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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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whatisthisasheep
624 Posts
Nothing any candidate says about Trump can top what Trump will say about himself. They should just focus on policy issues. All CNN and other news outlets care about is ratings, and they will gladly give in to Trumps demands to get more eyeballs on their station. If Don becomes president, China and Mexico will get used to this tactic also. Its a classic NRA strategy. | ||
Cowboy64
115 Posts
On September 11 2015 11:07 Plansix wrote: We've read up. She is a terrible person and didn't ask for a reasonable accommodation. She wanted to repress gay couples through her office. You're lying. Well I hardly think it's fair for you to accuse me of lying. I did source my stuff, so while you might disagree with my sources, my arguments are being made in good faith. She did ask for an accommodation: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/09/08/kim-davis-released-from-jail-plus-more-on-her-requested-accommodation/ Also, yesterday Davis’s lawyers asked the Sixth Circuit for relief pending appeal; after reading that, I got in touch with the lawyers to make sure I fully understood the accommodation that they are currently seeking. They confirmed that Davis would have no religious objections to her office handling the marriage licenses and certificates if a judge applying Kentucky’s Religious Freedom Restoration Act (or, as they argue is possible, the Governor, under certain authority that he has) held that: the licenses would be issued, as a matter of Kentucky law, under the authority of someone other than Davis or the County Clerk, for instance the County Judge Executive or a deputy clerk who was willing to put his name on them, and the licenses reflected that accommodation, by including the name and office of the authorizing person (again, the Judge Executive or deputy clerk or whoever else) instead of Davis’s name and office. Or if you'd prefer the primary source: https://www.liberty.edu/media/9980/attachments/2015/090715_Emergency_Motion_for_Immediate_Consideration_and_Motion_for_Injunction_Pending_Appeal.pdf From the outset of this case, Davis has proposed numerous simple options that resolve the parties’ conflict, and protect Davis’ sincerely-held religious beliefs. These less restrictive solutions are readily available, and easily accomplished by Gov. Beshear and the KDLA, the state agency responsible for designing the revised marriage form at issue in this litigation. If she wanted to repress gay couples through her office, then why would she specifically request a religious accommodation that would allow gay couples to get married? Your argument makes no sense, and it seems entirely based on the assumption that Kim Davis is a "terrible person". Perhaps her disagreement with you on this issue doesn't make her a terrible person, but rather simply a person who has a different opinion on a particular subject. | ||
{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
It is hard to exaggerate the damage inflicted on AIPAC by the congressional defeat of its efforts to torpedo the Iran nuclear deal. It is not as if AIPAC won’t live to fight again, because it will, but this defeat has ruptured the status quo, possibly forever. The extent of its efforts to defeat the deal was unprecedented even for a lobby known for its no-holds-barred wars against past White House initiatives it considered unfriendly to Israel, going all the way back to the Ford administration. AIPAC, and its cutout Citizens For A Nuclear Free Iran, reportedly budgeted upwards of $20 million for a campaign that included flooding the airwaves with television spots; buying full-page newspaper ads, arranging fly-ins of AIPAC members to Washington, organizing demonstrations at offices of AIPAC-friendly members of Congress who were believed to be wavering, and ensuring that problematic legislators were officially warned by precisely the right donor. Rank-and-file AIPAC members were largely irrelevant to the process. Money did the talking, and also the yelling and the cursing when necessary. As one congressional staffer put it to me, “Taking money from AIPAC is like getting a loan from the mob. You better not forget to pay it back. They walk into this office like they own it.” AIPAC is not a mass-membership organization. It claims 100,000 members, which probably means it has fewer than that. But no matter, it is, or was until now, viewed as speaking for all 6 million American Jews. In fact, whenever it testifies on Capitol Hill, it says it is speaking for the entire organized community. The truth, however, is that 82 percent of American Jews belong to no Jewish organizations at all, meaning not only that there is no organization that speaks for them, but that no organization even knows exactly who they are. Legislators believe that AIPAC is the Jewish voice because (again, until now) that is what they heard from their Jewish donors. Although only 4 to 6 percent of American Jews cast their votes based on Israel policy, and even though Jews have voted consistently Democratic since 1928 (about 70 percent voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012), the donor class led by AIPAC has convinced politicians both that Jews are primarily interested in Israel and that their votes are in play, when, in reality, Jews are the most unwavering of Democrats, second only to African-Americans. And much the same dynamic is at play when it comes to Iran. In fact, the one scientific poll of Jews on attitudes toward the Iran deal showed 49 percent for it, with 31 percent against. (Writing in the September 9 Washington Post, Harold Meyerson explains exactly where the Jewish community stands today, a picture that is very different from the one painted by AIPAC.) So why don’t politicians know this? Source | ||
writer22816
United States5775 Posts
On September 12 2015 06:56 IgnE wrote: I like Trump's email to CNN. Hardly "despicable". I'm with Acrofales here. It's pretty hypocritical and arrogant considering 1) we don't see Trump putting his money where his mouth is and 2) his supremely stupid comments towards McCain and military school. But then again, we already know Trump is an asshole. | ||
Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On September 12 2015 13:44 writer22816 wrote: But then again, we already know Trump is an asshole. Whaaaaat.....? | ||
ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
"How are you gonna create jobs in this country?" "I'm just gonna do it." That's pretty much the level of thought he's put into every single political platform he has, and that's his go-to response for every question, whether it's serious or not. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 13 2015 02:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Can we officially say that Bernie is currently the frontrunner over Hillary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mVQ4PLCc8 No. Pretty sure that Bernie is still losing national polls because he gets crushed with the minority vote. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:00 Stratos_speAr wrote: No. Pretty sure that Bernie is still losing national polls because he gets crushed with the minority vote. Why wouldn't minorities vote for him? | ||
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On September 13 2015 02:44 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Can we officially say that Bernie is currently the frontrunner over Hillary? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6mVQ4PLCc8 Can we officially say Taylor Swift is the frontrunner? | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:17 cLutZ wrote: Can we officially say Taylor Swift is the frontrunner? I don't get it. But to be fair, I'm sure Bernie knows what T-swizzle says about the haters ![]() | ||
cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:22 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I don't get it. But to be fair, I'm sure Bernie knows what T-swizzle says about the haters ![]() She draws even bigger crowds. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
Yeah but she's not in any relevant political polls... obviously. Did you watch the video? It's not about crowds; it's about the polls. | ||
TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why wouldn't minorities vote for him? Because he has 0 name recognition in edit: large, relatively uninformed or politically disinterested portions of the demographic, mostly (though his numbers there are steadily improving from what I have heard). | ||
Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:46 TheTenthDoc wrote: Because he has 0 name recognition in edit: large, relatively uninformed or politically disinterested portions of the demographic, mostly (though his numbers there are steadily improving from what I have heard). To be fair, those also are not primary voters. | ||
Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Yeah but she's not in any relevant political polls... obviously. Did you watch the video? It's not about crowds; it's about the polls. He is winning NH and losing the other first 3 states and getting crushed nationally. In order to be the frontrunner you actually have to bet the one winning and he just isnt. He has some good ideas (some bad ones to) and is good at drawing crowds but you actually have to be winning to be the frontrunner and he just isnt. | ||
Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On September 13 2015 03:08 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Why wouldn't minorities vote for him? Because he's an old white man from a white state that hasn't talked directly about racial issues until very recently. These are pretty well-known issues that have been reported on a lot; Hillary currently crushes Sanders with minorities in the polls, and it's the one big thing that will keep him from overtaking Clinton overall in the primary. He is winning NH and losing the other first 3 states and getting crushed nationally. In order to be the frontrunner you actually have to bet the one winning and he just isnt. He has some good ideas (some bad ones to) and is good at drawing crowds but you actually have to be winning to be the frontrunner and he just isnt. Actually he's leading both NH and Iowa and also has higher net favorability ratings than Clinton. His issue is the minority vote, plain and simple. He's an old white guy from a very white state that has always focused on economic issues as opposed to racial issues for talking points. Despite the fact that his economic stances directly help minorities, it doesn't resonate because minority voters (particularly black voters) want candidates that tackle issues specific to them. | ||
DarkPlasmaBall
United States43793 Posts
On September 13 2015 04:19 Adreme wrote: He is winning NH and losing the other first 3 states and getting crushed nationally. In order to be the frontrunner you actually have to bet the one winning and he just isnt. He has some good ideas (some bad ones to) and is good at drawing crowds but you actually have to be winning to be the frontrunner and he just isnt. He's winning in NH and Iowa. | ||
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