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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17972 Posts
July 16 2015 18:40 GMT
#42181
Same for school teachers. I happen to work in the area of digitizing education, and if the things that are being talked about and experimented now take off, the teacher will be a glorified babysitter between now and 10 years.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 16 2015 20:17 GMT
#42182
Since the demagoguery over Citizens United seems inescapable, I was thinking about making a big write up about it, but I suspect that people are just going to think what they want.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 21:07:05
July 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#42183
PLEASE don't let the guy who shot those 5 marines dead in Tennessee turn out to be a illegal immigrant. That would be a disaster.
http://news.yahoo.com/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html

Will Biden hurt Hillary or Sanders once he enters the Presidential race?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
Introvert
Profile Joined April 2011
United States4741 Posts
July 16 2015 21:06 GMT
#42184
That would be a safe guess. For the most part, long posts are useless here, as you won't make any progress. Better to use short posts and only respond to specific things when the opportunity presents itself.
"It is therefore only at the birth of a society that one can be completely logical in the laws. When you see a people enjoying this advantage, do not hasten to conclude that it is wise; think rather that it is young." -Alexis de Tocqueville
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 16 2015 21:40 GMT
#42185
On July 17 2015 06:06 Introvert wrote:
That would be a safe guess. For the most part, long posts are useless here, as you won't make any progress. Better to use short posts and only respond to specific things when the opportunity presents itself.


I think that would be equally pointless.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
July 16 2015 21:48 GMT
#42186
On July 17 2015 06:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
PLEASE don't let the guy who shot those 5 marines dead in Tennessee turn out to be a illegal immigrant. That would be a disaster.
http://news.yahoo.com/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html

Will Biden hurt Hillary or Sanders once he enters the Presidential race?

It's some fuck head with a muslim name. ISIS took credit during the shootings.
dude bro.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10687 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 22:05:04
July 16 2015 22:04 GMT
#42187
On July 17 2015 06:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Will Biden hurt Hillary or Sanders once he enters the Presidential race?



I doubt he will hurt Sanders (not known before presidential race, so he is running on message), but he could hurt Hillary (running on name and now there is a second big name).
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
July 16 2015 22:05 GMT
#42188
On July 16 2015 13:00 KwarK wrote:
I don't see why diagnostics can't work somewhat like Akinator (the 20 questions bot) where it learns from the answers to constantly improve its accuracy. The more human experience it gets the better it is at identifying patterns that lead it to the correct conclusion. Yes, humans don't always immediately tell you the right symptoms to diagnose something but a computer program doesn't distinguish saying "I heard a loud crack and now I can see my shin bone" from "I was hesitant to come in because it's probably nothing". It's not incapable of intuition because it doesn't have a base level of communication which excludes things it would intuit, if that makes sense. Everything is valid for diagnostics and with a decent sample size it ought to be able to draw conclusions mimicking intuition.

If anything it ought to outperform doctors, it can't miss cues and it has every other case it has ever seen (orders of magnitude more than any doctor) to compare against with perfect recall. You'd need human assistance, especially at first while you teach it, but that kind of pattern recognition and database comparison is exactly what computers beat humans at.


Pretty much. Diagnosing an issue against a database of information is one of the easiest things to program. What's more is these machines (or one central machine) would get more accurate as time goes by if machine learning is put into place (which no doubt would be done).

Personally I think it's the diagnostic equipment that would take the longest to create. Humans lie/are wrong about things all the time, so having equipment to preform the tests would be the deciding factor in how well this works.

If equipment could not be made to be human-less, physicians would likely just be replaced by technicians with little knowledge of health, but that can work the machines and walk people through the steps required to diagnose them.
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
July 16 2015 22:10 GMT
#42189
On July 16 2015 10:38 Belisarius wrote:
Just on that, here's a fun little toy that predicts how likely a given job is to be automated. The full document/paper is here.

Top 20 least likely to be automated:
+ Show Spoiler +

1. Recreational therapists
2. First-line supervisors of mechanics, installers and repairers
3. Emergency management directors
4. Mental health and substance abuse social workers
5. Audiologists
6. Occupational therapists
7. Orthotists and prosthetists
8. Healthcare social workers
9. Oral and maxillofacial surgeons
10. First-line supervisors of fire-fighting and prevention workers
11. Dietiticians and nutritionists
12. Lodging managers
13. Choreographers
14. Sales engineers
15. Physicians and surgeons
16. Instructional coordinators
17. Psychologists
18. First-line supervisors of police and detectives
19. Dentists (general)
20. Elementary school teachers (except special education)


Top 20 most likely to be automated:
+ Show Spoiler +

1. Telemarketers
2. Title examiners, abstracters, and searchers
3. Hand sewers
4. Mathematical technicians
5. Insurance underwriters
6. Watch repairers
7. Cargo and freight agents
8. Tax preparers
9. Photographic process workers and processing machine operators
10. New accounts clerks
11. Library technicians
12. Data entry keyers
13. Timing device assemblers and adjusters
14. Insurance claims processing and policy clerks
15. Brokerage clerks
16. Order clerks
17. Loan officers
18. Insurance appraisers, auto damage
19. Umpires, referees and other sports officials
20. Tellers


The little gadget thing lets you stick any job in and see how it rates. Of course it's just a bunch of researchers' guesses but the results are pretty interesting.

Fun site, I have a 1.7% chance of being automated.
Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 16 2015 22:16 GMT
#42190
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.
I'm not stupid, a marauder just shot my brain.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
July 16 2015 22:38 GMT
#42191
On July 17 2015 06:04 whatisthisasheep wrote:
PLEASE don't let the guy who shot those 5 marines dead in Tennessee turn out to be a illegal immigrant. That would be a disaster.
http://news.yahoo.com/chattanooga-active-shooter-officer-down-live-coverage-154953657.html

Will Biden hurt Hillary or Sanders once he enters the Presidential race?


Definitely hurt Hillary more than Sanders imo, as his image and interests align more closely with Hillary's than with Sanders's.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18825 Posts
July 16 2015 22:42 GMT
#42192
Technology is not the solution to the problem of education. Attention span problems are merely one example of why this is true.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
July 16 2015 22:48 GMT
#42193
Unfortunately, many states and districts are literally forcing teachers to use every form of new-age technology under the sun- even when the technology is irrelevant or not ideal in specific contexts. Technology should be treated as a supplement to instruction; it should not replace instruction. We see ubiquitously that teacher evaluations have a Technology box to check off during observations, where the question of "Did you use technology?" is a question, rather than caring how it's used or if a particular technology is even relevant. It's great to have better infrastructure in schools, but it's simply wrong to say that a lesson that's forced to accommodate a desired technology is necessarily going to be more successful, simply because "Technology was used."
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42558 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 23:18:46
July 16 2015 23:08 GMT
#42194
Waiting for the accusations if terrorism and false comparisons to start even though the ISIS supporter killed uniformed marines.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
heliusx
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States2306 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-16 23:16:27
July 16 2015 23:15 GMT
#42195
It's gonna be a shit storm, you can count on that.
dude bro.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 16 2015 23:23 GMT
#42196
On July 17 2015 07:16 Jerubaal wrote:
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.

As a person who once passed English class, they don't pay attention to the teacher either.
Freeeeeeedom
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10687 Posts
July 17 2015 00:01 GMT
#42197
On July 17 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 07:16 Jerubaal wrote:
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.

As a person who once passed English class, they don't pay attention to the teacher either.


Which is exactly what he said?
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44222 Posts
July 17 2015 00:02 GMT
#42198
On July 17 2015 09:01 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote:
On July 17 2015 07:16 Jerubaal wrote:
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.

As a person who once passed English class, they don't pay attention to the teacher either.


Which is exactly what he said?


He didn't notice though.

Wasn't paying attention.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
July 17 2015 00:19 GMT
#42199
On July 17 2015 09:01 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote:
On July 17 2015 07:16 Jerubaal wrote:
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.

As a person who once passed English class, they don't pay attention to the teacher either.


Which is exactly what he said?

Then how is a teacher superior?
Freeeeeeedom
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
July 17 2015 00:26 GMT
#42200
On July 17 2015 09:19 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2015 09:01 Velr wrote:
On July 17 2015 08:23 cLutZ wrote:
On July 17 2015 07:16 Jerubaal wrote:
As an English teacher, the biggest problem with technology is that kids can't focus on anything for more than 15 seconds.

As a person who once passed English class, they don't pay attention to the teacher either.


Which is exactly what he said?

Then how is a teacher superior?


For people who have to put in effort to pass an English class? Vastly.

I don't see computers flat out replacing teachers anytime soon unless they are closer to true artificial intelligence then I think.
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