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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 04 2015 16:05 GMT
#52041
On December 04 2015 19:16 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 11:46 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
HONOLULU — A long-awaited Hawaii Supreme Court ruling Wednesday invalidating a construction permit for what would be one of the world's largest telescopes represents a major setback for the $1.4 billion project on a mountain astronomers tout for having perfect star-gazing conditions.

The ruling is a victory for protesters who say they are fighting the project to curb development, preserve Native Hawaiian culture and protect the Big Island's Mauna Kea, a mountain many consider sacred.

The court ruled that the state Board of Land and Natural Resources should not have issued a permit for the telescope before a hearings officer reviewed a petition by a group challenging the project's approval.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/hawaii-supreme-court-voids-telescope-construction-permit-n473236


Doesn't this just open the door for a perfunctory "hearing" and immediate reissueing of the permit? I don't know enough about this to have any idea whether the telescope is a good or a bad thing here, but this ruling seems like a pyrrhic victory unless they have very compelling evidence to present in that hearing.

Not necessarily. This whole process is very expensive and time consuming, so tying it up like this could result in ultimate victory for the opposition. I dealt with a similar situation out where I live. County authorities and other business interests wanted to put up a new broadcast array (for TV and radio) that would replace some older, uglier arrays. It was a great project and a great idea. The problem is that the County authorities and business interests didn't strictly follow appropriate due process protocols and procedures, so the opposition was able to successfully stall the project and kill it. My remark at the time was this: "when you don't dot your i's and cross your t's, the hippies win."
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2015 16:09 GMT
#52042
Agreed. Even if the protestors are huge idiots, skipping a public hearing on a huge project like that is just asking for trouble. Just hold the hearing and let the idiots be idiots at the public hearing. Not having one just gives their side more creditability than they likely have earned.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 04 2015 17:33 GMT
#52043
Washington (CNN) Jeb Bush has tried everything.

His campaign allies have blanketed the airwaves with almost $30 million in ads. Aiming to shake the "low-energy" tag and prove his toughness, Bush hit Donald Trump as a carnival barker unfit for the serious job of being President. He attacked Sen. Marco Rubio, suggesting his former protégé was a dilettante in a hurry. He cut staff, hired a debate coach, and pledged that "Jeb Can Fix It."

Bush is now polling at 3% -- and dropping.

The 3% figure puts Bush in sixth place in the national GOP race, according to the CNN/ORC poll released Friday morning. It's the latest insult and disappointment for Bush, a son and brother of presidents, the conservative former two-term governor of Florida and the man who started the race as the unquestioned establishment favorite.

With two months left before the Iowa caucuses, Bush is saddled with the nagging questions: What happened? And is there anything the self-proclaimed "joyful tortoise" can do to turn things around?


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2015 17:50 GMT
#52044
Does CNN really have people inside the shooter's home right now? Can we just accept the fact they are no longer a "news agency" and just the tabloids? Is there any benefit to this at all beyond morbid titillation?
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Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 17:54:23
December 04 2015 17:53 GMT
#52045
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html

WASHINGTON — The woman who helped carry out the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., on Wednesday had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook posting, according to federal law enforcement officials.


Does it then stand to reason that ISIS has claimed American lives on US soil? It really looks like this couple had something Paris'esque planned, got pissed at his employer, decided to start off with the holiday party instead, then tried to escape in hopes of still being able to pull off the original plan. Can't help but feel a little spooked wondering what else ISIS has planned
CannonsNCarriers
Profile Joined April 2010
United States638 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 18:36:24
December 04 2015 18:00 GMT
#52046
On December 05 2015 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html

Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — The woman who helped carry out the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., on Wednesday had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook posting, according to federal law enforcement officials.


Does it then stand to reason that ISIS has claimed American lives on US soil? It really looks like this couple had something Paris'esque planned, got pissed at his employer, decided to start off with the holiday party instead, then tried to escape in hopes of still being able to pull off the original plan. Can't help but feel a little spooked wondering what else ISIS has planned


"ISIS" isn't planning crap. They are exhorting lone wolves (or in this case married couples) to commit suicide gun attacks. ISIS was merely an idea to these two. This couple had the resources and firearms skill on their own (the husband went to the range all the time, and modified his Cali-legal rifles to go full auto).

Also, please keep in mind that no matter how many bombs we drop in the Levant, there will still be plenty of AR-15s and radicalizable-Muslims over here. If we want to do something about suicide gun attacks in the USA, then we are going to need stricter gun control and more counter-terror investigations.

//I may need to walk some of this back ... the wife may have been a long term sleeper agent ... more facts coming out ...
Dun tuch my cheezbrgr
AngryMag
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1040 Posts
December 04 2015 18:04 GMT
#52047
That sucks dudes You were relatively "lucky" this time, let's hope they are done in America. What do you think what will be done in near future? Keep it under the carpet as good as possible? Try to stomp the radicals in America? Just continue like before? More military action?
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2015 18:10 GMT
#52048
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
December 04 2015 18:15 GMT
#52049
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.


That is his right, isn't it? What part of this do you find objectionable? I don't find it very interesting, but also don't consider it a travesty of journalism, especially when compared to everything else out there.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 18:23:48
December 04 2015 18:21 GMT
#52050
On December 05 2015 03:15 ZasZ. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.


That is his right, isn't it? What part of this do you find objectionable? I don't find it very interesting, but also don't consider it a travesty of journalism, especially when compared to everything else out there.

Its a live crime scene? The FBI confirmed that along with the local sheriff. The family members have not been charged and still officially reside there. They didn't show licenses of the dead attackers, it was anyone who lived in the house. And the land lord took a popsicle too, just to make sure it is extra comical.

Journalism isn't a live feed of whatever shit they get access to, unfiltered to the masses without context. And maybe not broadcast the personal information of the random family members, including their SS# on live video to the nation.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 18:23:39
December 04 2015 18:22 GMT
#52051
On December 05 2015 02:53 Mohdoo wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/us/tashfeen-malik-islamic-state.html

Show nested quote +
WASHINGTON — The woman who helped carry out the shooting in San Bernardino, Calif., on Wednesday had pledged allegiance to the Islamic State in a Facebook posting, according to federal law enforcement officials.


Does it then stand to reason that ISIS has claimed American lives on US soil? It really looks like this couple had something Paris'esque planned, got pissed at his employer, decided to start off with the holiday party instead, then tried to escape in hopes of still being able to pull off the original plan. Can't help but feel a little spooked wondering what else ISIS has planned

Judging by their actions they seemed to have simply too high of an opinion of themselves and too low an opinion of law enforcement's capabilities. They thought they could hit the "soft target" leave a bomb for first responders (which brings my mind to a scene in Mockingjay) and proceed to their real target after reloading. As is typical in these post 9/11 attacks, the public is lucky that terrorists consistently seem to be unprepared/unqualified/unintelligent. Just by the number of bombs they had, they seem to have been under the impression they would be able to commit at least one more mass murder, possibly later that day.
Freeeeeeedom
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 18:39:22
December 04 2015 18:38 GMT
#52052
MSNBC & CNN reminding me of why I support NPR.

Also fully expect to see MSNBC be in legal trouble as what they just did on air would be considered tampering with evidence.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
December 04 2015 18:58 GMT
#52053
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.

what a fucking travesty
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 04 2015 19:07 GMT
#52054
On December 05 2015 03:58 oneofthem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.

what a fucking travesty

Its like Storage Wars, except its real and they put real peoples SS#s on national TV. MSNBC and CNN are the dumpster fire of modern news.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8773 Posts
December 04 2015 19:16 GMT
#52055
On December 05 2015 04:07 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 03:58 oneofthem wrote:
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.

what a fucking travesty

Its like Storage Wars, except its real and they put real peoples SS#s on national TV. MSNBC and CNN are the dumpster fire of modern news.


how are authorities not faster at the house of those crazy assholes than the scumbag media?
fawns over the new helipad's rave reviews.
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
December 04 2015 19:17 GMT
#52056
On December 05 2015 04:16 Doublemint wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 04:07 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2015 03:58 oneofthem wrote:
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.

what a fucking travesty

Its like Storage Wars, except its real and they put real peoples SS#s on national TV. MSNBC and CNN are the dumpster fire of modern news.


how are authorities not faster at the house of those crazy assholes than the scumbag media?

Surely they have already been there days ago right?

And yes its disgusting from mainstream news media. Gotta go to any length to get them views... Hope they get prosecuted hard for this.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 19:47:23
December 04 2015 19:32 GMT
#52057
On December 05 2015 04:17 Gorsameth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 04:16 Doublemint wrote:
On December 05 2015 04:07 Plansix wrote:
On December 05 2015 03:58 oneofthem wrote:
On December 05 2015 03:10 Plansix wrote:
http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/?utm_cid=hp-hh-sec#oU3gUJnL6gqY

Apparently the landlord of the killers decided to let the press and public into their apartment. Licenses, credit cards, passports are just being broadcast for all to see.

This is journalism now.

what a fucking travesty

Its like Storage Wars, except its real and they put real peoples SS#s on national TV. MSNBC and CNN are the dumpster fire of modern news.


how are authorities not faster at the house of those crazy assholes than the scumbag media?

Surely they have already been there days ago right?

And yes its disgusting from mainstream news media. Gotta go to any length to get them views... Hope they get prosecuted hard for this.

From my understanding the apartment was a crime scene and the police had access, but were not done. That is why no one was living in it. It was sealed shut because they were not done and the landlord opened it for "reasons". But he claimed he never invited the reporters inside. He just opened it when they were hanging around with camera crews.

That isn't the landlord prying open that door.

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Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22703 Posts
December 04 2015 19:49 GMT
#52058
last i checked entering a crime scene and disturbing evidence was a pretty serious crime. And the criminals were kind enough to film themselves doing it to for evidence.
Hope they get pursuit to the full extend of the law.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Doublemint
Profile Joined July 2011
Austria8773 Posts
December 04 2015 19:51 GMT
#52059
even fox news has the good sense not to pull shit like this. I really hope they pay dearly for it, certain lines are not to be crossed for good reason.
fawns over the new helipad's rave reviews.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 19:52:59
December 04 2015 19:52 GMT
#52060
I will laugh for days if they CNN and MSNBC reporters get thrown in jail over this. Have no doubt there is some attorney on their legal teams drinking in his/her office, just pointing at the screen and laughing/crying.

Doublemint: Fox News wasn't there. Lets not let them off the hook that easy. They likely just dodged the bullet.
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