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Introvert
United States5021 Posts
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
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KwarK
United States44245 Posts
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Slaughter
United States20255 Posts
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farvacola
United States18866 Posts
On September 05 2015 22:19 farvacola wrote: There's nothing quite like seeing someone trumpet the intelligence of a man who claims that prison rape proves that homosexuality is a choice. Birds of a feather flock together  There are plenty more ridiculous quotes and terrible ideas that can be attributed to the man. But don't let that stop you, by all means, build consensus around Carson. He'll be even easier to beat than Trump :D | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22525 Posts
I found his answer to his question about waterboarding to be downright repulse. "Torture is fine, everything is allowed in the pursuit of victory". I don't care how rags to riches he is. I don't care hes a brain surgeon. When that is your view I don't want you anywhere near the power of a US president. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46281 Posts
Would I want him as a neurosurgeon? Sure. Would I want him as a president? Are you fucking kidding me? | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
It's also Jeb Bush's appeal, I guess. Although him being the "smart Bush" is kind of... well, setting the bar pretty low. But joking aside, Jeb isn't a moron. I'm almost afraid to admit it, but we could do worse than Jeb and while I won't vote for him, I wouldn't be scared to have him as President. Some conservatives are no doubt starved for the days of William Buckley and that sort of high-brow authority. And yet, who do the majority of conservatives flock to? Trump. The guy who "tells it like it is". They don't want someone who knows how to keep their mouth shut, or who can tout intellectual credentials, they want an internet troll for president. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
The funny part is these folk praise Reagan up and down, but he bent over backwards to compromise with democrats. They would eat him alive now. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 06 2015 06:31 Leporello wrote: Carson's appeal, imo, is being a flag of intellectual-authority from a political camp that provided us with the likes of Sarah Palin, even though his intellectual-authority is completely irrelevant to politics. It's also Jeb Bush's appeal, I guess. Although him being the "smart Bush" is kind of... well, setting the bar pretty low. Some conservatives are no doubt starved for this kind of respectability. And yet, who do the majority of conservative's flock to? Trump. The guy who "tells it like it is". They don't want someone who knows how to keep their mouth shut, or who can tout intellectual credentials, they want an internet troll for president. Jeb has really not done the best job of appearing intelligent. He's a poor speaker, not very articulate, and never seems to actually have confidence in anything he's saying. He always just looks like he's nervously trying to convey ideas his staffers tell him to. On September 06 2015 05:19 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Carson certainly has a very successful and interesting backstory, and he's definitely a great neurosurgeon. I'm having a little trouble understanding the jump from his successful profession to his potential success as a president though. I can't seem to justify how having niche medical knowledge would make him a great or successful president, especially when his scientific knowledge apparently doesn't extend out as far as psychologically understanding sexual orientation, biologically understanding evolution, nor medically understanding marijuana. And that's merely in the realm of related sciences, let alone other topics like his flat tax option for economics. So, while he's undoubtedly brilliant in his profession, he clearly lacks a lot of perspective with many other topics- both scientific and otherwise. It seems that his appeal comes more from his successful backstory and (mostly unrelated) profession, rather than the merit of his presidential ideas. Would I want him as a neurosurgeon? Sure. Would I want him as a president? Are you fucking kidding me? Someone who took enough classes to become a doctor, yet still not believing evolution, is just plain insanity. I think we are well past the point where belief in evolution is something other than mandatory. It really just blows my mind that some people still don't believe it. Many of my religious friends have been able to understand that the bible is a set of philosophies and beliefs and that many of the stories should not be taken literally. But the idea that many people believe some stuff in the bible is just downright fact and not at all intended for conveying of ideas and philosophies is just weird. It doesn't make any sense. If someone is running for president, I can't possibly take them seriously if they question evolution. A single year of college level biology lays out in simple terms what evolution actually means and why it is so definitively correct. This isn't the kinda thing you need to spend your life studying to fully grasp. | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 06 2015 06:41 Leporello wrote: His answers on Iraq are laughable, but I don't blame that on his intellect. I blame that on his brother. Iraq is just a no-win situation for him. He has to either throw his own brother under the bus, or take a position that has become so increasingly indefensible. So he looks like either a callous coward, or an idiot. Thanks Georgie! What I don't get is: Why is it so unthinkable to throw his brother under the bus? It was a huge mistake. It is an unwinnable position to support him. No one will be president who says Iraq was a good idea. | ||
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Jormundr
United States1678 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 06 2015 06:58 Mohdoo wrote: What I don't get is: Why is it so unthinkable to throw his brother under the bus? It was a huge mistake. It is an unwinnable position to support him. No one will be president who says Iraq was a good idea. Because if he loses he still has the same family. Dodging the question isn't great, but putting his brother on full blast will come off as opportunistic and phony. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
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KwarK
United States44245 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 06 2015 07:06 Mohdoo wrote: Am I the only one who thinks a family relationship can handle that? It's not like he's gotta call his brother a shit head. He just needs to admit that it was a poor decision and that he would have made another decision. Would that really end a family bond? I really don't think so. I think we are all completely uninformed on how his family would react. No response from his family is going to be completely relational or pragmatic. It's not worth speculating about. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15743 Posts
On September 06 2015 07:10 Plansix wrote: I think we are all completely uninformed on how his family would react. No response from his family is going to be completely relational or pragmatic. It's not worth speculating about. Aren't we speculating by saying he could never consider speaking against the Iraq war because of family responses? | ||
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killa_robot
Canada1884 Posts
On September 06 2015 07:02 Jormundr wrote: It was a lot easier to become a doctor back in carson's day, to be fair. It was a lot easier to do anything back in his day. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On September 06 2015 07:13 Mohdoo wrote: Aren't we speculating by saying he could never consider speaking against the Iraq war because of family responses? Yeah, but you specifically said you thought that his family could deal with it. I am just saying there is a very real chance that isn't true. W Bush was loyal to a such a fault that he kept people like Rumsfeld around for like 6 years. | ||
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