabis markets.

The figures include medical and adult consumer sales. However, the annual gain was largely fueled by the explosive growth in consumer sales, as some states have approved adult recreational marijuana use. Adult use sales grew to $998 million from $351 million in 2014, according to the research. And voters in more states, including California, are likely to take up the issue in 2016.

By many measures, 2015 was a bellwether year for marijuana, as states like Colorado and Washington paved the way for new business models and growth. Entrepreneurs have opened spa-like retail shops for adult users and medical cannabis sales. The social experiment to abolish cannabis prohibition in some instances is melding with a for-profit corporate culture.

Legal U.S. pot sales soared to $5.4 billion for 2015, up 17.4 percent from $4.6 billion in 2014, according to data released Monday by the ArcView Group, which tracks the cannabis markets.

The figures include medical and adult consumer sales. However, the annual gain was largely fueled by the explosive growth in consumer sales, as some states have approved adult recreational marijuana use. Adult use sales grew to $998 million from $351 million in 2014, according to the research. And voters in more states, including California, are likely to take up the issue in 2016.

By many measures, 2015 was a bellwether year for marijuana, as states like Colorado and Washington paved the way for new business models and growth. Entrepreneurs have opened spa-like retail shops for adult users and medical cannabis sales. The social experiment to abolish cannabis prohibition in some instances is melding with a for-profit corporate culture.

The growing cannabis market features a variety of innovative consumer-facing products such as vaporizers, edibles and capsules. As an example, Colorado adult use sales surpassed $100 million last year for the first time.

Washington state also saw strong monthly sales gains in 2015 — growing some three fold — with $75.3 million in sales for December from $18.8 million in January 2015. Sales of edibles and extracts in Washington already number in the hundreds of thousands of units in a single month.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
February 02 2016 00:14 GMT
#56346
Something is wrong with that article or I'm having a stroke
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
February 02 2016 00:15 GMT
#56347
Well Hillary is so good she's already got 5 delegates and the caucuses haven't even started?

http://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
February 02 2016 00:37 GMT
#56348
Early reports say first time voters are showing up in big numbers record breaking numbers in several precincts for sure on the Republican side, more than likely on the Democratic side.

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
GoTuNk!
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Chile4591 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 00:50:04
February 02 2016 00:49 GMT
#56349
On February 02 2016 09:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Early reports say first time voters are showing up in big numbers record breaking numbers in several precincts for sure on the Republican side, more than likely on the Democratic side.



Trump trampling his opponents. Haters gonna hate
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 00:57:52
February 02 2016 00:54 GMT
#56350
On February 02 2016 09:49 GoTuNk! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 02 2016 09:37 GreenHorizons wrote:
Early reports say first time voters are showing up in big numbers record breaking numbers in several precincts for sure on the Republican side, more than likely on the Democratic side.



Trump trampling his opponents. Haters gonna hate


Hillary working on her Iowa loss speech already (also a victory speech). Ted Cruz is done. Trump wins gg no re

Also it appears some caucus facilities will be over legal capacity lol.

This might be a blowout.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
February 02 2016 01:02 GMT
#56351
Just out of curiosity, how many of you have spoken with actual Trump supporters and have a sense for what actually motivates them?
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18838 Posts
February 02 2016 01:14 GMT
#56352
There are a number at my law school, believe it or not. The few that I know fairly well are of average intelligence and of the opinion that basically everything touched by Washington is tainted. Michigan lends itself well to that mindset I find.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
February 02 2016 01:14 GMT
#56353
On February 02 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you have spoken with actual Trump supporters and have a sense for what actually motivates them?


I have, couple dozen in Iowa. The two words I've heard the most "business" and "politician". Meaning he's a business man not a politician.

and....

"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
February 02 2016 01:14 GMT
#56354
The only person I know who kinda sorta supports Trump thinks he is a horrible human being but he loves the havoc he is causing with the political establishment.
Never Knows Best.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 01:17 GMT
#56355
On February 02 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you have spoken with actual Trump supporters and have a sense for what actually motivates them?

We have two in my office, both support staff, married. They think he will stick up for the middle class and "real Americans". But I've seen their Facebook pages and they just seem to dislike minorities a lot. And read Breitbart. But they put up a good front about it being about not liking normal republicans.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Danglars
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States12133 Posts
February 02 2016 01:28 GMT
#56356
On February 02 2016 08:40 GreenHorizons wrote:
Hmmm.... What's changed...? Sanders and O'Malley have wanted more debates since the schedule came out...

Anyone saying the DNC didn't try to rig the process is in severe denial.

Show nested quote +

The Democratic National Committee (DNC) on Sunday said it has agreed to sanction more presidential debates after facing criticism over a limited schedule

“Our Democratic candidates have agreed in principle to having the DNC sanction and manage additional debates in our primary schedule, inclusive of New Hampshire this week,” DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement.

“However, absent agreement on the details, we will give our campaigns the space to focus on the important work of engaging caucus goers in Iowa. We will reconvene negotiations and finalize the schedule with the agreement of our campaigns on Tuesday morning,” she added.


Source

On February 02 2016 10:02 xDaunt wrote:
Just out of curiosity, how many of you have spoken with actual Trump supporters and have a sense for what actually motivates them?

Every conversation is about how he's different than your ordinary politician (not surprising some also like/liked Carson). Then again, if you've been a conservative observing US politics for any decent period of time, Trump's support isn't all that surprising and the intentional mischaracterizations are by the same people that have done it for years.
Great armies come from happy zealots, and happy zealots come from California!
TL+ Member
trulojucreathrma.com
Profile Blog Joined December 2015
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 01:38:37
February 02 2016 01:36 GMT
#56357
Every candidate has been bought by corporate money, except for Trump. He is his own man/his own corporate money.

I'd vote for Trump, if Nader isn't running.

Things have to get worse before they get better. Only Trump can damage the current establishment, change the status qua. If Clinton wins, things will continue to slowly get worse. Even a president with all the right intentions, a president with soft power is powerless to change anything. All current trends will just be extrapolated and in 50 years we are fucked. We will all have neo-capitalism/corporatism with Asian values and people won't even know anymore what the values of things like simple basic things like privacy are.

What is needed is once with complete incompetence and complete lack of restraint to make mistakes.
It's like what the Piratebay guy said.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
February 02 2016 01:43 GMT
#56358
That is how Rob Ford got into office and then did a lot of crack. Don't vote to give Rob Ford nukes to save Us politics. Its a dumb plan.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23459 Posts
February 02 2016 01:44 GMT
#56359
On February 02 2016 10:43 Plansix wrote:
That is how Rob Ford got into office and then did a lot of crack. Don't vote to give Rob Ford nukes to save Us politics. Its a dumb plan.


But it would be one hell of a reality TV show.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Nyxisto
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6287 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-02-02 01:45:47
February 02 2016 01:44 GMT
#56360
On February 02 2016 10:36 trulojucreathrma.com wrote:
Every candidate has been bought by corporate money, except for Trump. He is his own man/his own corporate money.

So on your quest of keeping money out of politics you would vote for the guy who is the singularity of money and politics, that plan sounds flawed for some reason
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