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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
December 02 2015 20:14 GMT
#51741
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

At least one person opened fire at a social services facility in San Bernardino, California, on Wednesday.


From the article.
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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 20:14:18
December 02 2015 20:14 GMT
#51742
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?


according to cnn "Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities."
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m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 02 2015 20:14 GMT
#51743
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?


Orange Show Road / Waterman Avenue near Park Center Circle.

Large Buildings, reporters asked to not show the buildings. SWAT in those buildings, but.. I kinda have no idea apart from that.
On track to MA1950A.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18488 Posts
December 02 2015 20:15 GMT
#51744
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

Social services facility that provides non-profit health care, but your facetiousness was noted.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
December 02 2015 20:15 GMT
#51745
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?


"Inland Regional Center’s qualified and supportive employees strive daily to serve more than 31,000 individuals with developmental disabilities in San Bernardino and Riverside counties."

Apparently
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
December 02 2015 20:15 GMT
#51746
On December 03 2015 05:14 Karis Vas Ryaar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?


according to cnn "Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities."

Well that's particularly fucked up.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 02 2015 20:15 GMT
#51747
On December 03 2015 04:02 ZeroChrome wrote:
I saw it on 4chan and the thread reached bump limit so I can't find it again. If I do I'll post it. It was like 4 hours long so I don't think it was faked.

I found this quite funny though

[image loading]

I wonder if that figure includes the salary of the guy he has shitposting on twitter all day?

He doesn't have to spend money on advertising since news outlets and commentators do it for him.
Toadesstern
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Germany16350 Posts
December 02 2015 20:15 GMT
#51748
On December 03 2015 05:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:11 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:06 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:02 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:48 KwarK wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:40 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:53 Yoav wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
What evidences is there that violence will remove it within a generation?

Any number of historical conquests?


Though, as you point out, this requires a level of ruthlessness and willful cruelty that is now considered beyond the pale. Sure, we could wipe out ISIS and everyone who sympathizes with them. We could destroy entire villages that gave us shit. But hell, even ISIS tends to not put entire villages to death. At the point your brutality has eclipsed your enemy, you have given up any moral justification for war.

The whole convincing folks of Western values thing seems like a better bet. Let's add that it's remarkable how much appeal the West really has. Even our worse traits (hedonism etc) are pretty attractive to people.

Putting it another way, look at the history of US interactions with pretty much any Latin American country. Back when we were focused on killing our enemies, we kept making more. When we gave up on that (mostly through boredom and distraction, and partly due to confidence) we actually started to make friends.

If anything, radical Islam is more of a problem now than it was two decades ago.


And how exactly is that surprising?


Additionally I think you would struggle to describe the last two decades as being non confrontational with Islam and trying to win them over with cultural superiority and the high road. Things have gotten worse but that is not a point against the ideological strategy, that wasn't the strategy used in the last two decades. The military strategy is the one condemned by failure.


Couldn't have said it better.

That being said, what's going on in San Bernadino?


The most heavily armed/armored active shooters since the North Hollywood bank shootout? But this time with heaps of dead.


.. and where did you gather that?

Search the internet. They are reported to be heavily armed and wearing military gear. I don't know about armor, but it could be true.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

Fire department. It is unclear how why specifically.


reuters has:
A police spokeswoman told the Times that the suspects were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor.
on that
<Elem> >toad in charge of judging lewdness <Elem> how bad can it be <Elem> also wew, that is actually p lewd.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 02 2015 20:17 GMT
#51749
On December 03 2015 05:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:13 Plansix wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:11 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:06 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:02 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:48 KwarK wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:40 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:53 Yoav wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Any number of historical conquests?


Though, as you point out, this requires a level of ruthlessness and willful cruelty that is now considered beyond the pale. Sure, we could wipe out ISIS and everyone who sympathizes with them. We could destroy entire villages that gave us shit. But hell, even ISIS tends to not put entire villages to death. At the point your brutality has eclipsed your enemy, you have given up any moral justification for war.

The whole convincing folks of Western values thing seems like a better bet. Let's add that it's remarkable how much appeal the West really has. Even our worse traits (hedonism etc) are pretty attractive to people.

Putting it another way, look at the history of US interactions with pretty much any Latin American country. Back when we were focused on killing our enemies, we kept making more. When we gave up on that (mostly through boredom and distraction, and partly due to confidence) we actually started to make friends.

If anything, radical Islam is more of a problem now than it was two decades ago.


And how exactly is that surprising?


Additionally I think you would struggle to describe the last two decades as being non confrontational with Islam and trying to win them over with cultural superiority and the high road. Things have gotten worse but that is not a point against the ideological strategy, that wasn't the strategy used in the last two decades. The military strategy is the one condemned by failure.


Couldn't have said it better.

That being said, what's going on in San Bernadino?


The most heavily armed/armored active shooters since the North Hollywood bank shootout? But this time with heaps of dead.


.. and where did you gather that?

Search the internet. They are reported to be heavily armed and wearing military gear. I don't know about armor, but it could be true.

On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

Fire department. It is unclear how why specifically.


reuters has:
Show nested quote +
A police spokeswoman told the Times that the suspects were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor.
on that

Ah, there we go. And apparently the fire department report was incorrect.

Important reminder that most news reports are complete speculation at this point.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
December 02 2015 20:17 GMT
#51750
On December 03 2015 05:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:11 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:06 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:02 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:48 KwarK wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:40 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:53 Yoav wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 Plansix wrote:
[quote]
What evidences is there that violence will remove it within a generation?

Any number of historical conquests?


Though, as you point out, this requires a level of ruthlessness and willful cruelty that is now considered beyond the pale. Sure, we could wipe out ISIS and everyone who sympathizes with them. We could destroy entire villages that gave us shit. But hell, even ISIS tends to not put entire villages to death. At the point your brutality has eclipsed your enemy, you have given up any moral justification for war.

The whole convincing folks of Western values thing seems like a better bet. Let's add that it's remarkable how much appeal the West really has. Even our worse traits (hedonism etc) are pretty attractive to people.

Putting it another way, look at the history of US interactions with pretty much any Latin American country. Back when we were focused on killing our enemies, we kept making more. When we gave up on that (mostly through boredom and distraction, and partly due to confidence) we actually started to make friends.

If anything, radical Islam is more of a problem now than it was two decades ago.


And how exactly is that surprising?


Additionally I think you would struggle to describe the last two decades as being non confrontational with Islam and trying to win them over with cultural superiority and the high road. Things have gotten worse but that is not a point against the ideological strategy, that wasn't the strategy used in the last two decades. The military strategy is the one condemned by failure.


Couldn't have said it better.

That being said, what's going on in San Bernadino?


The most heavily armed/armored active shooters since the North Hollywood bank shootout? But this time with heaps of dead.


.. and where did you gather that?

Search the internet. They are reported to be heavily armed and wearing military gear. I don't know about armor, but it could be true.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

Fire department. It is unclear how why specifically.


From CNN:

• KABC reported that the shooting took place at Inland Regional Center, a facility for people with developmental disabilities.

Inland Regional Center's Facebook page says it employs nearly 670 staff at its facilities in San Bernardino and Riverside counties, providing services to more than 30,200 people.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 02 2015 20:17 GMT
#51751
On December 03 2015 05:15 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:13 Plansix wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:11 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:06 CannonsNCarriers wrote:
On December 03 2015 05:02 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:48 KwarK wrote:
On December 03 2015 04:40 m4ini wrote:
On December 03 2015 03:05 xDaunt wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:53 Yoav wrote:
On December 03 2015 02:45 xDaunt wrote:
[quote]
Any number of historical conquests?


Though, as you point out, this requires a level of ruthlessness and willful cruelty that is now considered beyond the pale. Sure, we could wipe out ISIS and everyone who sympathizes with them. We could destroy entire villages that gave us shit. But hell, even ISIS tends to not put entire villages to death. At the point your brutality has eclipsed your enemy, you have given up any moral justification for war.

The whole convincing folks of Western values thing seems like a better bet. Let's add that it's remarkable how much appeal the West really has. Even our worse traits (hedonism etc) are pretty attractive to people.

Putting it another way, look at the history of US interactions with pretty much any Latin American country. Back when we were focused on killing our enemies, we kept making more. When we gave up on that (mostly through boredom and distraction, and partly due to confidence) we actually started to make friends.

If anything, radical Islam is more of a problem now than it was two decades ago.


And how exactly is that surprising?


Additionally I think you would struggle to describe the last two decades as being non confrontational with Islam and trying to win them over with cultural superiority and the high road. Things have gotten worse but that is not a point against the ideological strategy, that wasn't the strategy used in the last two decades. The military strategy is the one condemned by failure.


Couldn't have said it better.

That being said, what's going on in San Bernadino?


The most heavily armed/armored active shooters since the North Hollywood bank shootout? But this time with heaps of dead.


.. and where did you gather that?

Search the internet. They are reported to be heavily armed and wearing military gear. I don't know about armor, but it could be true.

On December 03 2015 05:12 xDaunt wrote:
What was attacked? A country club/golf course?

Fire department. It is unclear how why specifically.


reuters has:
Show nested quote +
A police spokeswoman told the Times that the suspects were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armor.
on that


And that's apparently all we now. That's a bit less than "The most heavily armed/armored active shooters since the North Hollywood bank shootout? But this time with heaps of dead."

No dead confirmed as far as sky5 reports, no info on shooters.

On track to MA1950A.
DickMcFanny
Profile Blog Joined September 2015
Ireland1076 Posts
December 02 2015 20:18 GMT
#51752
The CIA guy at CNN just hinted at Muslim terrorism.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 02 2015 20:20 GMT
#51753
On December 03 2015 05:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
The CIA guy at CNN just hinted at Muslim terrorism.

Stay classy CNN. And by classy I mean I really hope your office burns down with no one in it.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ragz_gt
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
9172 Posts
December 02 2015 20:21 GMT
#51754
On December 03 2015 05:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
The CIA guy at CNN just hinted at Muslim terrorism.


He is a CIA guy, what was he expected to say.
I'm not an otaku, I'm a specialist.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44439 Posts
December 02 2015 20:22 GMT
#51755
On December 03 2015 05:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
The CIA guy at CNN just hinted at Muslim terrorism.

He's paid to speculate, that's the way the media circus works.

Of course it could be Muslim terrorism but it could equally not be.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 20:23:42
December 02 2015 20:23 GMT
#51756
On December 03 2015 05:18 DickMcFanny wrote:
The CIA guy at CNN just hinted at Muslim terrorism.


he's a cia guy whos probobly worried about threats from outside of the country. of course his brain is probably going to go to that. It's still really dumb to speculate at this time though
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-02 20:23:52
December 02 2015 20:23 GMT
#51757
searching for 3 males, unknown race over the police scanner just now..
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
December 02 2015 20:23 GMT
#51758
If it ends up that these people are even kind of tan, it is going to help Trump in the polls. Strange world we live in.
m4ini
Profile Joined February 2014
4215 Posts
December 02 2015 20:25 GMT
#51759
On December 03 2015 05:23 Mohdoo wrote:
If it ends up that these people are even kind of tan, it is going to help Trump in the polls. Strange world we live in.


The really sad part is, that if it's white folks, it would too, because obviously heavily armed social workers could've killed those shooters first.
On track to MA1950A.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
December 02 2015 20:26 GMT
#51760
On December 03 2015 05:25 m4ini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 05:23 Mohdoo wrote:
If it ends up that these people are even kind of tan, it is going to help Trump in the polls. Strange world we live in.


The really sad part is, that if it's white folks, it would too, because obviously heavily armed social workers could've killed those shooters first.

They will be gentle loners that no one suspected could do this. They just had a love of fire arms and some problems making friends.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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