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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2015 03:50 GMT
#45781
WASHINGTON, Sept 13 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will announce steps to bolster access to financial aid for students as part of efforts to make college more affordable, the White House said on Sunday.

Among the measures Obama will announce in Des Moines, Iowa, on Monday will be allowing aspiring college students and their families to apply earlier under the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, or FAFSA. The FAFSA application helps determine eligibility for federally supported student loans as well as Pell Grants, a federal need-based student aid program.

Under the initiative to be announced by Obama, students will be able to file FAFSA applications in October, the start of the college application process, rather than having to wait until January.

Students also will be able to electronically retrieve tax information filed for a previous year rather than waiting until tax season to finish their applications.

"Learning about aid eligibility options much earlier in the college application and decision process will allow students and families to determine the true cost of attending college - taking available financial aid into account - and make more informed decisions," the White House said in a statement.

Spiraling student debt has become a growing national concern, with student loans now totaling some $1.2 trillion, making them the second largest form of household debt after mortgages.


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Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-14 04:25:35
September 14 2015 04:11 GMT
#45782
On September 14 2015 12:50 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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WASHINGTON, Sept 13 (Reuters) - President Barack Obama will announce steps to bolster access to financial aid for students as part of efforts to make college more affordable, the White House said on Sunday.

Among the measures Obama will announce in Des Moines, Iowa, on Monday will be allowing aspiring college students and their families to apply earlier under the Free Application for Federal Student Aid, or FAFSA. The FAFSA application helps determine eligibility for federally supported student loans as well as Pell Grants, a federal need-based student aid program.

Under the initiative to be announced by Obama, students will be able to file FAFSA applications in October, the start of the college application process, rather than having to wait until January.

Students also will be able to electronically retrieve tax information filed for a previous year rather than waiting until tax season to finish their applications.

"Learning about aid eligibility options much earlier in the college application and decision process will allow students and families to determine the true cost of attending college - taking available financial aid into account - and make more informed decisions," the White House said in a statement.

Spiraling student debt has become a growing national concern, with student loans now totaling some $1.2 trillion, making them the second largest form of household debt after mortgages.


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as someone who goes to a community college and sees the amount of people waiting around for financial aid and stuff. I hope this fixes the problem a bit. Seems reasonable and I don't see how earlier information can be a bad thing.

also yeah. fires in California, not a big deal. Basically you just ignore them until someone tells you to evacuate. Then again I live in the city.
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darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8004 Posts
September 14 2015 04:45 GMT
#45783
On September 14 2015 09:26 GreenHorizons wrote:
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Hillary Clinton’s deficit among likely Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire has grown to more than 20 points, while her lead over Bernie Sanders among likely caucus voters in Iowa has been reversed, according to the first wave of the YouGov/CBS News 2016 Battleground Tracker. Clinton remains ahead in South Carolina, where Joe Biden also makes a strong showing.

IOWA AND NEW HAMPSHIRE

The new poll finds Sen. Sanders with 52% support among Democratic primary voters in New Hampshire, while former Secretary of State Clinton, long considered the front-runner for the 2016 Democratic nomination, receives 30%. Recent polls have shown Sanders’ lead growing in the Granite State, but this would be the first to show the Vermont Senator over 50%.

Possibly more worrying for the Clinton campaign is her performance in Iowa, where Sanders now leads by 10 points, with 43% to Clinton’s 33%.


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Did a double take when I saw these polls. Holy shit man, I can't believe Bernie is doing so well. Is he the front runner? No; but if he somehow wins Iowa and NH... all bets are off.
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Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-14 15:25:44
September 14 2015 15:20 GMT
#45784
Edit: I wrote a longer post but now I'll make it shorter. Bernie's been rapidly gaining on Hillary ever since he joined the race. At no point was there a sign of this process stopping. The obvious result of rapidly gaining without stopping is overtaking. I feel that the media has been disingenuous about this campaign. You can't say with any authority that someone who is rapidly gaining has no chance to win until you see them stop gaining, which never happened.
May the BeSt man win.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2015 15:26 GMT
#45785
I am really becoming suspicious of all these polling agencies that seem to get their pool featured in whatever article wants to make a specific point. I don't know who YouGov, but polling lords Five Thirty-Eight gave them a C+.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/interactives/pollster-ratings/

For future reference.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2015 18:21 GMT
#45786
A lawyer for Kentucky clerk Kim Davis on Monday said that her legal team will file a new lawsuit against Kentucky Gov. Steve Beshear (D), accusing him of failing to provide an accommodation for Davis.

Harry Mihet, a lawyer with the conservative Liberty Counsel, told reporters that Davis is happy to allow her deputy clerks to issue licenses to gay couples and "does not want to defy the orders of the federal court." But Mihet said she will not authorize the licenses herself.

Davis altered the Rowan County marriage licenses to remove her name, title and authority upon returning to work on Monday, according to Mihet. She has "grave doubts" about the validity of the licenses issued while she was in jail and those without her name, Mihet said.


Davis' lawyers will also continue to pursue litigation previously filed by Davis. On Friday, her legal team filed a petition asking the the 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals to stop the district judge's order demanding that Davis and her office to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples.


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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
September 14 2015 19:00 GMT
#45787
So she is trying to get an accommodation to get her name removed from licensees but while also saying if they don't have her name on them they are invalid?
Never Knows Best.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
September 14 2015 19:18 GMT
#45788
The Republican presidential candidate Scott Walker was due on Monday to call for sweeping restrictions on organized labor in the US, as he sought to take his efforts against unions as Wisconsin’s governor nationwide.

At a town hall meeting in Las Vegas on Monday, Walker was due to propose eliminating unions for employees of the federal government; making all workplaces “right-to-work” unless individual states vote otherwise; scrapping the federal agency that oversees unfair labor practices; and making it more difficult for unions to organize.

Such measures would in effect demolish the landmark 1935 National Labor Relations Act.

Many of Walker’s proposals are focused on unions for workers in government; others would also affect private-sector unions. Labor law experts say such an effort, if successful, would substantially reduce the power of organized labor in America.

While Walker could enact some of the proposals via presidential executive order, others would require an act of Congress or changes in federal regulations. Walker’s goal is “to achieve fairness and opportunity for American workers”.

“This will not be easy,” Walker said in a statement to the Associated Press. “Many including the union bosses and the politicians they puppet have long benefited from Washington rules that put the needs of special interests before needs of middle-class families.”

Unions responded to Walker’s proposal with dismay and anger.


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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2015 19:26 GMT
#45789
Yes, an assault on labor unions nation wide. Not a careful review of unions that are abusive, corrupt or damaging the local government's ability to operate. That would be to nuanced and required critical thinking. Lets undo a law created in 1935 when employees had almost no right and just assume that it will all work out.

For middle class families. No way this befits the rich and only them.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
September 14 2015 19:47 GMT
#45790
Walker isn't going to be elected, but his campaign is an unfortunately good soapbox from which to say stupid things
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14058 Posts
September 14 2015 20:43 GMT
#45791
On September 15 2015 04:00 Slaughter wrote:
So she is trying to get an accommodation to get her name removed from licensees but while also saying if they don't have her name on them they are invalid?

No everyone is just unsure if they are valid if they don't have her name and title on them. Everyone's going to assume they are until further notice.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 14 2015 20:49 GMT
#45792
On September 15 2015 05:43 Sermokala wrote:
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On September 15 2015 04:00 Slaughter wrote:
So she is trying to get an accommodation to get her name removed from licensees but while also saying if they don't have her name on them they are invalid?

No everyone is just unsure if they are valid if they don't have her name and title on them. Everyone's going to assume they are until further notice.

It would take a judge to declare them invalid. Which would require someone to question them, which isn't like to happen. No one wants to die on that hill.
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Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
September 14 2015 21:48 GMT
#45793
Have to say this...Bernie Sanders is doing all the wrong things and I think its because he's the right person. He is going to speak in places that are hardline conservative and reaching out to them...most successful candidates have done the opposite and especially in the primaries.

There are a couple interesting Republican candidates and Bernie on the other side. This could end up really bad with Trump vs Clinton or it could end up being amazing.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4866 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-14 21:55:02
September 14 2015 21:53 GMT
#45794
Bernie will go where there is a stage.

I know Rand Paul was at Berkeley a while back, but it wasn't some large school organized speech. And it was about the NSA, so he found some common ground there.

I wonder how many liberal universities would or have invited conservative speakers. There are cases of them being "uninvited" after they were announced, but that's all I know. And Berkeley couldn't even put up with Bill Maher. Of course in that particular instance I can hardly blame them.
"But, as the conservative understands it, modification of the rules should always reflect, and never impose, a change in the activities and beliefs of those who are subject to them, and should never on any occasion be so great as to destroy the ensemble."
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 14 2015 21:54 GMT
#45795
On September 15 2015 06:48 Eliezar wrote:
Have to say this...Bernie Sanders is doing all the wrong things and I think its because he's the right person. He is going to speak in places that are hardline conservative and reaching out to them...most successful candidates have done the opposite and especially in the primaries.

There are a couple interesting Republican candidates and Bernie on the other side. This could end up really bad with Trump vs Clinton or it could end up being amazing.


Interesting, what is he doing that is wrong. I find his moves to be quite shrewd.
Freeeeeeedom
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
September 14 2015 21:59 GMT
#45796
On September 15 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote:
Yes, an assault on labor unions nation wide. Not a careful review of unions that are abusive, corrupt or damaging the local government's ability to operate. That would be to nuanced and required critical thinking. Lets undo a law created in 1935 when employees had almost no right and just assume that it will all work out.

For middle class families. No way this befits the rich and only them.


Not entirely true, getting rid of the Union in the facility I work at would make my job way easier and I'm sure help our facility make budgetary goals as it would be easier to fire the slackers.

I make less than 100k so I'm far away from the upper class..
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18159 Posts
September 14 2015 22:10 GMT
#45797
On September 15 2015 06:59 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote:
Yes, an assault on labor unions nation wide. Not a careful review of unions that are abusive, corrupt or damaging the local government's ability to operate. That would be to nuanced and required critical thinking. Lets undo a law created in 1935 when employees had almost no right and just assume that it will all work out.

For middle class families. No way this befits the rich and only them.


Not entirely true, getting rid of the Union in the facility I work at would make my job way easier and I'm sure help our facility make budgetary goals as it would be easier to fire the slackers.

I make less than 100k so I'm far away from the upper class..

I don't think Plansix's point was to say that there aren't shitty unions who abuse their power for stupid causes. I think his point was to say that indiscriminately busting unions, and making it practically impossible to form them would shoot past its goal of getting rid of the bad apples (presumably, the union you're talking about is one such bad apple), and remove necessary protection of employee rights.
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
September 14 2015 22:10 GMT
#45798
On September 15 2015 06:54 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 06:48 Eliezar wrote:
Have to say this...Bernie Sanders is doing all the wrong things and I think its because he's the right person. He is going to speak in places that are hardline conservative and reaching out to them...most successful candidates have done the opposite and especially in the primaries.

There are a couple interesting Republican candidates and Bernie on the other side. This could end up really bad with Trump vs Clinton or it could end up being amazing.


Interesting, what is he doing that is wrong. I find his moves to be quite shrewd.


The common strategy is to go after the more liberal or conservative part of your party in the primaries and then go more central in the election. Bernie is actually reaching out to people who are not likely to vote in the democratic primaries at all and so in that way it gains him almost no advantage now for the time spent.

I think I probably disagree philosophically with about 50% of what Bernie believes in, but I feel like I could vote for him without feeling like I was signing on the line to support the killing of innocents around the world and selling out to the massive money interests.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
September 14 2015 22:16 GMT
#45799
On September 15 2015 07:10 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 06:59 Chewbacca. wrote:
On September 15 2015 04:26 Plansix wrote:
Yes, an assault on labor unions nation wide. Not a careful review of unions that are abusive, corrupt or damaging the local government's ability to operate. That would be to nuanced and required critical thinking. Lets undo a law created in 1935 when employees had almost no right and just assume that it will all work out.

For middle class families. No way this befits the rich and only them.


Not entirely true, getting rid of the Union in the facility I work at would make my job way easier and I'm sure help our facility make budgetary goals as it would be easier to fire the slackers.

I make less than 100k so I'm far away from the upper class..

I don't think Plansix's point was to say that there aren't shitty unions who abuse their power for stupid causes. I think his point was to say that indiscriminately busting unions, and making it practically impossible to form them would shoot past its goal of getting rid of the bad apples (presumably, the union you're talking about is one such bad apple), and remove necessary protection of employee rights.


I understand his general point, I just don't like those broad overreaching statements like his last one, that only the rich could possibly benefit from the busting of a union.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
September 14 2015 22:18 GMT
#45800
On September 15 2015 07:10 Eliezar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2015 06:54 cLutZ wrote:
On September 15 2015 06:48 Eliezar wrote:
Have to say this...Bernie Sanders is doing all the wrong things and I think its because he's the right person. He is going to speak in places that are hardline conservative and reaching out to them...most successful candidates have done the opposite and especially in the primaries.

There are a couple interesting Republican candidates and Bernie on the other side. This could end up really bad with Trump vs Clinton or it could end up being amazing.


Interesting, what is he doing that is wrong. I find his moves to be quite shrewd.


The common strategy is to go after the more liberal or conservative part of your party in the primaries and then go more central in the election. Bernie is actually reaching out to people who are not likely to vote in the democratic primaries at all and so in that way it gains him almost no advantage now for the time spent.

I think I probably disagree philosophically with about 50% of what Bernie believes in, but I feel like I could vote for him without feeling like I was signing on the line to support the killing of innocents around the world and selling out to the massive money interests.


There is no need for Bernie to move to the left of Hillary or the others he is the left. What he is doing is taking actions that make him appear more Presidential, which is a major reason many Democrats are not supporting him (they don't think he can win the general).
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