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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18828 Posts
August 05 2015 19:20 GMT
#43061
On August 06 2015 04:07 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:36 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also the for the second day shots were fired in MS where the jade helm exercises were taking place.

North Carolina is not one of the states where the U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" is taking place this summer. Nevertheless, three men from Gaston County were charged with conspiring to arm themselves with illegal explosive devices to combat what they saw as a potential military takeover, according to court documents unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Charlotte.

The documents alleged Walter Eugene Litteral, 50, Christopher James Barker, 42, and Christopher Todd Campbell, 30, stockpiled weapons and discussed how to build homemade explosive devices. Litteral also allegedly tried to purchase a firearm for Barker, who is a convicted felon.

A tipster first contacted the FBI in June after becoming concerned that Litteral and Campbell were "preparing to use lethal force against United States government forces in order to defend against the imposition of martial law or other infringements on their rights," according to an affidavit. The affidavit noted that the two men had discussed their belief that "Jade Helm 15" was actually a cover for the implementation of martial law with the tipster.

Litteral ordered a great deal of military-grade equipment from the tipster, including approximately 60 rounds of ammunition for a .338 caliber long-range rifle, Kevlar helmets and body armor, according to the affidavit. He requested that the equipment be delivered by July 15, the start date of the military training exercise. He also purchased smokeless rifle powder, two-way radios and balaclavas.

The affidavit cited recorded conversations that showed Litteral allegedly planned to have his house rigged with explosives should any government agents come knocking.


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So not only Texas is this stupid?
Wow.

Texas is pretty smart compared to the rest of the south. They're just more macho, gay, and afraid of people knowing that they're queers with steers.

This is largely true. In terms of governance, Texas is run quite well compared to its fellow conservative bed mates.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Cowboy64
Profile Joined April 2015
115 Posts
August 05 2015 20:37 GMT
#43062
On August 06 2015 03:05 Plansix wrote:
The fact that they keep going back to the well on that one, even though national polls show no one is on their side blows my mind.

I believe the last poll had it at 49% opposed (to defunding) and 42% supporting.

That's not a majority, but it's definitely not some insignificant fringe.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 05 2015 20:45 GMT
#43063
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A federal appeals court struck down Texas' voter ID law on Wednesday in a victory for the Obama administration, which had taken the unusual step of bringing the weight of the U.S. Justice Department to fight new Republican-backed mandates at the ballot box.

The 5th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the 2011 law carries a "discriminatory effect" and violates one of the remaining provisions of the Voting Rights Act — the heart of which was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court in 2013.

Texas was allowed to use the voter ID law during the 2014 elections, thereby requiring an estimated 13.6 million registered Texas voters to have a photo ID.

Section 2 of the landmark civil rights law required opponents to meet a far higher threshold and prove that Texas intentionally discriminated against minority voters.

"We conclude that the district court did not reversibly err in determining that SB 14 violates Section 2 by disparately impacting minority voters," the court wrote.

The Justice Department had argued that the Texas law, considered one of the toughest voter ID measures in the country, would prevent as many as 600,000 voters from casting a ballot because they lacked one of seven forms of approved ID.

Republican Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton did not immediately comment on the ruling.


Source
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
August 05 2015 23:17 GMT
#43064
The economic miracle in Texas has a lot more to do with geographical and demographical factors, along with plenty of cheap land and natural resources, than with the poltical governance of the state.
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
Jayme
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States5866 Posts
August 05 2015 23:33 GMT
#43065
On August 06 2015 04:07 Jormundr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:36 Gorsameth wrote:
On August 06 2015 03:19 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Also the for the second day shots were fired in MS where the jade helm exercises were taking place.

North Carolina is not one of the states where the U.S. military training exercise dubbed "Jade Helm 15" is taking place this summer. Nevertheless, three men from Gaston County were charged with conspiring to arm themselves with illegal explosive devices to combat what they saw as a potential military takeover, according to court documents unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Charlotte.

The documents alleged Walter Eugene Litteral, 50, Christopher James Barker, 42, and Christopher Todd Campbell, 30, stockpiled weapons and discussed how to build homemade explosive devices. Litteral also allegedly tried to purchase a firearm for Barker, who is a convicted felon.

A tipster first contacted the FBI in June after becoming concerned that Litteral and Campbell were "preparing to use lethal force against United States government forces in order to defend against the imposition of martial law or other infringements on their rights," according to an affidavit. The affidavit noted that the two men had discussed their belief that "Jade Helm 15" was actually a cover for the implementation of martial law with the tipster.

Litteral ordered a great deal of military-grade equipment from the tipster, including approximately 60 rounds of ammunition for a .338 caliber long-range rifle, Kevlar helmets and body armor, according to the affidavit. He requested that the equipment be delivered by July 15, the start date of the military training exercise. He also purchased smokeless rifle powder, two-way radios and balaclavas.

The affidavit cited recorded conversations that showed Litteral allegedly planned to have his house rigged with explosives should any government agents come knocking.


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So not only Texas is this stupid?
Wow.

Texas is pretty smart compared to the rest of the south. They're just more macho, gay, and afraid of people knowing that they're queers with steers.


Our current governor is rather insane. Texas just has the luck of having vast resources and cheap land with which to fuel its economy.

I mean our major cities are okay but there are plenty of rural places of avoid like the Plague.
Python is garbage, number 1 advocate of getting rid of it.
darthfoley
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States8003 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 00:53:35
August 06 2015 00:52 GMT
#43066
Sanders schedules stop at Liberty University
By Mark Hensch


Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) plans on addressing students at the evangelical Liberty University next month.

The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate plans to visit the Lynchburg, Va. campus on Sept. 14 for the school’s fall convocation, according to Liberty’s website.

Its website touts the event — held three a times a week at its Vines Center — as “North America’s largest weekly gathering of Christian students.” The Lynchburg News & Advance said the events frequently draw more than 12,000 people.
The speeches are also mandatory for residential, undergraduate students at Liberty.

Sanders’s appearance would provide him with a younger, more conservative audience than he typically attracts, as he is considered the most liberal candidate in the 2016 race.


Talk about not giving a fuck and having balls of steel; i applaud Mr. Sanders for being risky
watch the wall collide with my fist, mostly over problems that i know i should fix
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
August 06 2015 00:56 GMT
#43067
lol thats where cruz announced his candidacy
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
August 06 2015 01:27 GMT
#43068
On August 06 2015 09:52 darthfoley wrote:
Sanders schedules stop at Liberty University
By Mark Hensch


Show nested quote +
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) plans on addressing students at the evangelical Liberty University next month.

The 2016 Democratic presidential candidate plans to visit the Lynchburg, Va. campus on Sept. 14 for the school’s fall convocation, according to Liberty’s website.

Its website touts the event — held three a times a week at its Vines Center — as “North America’s largest weekly gathering of Christian students.” The Lynchburg News & Advance said the events frequently draw more than 12,000 people.
The speeches are also mandatory for residential, undergraduate students at Liberty.

Sanders’s appearance would provide him with a younger, more conservative audience than he typically attracts, as he is considered the most liberal candidate in the 2016 race.


Talk about not giving a fuck and having balls of steel; i applaud Mr. Sanders for being risky


Yeah the audience was not afraid to cheer or grumble either, so we'll see a legitimate reaction. Should be the most interesting rally of the year.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
August 06 2015 01:30 GMT
#43069
The new Drug Enforcement Administration chief has finally made it clear: Marijuana is safer than heroin.

DEA head Chuck Rosenberg told reporters Wednesday morning at the administration's headquarters that "heroin is clearly more dangerous than marijuana," clarifying a less definitive statement he made last week, when he said marijuana is "probably not" as dangerous as heroin. Rosenberg said cannabis is still "harmful and dangerous," but that his original remarks should have been clearer.

Cameras were not allowed at the press briefing, but DEA spokesman Joseph Moses confirmed Rosenberg's remarks to The Huffington Post.

The statement lines up with the science that has long been clear on the plant being one of the least dangerous recreationally used drugs. And while Rosenberg's comments may initially seem benign, they represent a significant shift in the point of view of an agency that continues to classify marijuana as one of the "most dangerous" drugs, alongside heroin and LSD.

They also represent a departure from the former head of the drug agency, Michele Leonhart, who resigned earlier this year amid allegations that DEA agents participated in "sex parties" with prostitutes in Colombia. She refused to acknowledge that marijuana might not be as unhealthy as harder drugs like heroin and crack.

Four states and the District of Columbia have now legalized recreational marijuana, and 23 states have legalized the drug for medical purposes. Activists and lawmakers in favor of marijuana policy reform have held out hope that Rosenberg would lead the DEA away from its heavy-handed, marijuana prohibition-focused past. Instead, they've championed a pragmatic approach to monitoring and enforcing the drug that falls in line with the public's support for its legalization, as well as congressional support for states that have relaxed their marijuana laws.

Under the Controlled Substances Act, the U.S. has five categories for drugs and drug ingredients. Schedule I is reserved for drugs the DEA considers to have the highest potential for abuse and no medical value. Marijuana has been classified as Schedule I for decades.


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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Yoav
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1874 Posts
August 06 2015 02:11 GMT
#43070
On August 06 2015 01:59 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2015 23:22 Yoav wrote:

But would Trump pick good foreign policy advisers? I doubt it. Would he even know where to look? Would he have a good economic team? I doubt it. The guy doesn't know shit about the economy. You need to have a basis of knowledge to pick advisers. This is why a President Kerry would have been awesome.


Can you elaborate on what you think makes this task so impossible? Could he not hire consultants the same way candidates hire campaign managers and the like? How is it such an unknowable thing? I'm sure there are a few people you could hire to give you a very thorough rundown on the pros/cons/views of a wide range of candidates.


Because everybody agrees David Axelrod runs a glorious campaign. It's a management skill, and is fairly objectively measurable. Knowing what the fuck to do about North Korean nukes isn't objectively measureable. You pick people of various intelligence from one of a number of camps.

Sure, some stuff is technocratically handleable. Most isn't. And Trump shows no real inclination to hire technocrats in the first place. (For whatever it's worth, Clinton would hire people to repay favors and Bush would pick up the guys who fucked up the Middle East.)
susanrey
Profile Joined August 2015
1 Post
August 06 2015 02:40 GMT
#43071
--- Nuked ---
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
August 06 2015 02:56 GMT
#43072
FBI is now involved in Clinton's E-mail scandal and say its a Criminal Investigation.
http://nypost.com/2015/08/05/fbi-investigation-of-hillarys-emails-is-criminal-probe/
Hillary is going down faster than Monica.
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States23238 Posts
August 06 2015 03:04 GMT
#43073
On August 06 2015 11:56 whatisthisasheep wrote:
FBI is now involved in Clinton's E-mail scandal and say its a Criminal Investigation.
http://nypost.com/2015/08/05/fbi-investigation-of-hillarys-emails-is-criminal-probe/
Hillary is going down faster than Monica.


Ahh the NY Post.

"sources say" lol.

Not a Hillary fan but they are hyping it up. She's going to have her ass covered, but it's bad press until the Clinton camp can retroactively dot their i's and cross their t's and sort it out.

If they actually publicly called it a criminal investigation, or even more unlikely, actually brought charges, she'll still buy/influence her way out of any criminal punishment.
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 04:36:45
August 06 2015 04:34 GMT
#43074
On August 06 2015 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote:

This whole planned parenthood thing has been pretty ridiculous from the start. Republicans might of had an issue if they didn't go full stupid with it.


I don't think so. I think planned parenthood and gay marriage are two issues where that ship has sailed. I don't think being against either of those things is viable on a national stage.


Abortion as an issue is nearly split down the middle in this country (in the general sense). Once you get into more specifics, the Democrats are generally on the more extreme side with nearly 80% of the country against abortions after 20 weeks. If you think that's a winning issue, be my guest. The trend is also going more in my direction than it is the abortion direction. I can't believe how many people so vociferously support PP - one of the most heinous eugenic organizations in this country. Lauding Margaret Sanger should be a pendant worn only around the most vile, not be a rallying cry for anything. The killing of vast amounts of the poor and minorities (which are and were the whole point to PP - go read The Pivot of Civilization), is a huge tragedy.

People also need to stop conflating reproductive health, birth control, maternal care, and other OB-GYN issues with abortion. If anything is ill-funded in this country, and made ridiculously more difficult than it should be is adoption.
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
August 06 2015 04:52 GMT
#43075
On August 06 2015 13:34 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 03:05 Mohdoo wrote:
On August 06 2015 02:57 GreenHorizons wrote:

This whole planned parenthood thing has been pretty ridiculous from the start. Republicans might of had an issue if they didn't go full stupid with it.


I don't think so. I think planned parenthood and gay marriage are two issues where that ship has sailed. I don't think being against either of those things is viable on a national stage.


Abortion as an issue is nearly split down the middle in this country (in the general sense). Once you get into more specifics, the Democrats are generally on the more extreme side with nearly 80% of the country against abortions after 20 weeks. If you think that's a winning issue, be my guest. The trend is also going more in my direction than it is the abortion direction. I can't believe how many people so vociferously support PP - one of the most heinous eugenic organizations in this country. Lauding Margaret Sanger should be a pendant worn only around the most vile, not be a rallying cry for anything. The killing of vast amounts of the poor and minorities (which are and were the whole point to PP - go read The Pivot of Civilization), is a huge tragedy.

People also need to stop conflating reproductive health, birth control, maternal care, and other OB-GYN issues with abortion. If anything is ill-funded in this country, and made ridiculously more difficult than it should be is adoption.


Although I mostly disagree/dont have strong feelings, just as a technical point. Money is fungible. If you fund an entity that provides abortions, you are funding abortions, even if the funding is ostensibly for another service. Unless that service is provided at a loss by the entity, and would exist even without the funding.
Freeeeeeedom
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
August 06 2015 05:14 GMT
#43076
wegandi - that sounds too much like crazy ranting to me, far too much extreme rhetoric. That's not going to convince anyone.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
Wegandi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2455 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 05:28:16
August 06 2015 05:25 GMT
#43077
On August 06 2015 14:14 zlefin wrote:
wegandi - that sounds too much like crazy ranting to me, far too much extreme rhetoric. That's not going to convince anyone.


If that's extreme you should read Sanger, and the history of PP. She did some good with the overturning of Comstock laws and what not, even if she was a vapid white supremacist, but if she only stuck with birth control we'd all be better off. There's a huge gulf between birth control of all varieties, and abortions, especially given her raison d'etre. Given that one of the biggest reasons I see pulled out of the abortion hat is 'financial' and better to kill the unborn than have them live in a poor household with 'unfit' parents, and or, it puts too much stress on society, that I don't see any meaningful difference between a lot of today's abortion supporters and Sanger and her eugenic filth.

Then, there's these facts:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/

Again, one of the main reasons for PP and abortions in the first place. To keep the 'undesirable' population in check. So, please, again tell me who's on the extreme side here?
Thank you bureaucrats for all your hard work, your commitment to public service and public good is essential to the lives of so many. Also, for Pete's sake can we please get some gun control already, no need for hand guns and assault rifles for the public
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15690 Posts
August 06 2015 05:45 GMT
#43078
I still think it's very interesting to see how sacred people see human flesh. I think the distinction between man and beast is thought, knowledge and experiences. A bunch of flesh is just a bunch of flesh. Without experiences, feelings and relationships, what does it really mean to be human?
zlefin
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States7689 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-08-06 05:49:17
August 06 2015 05:48 GMT
#43079
wegandi - If you can't see a meaningful difference that's on you, because there's a world of difference. A lot of people had a lot of bad views way back then.
the black population is not decreasing as a % of total, so there's no eugenics happening. A higher rate of abortions is indicative of a higher rate of unplanned/unwanted pregnancies.

I'm not the one on the extreme side; the rhetoric you're using is extreme, whether your actual views are extreme would depend on what exactly they are.
Great read: http://shorensteincenter.org/news-coverage-2016-general-election/ great book on democracy: http://press.princeton.edu/titles/10671.html zlefin is grumpier due to long term illness. Ignoring some users.
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1058 Posts
August 06 2015 05:58 GMT
#43080
On August 06 2015 14:25 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2015 14:14 zlefin wrote:
wegandi - that sounds too much like crazy ranting to me, far too much extreme rhetoric. That's not going to convince anyone.


If that's extreme you should read Sanger, and the history of PP. She did some good with the overturning of Comstock laws and what not, even if she was a vapid white supremacist, but if she only stuck with birth control we'd all be better off. There's a huge gulf between birth control of all varieties, and abortions, especially given her raison d'etre. Given that one of the biggest reasons I see pulled out of the abortion hat is 'financial' and better to kill the unborn than have them live in a poor household with 'unfit' parents, and or, it puts too much stress on society, that I don't see any meaningful difference between a lot of today's abortion supporters and Sanger and her eugenic filth.

Then, there's these facts:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/09/abortions-racial-gap/380251/

Again, one of the main reasons for PP and abortions in the first place. To keep the 'undesirable' population in check. So, please, again tell me who's on the extreme side here?

Ehh, you're trying to simplify a complex issue with no simple answers by trying to turn Planned Parenthood into a racist conspiracy.

If you think it's fine to force a woman to have her vagina stretched out or have her belly cut open because she was forced to have a baby that she didn't want and can't/won't take care of, then that seems extreme to me.

The thing about abortion is that people fight for choice, not abortion. If we forced minorities or the poor to have abortions, that would be eugenics. If we allow people to choose, it's really hard to call that eugenics even if a specific segment of the population is more likely to have one. However, as I said, it's a complicated issue. At what point do the rights of the unborn child trump the rights of the potential mother? Because one or the other is losing their rights at some point.

The biggest problem I tend to have with most pro-lifers is that those same people seem to give the least shit about a baby after it's born. Most of them don't want their tax dollars going towards taking care of that baby in any way once it's born. If you're a pro-life person who believes in strongly funding orphanages or increasing welfare payments to poor mothers who keep their children, then I could potentially get on board and tell the mother that her rights to her own body got trumped by her baby's right to life. However, if you're with the typical right-wing pro-life crowd that demonizes poor people as leeches and won't do anything to help them (other than lower taxes on the income that they don't make), then you're fighting a losing battle with me and a lot of people like me.

I tend to favor the practical, and until significant funding is set up to take care of unwanted children, allowing the choice to abort seems to be the most practical choice.
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