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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/yLtjTrX.png) <3 Fox News. They reeeaaaaallllyy don't like Rand Paul lol. He did better than the whole bottom row in that survey (7%) and did the near best 1-1 vs Clinton and was mentioned by name in the original source headline. Or as reported by Fox, "He was in the survey?" What's weird is that's really the group Fox wants on their debate stage? They prefer Trump and Christie over Paul, really ? | ||
KwarK
United States42978 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44608 Posts
On May 30 2015 00:17 KwarK wrote: Fixed that for you, my kids can have my genes, my wisdom and my time. That ought to be more than enough to set them up with their own fortune. That's a good philosophy to have  Especially the time part. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44608 Posts
On May 30 2015 00:30 GreenHorizons wrote: <3 Fox News. They reeeaaaaallllyy don't like Rand Paul lol. He did better than the whole bottom row in that survey (7%) and did the near best 1-1 vs Clinton and was mentioned by name in the original source headline. Or as reported by Fox, "He was in the survey?" What's weird is that's really the group Fox wants on their debate stage? They prefer Trump and Christie over Paul, really ? I'm laughing so hard at this, and I'm sticking this in my folder of Fox News misrepresentations/ incorrect graphs and data tables that I show my statistics students every semester :D :D :D | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands21798 Posts
Bush 10% http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2228 | ||
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screamingpalm
United States1527 Posts
On May 30 2015 00:33 KwarK wrote: Those add up to 69%. Someone out there is getting a shitton of votes. Hillary? :D | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Americans are becoming increasingly more liberal across several moral issues. According to a new Gallup study, a record high percentage of Americans are now accepting of same-sex relationships, having a baby outside of marriage and premarital sex between men and women. Sixty-three percent of Americans now say they are accepting of same-sex couples. Only 40 percent felt that way in 2001. The 23-point jump in just 14 years marks the greatest shift in opinion to the left out of any issue Gallup measured in the survey. Substantial progression to the left has also occurred on having a child out of wedlock. Today, 61 percent report that they are comfortable with the idea, a 16-point increase from when Gallup last asked the question in 2001. When it comes to premarital sex between men and women, 68 percent of Americans now see it as morally acceptable, compared to 53 percent in 2001. Moral acceptance of divorce and stem cell research has also jumped by 12 points, reaching 71 percent and 64 percent respectively. By slightly lesser margins, Americans have also grown more accepting of issues such as polygamy and cloning humans. Still, these issues are seen as morally acceptable by less than one-sixth of the population. Source | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44608 Posts
That poll is good news | ||
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Simberto
Germany11557 Posts
I'd love to see statistics about that for germany, because these number sound so much higher than anything i would expect from my daily experience. I am pretty sure that noone here cares about pre-marital sex at all, and i don't think the number for children is much higher (Though it could be with a lot of the people who expect a marriage to lead to more stability for the child) The only person that i know where i can even imagine her mentioning this is my grandmother, and that is just because she loves to gossip about anyone and anything. | ||
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Yurie
11882 Posts
On May 30 2015 02:43 Simberto wrote: What surprises me is that this means that 32% of americans have a problem with pre-marital sex, and 39% with children out of wedlock. (Ignoring the "don't answer" people) I'd love to see statistics about that for germany, because these number sound so much higher than anything i would expect from my daily experience. I am pretty sure that noone here cares about pre-marital sex at all, and i don't think the number for children is much higher (Though it could be with a lot of the people who expect a marriage to lead to more stability for the child) The only person that i know where i can even imagine her mentioning this is my grandmother, and that is just because she loves to gossip about anyone and anything. http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/04/15/global-morality/table/premarital-sex/ | ||
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GreenHorizons
United States23298 Posts
On May 30 2015 02:45 Yurie wrote: http://www.pewglobal.org/2014/04/15/global-morality/table/premarital-sex/ The most fascinating number I saw was how less than a majority of French respondents said extra marital sex (affairs) were morally unacceptable. That just mean it needs to be negotiated or something? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On May 30 2015 02:43 Simberto wrote: What surprises me is that this means that 32% of americans have a problem with pre-marital sex, and 39% with children out of wedlock. (Ignoring the "don't answer" people) I'd love to see statistics about that for germany, because these number sound so much higher than anything i would expect from my daily experience. I am pretty sure that noone here cares about pre-marital sex at all, and i don't think the number for children is much higher (Though it could be with a lot of the people who expect a marriage to lead to more stability for the child) The only person that i know where i can even imagine her mentioning this is my grandmother, and that is just because she loves to gossip about anyone and anything. To me, the surprising part is that the gap is not much larger. Premarital sex is widespread and not really a problem, whereas out of wedlock children are much rarer, and pose a significant social problem. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
Yes I know being born out of wedlock and single parenthood are different but I'm sure that in the majority of cases they are synonymous. On May 30 2015 03:19 cLutZ wrote: To me, the surprising part is that the gap is not much larger. Premarital sex is widespread and not really a problem, whereas out of wedlock children are much rarer, and pose a significant social problem. I think they both are mostly a result of a religious world-view so someone who holds one opinion is likely to hold the other. | ||
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Yurie
11882 Posts
On May 30 2015 03:23 Chocolate wrote: I think becoming "comfortable with the idea" of single parenthood is probably largely influenced by its increasing prevalence. If I lived in a society where 2% of children were born out of wedlock, I would probably not be comfortable with the idea of single parenthood either because it's objectively worse for the child. It's just so common now that it's becoming the norm. Yes I know being born out of wedlock and single parenthood are different but I'm sure that in the majority of cases they are synonymous. I think they both are mostly a result of a religious world-view so someone who holds one opinion is likely to hold the other. There are a lot of people that live together for 20+ years, have children and never marry in countries with no tax advantage for being married. | ||
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Chocolate
United States2350 Posts
On May 30 2015 03:28 Yurie wrote: There are a lot of people that live together for 20+ years, have children and never marry in countries with no tax advantage for being married. I know but I really don't think it's common in the US I do think it's becoming more common though as men become less inclined to get married. I think there's a good chance I'll never marry even if I do start a family with a long-term partner. But in general I think this is an opinion mostly only held by the under 35 age group and even then only by a fraction of it. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 30 2015 03:19 cLutZ wrote: To me, the surprising part is that the gap is not much larger. Premarital sex is widespread and not really a problem, whereas out of wedlock children are much rarer, and pose a significant social problem. No they don't. Children raised by a single parent pose a significant social problem, due to their (on average) significantly worse outcomes. Just because parents aren't married doesn't mean they aren't raising a child together. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44608 Posts
On May 30 2015 04:25 Stratos_speAr wrote: No they don't. Children raised by a single parent pose a significant social problem, due to their (on average) significantly worse outcomes. Just because parents aren't married doesn't mean they aren't raising a child together. I agree. I would like to see statistics comparing the two (social and academic success of children raised by single parents vs. children raised by two parents who don't live together/ are separated/ divorced but are still working together for the good of the children), but as someone who was raised in a single parent household without the aid of a second parent, I think having a second supportive parent eases financial and emotional strain and in turn makes things much easier than only having one parent. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On May 30 2015 04:39 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I agree. I would like to see statistics comparing the two (social and academic success of children raised by single parents vs. children raised by two parents who don't live together/ are separated/ divorced but are still working together for the good of the children), but as someone who was raised in a single parent household without the aid of a second parent, I think having a second supportive parent eases financial and emotional strain and in turn makes things much easier than only having one parent. There's a lot of research out there that shows pretty conclusively that kids raised in a single-parent household have notably worse outcomes (on average, of course) than kids in a two-parent household. If I'm remembering correctly, I don't think there's a discernible difference between married vs. non-married couples, and I know there isn't a difference between heterosexual and homosexual couples. | ||
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Danglars
United States12133 Posts
On May 30 2015 02:43 Simberto wrote: What surprises me is that this means that 32% of americans have a problem with pre-marital sex, and 39% with children out of wedlock. (Ignoring the "don't answer" people) I'd love to see statistics about that for germany, because these number sound so much higher than anything i would expect from my daily experience. I am pretty sure that noone here cares about pre-marital sex at all, and i don't think the number for children is much higher (Though it could be with a lot of the people who expect a marriage to lead to more stability for the child) The only person that i know where i can even imagine her mentioning this is my grandmother, and that is just because she loves to gossip about anyone and anything. The source pegs unmarried sex at 29% "morally wrong" and baby outside of marriage at 35%. Not 32% and 39% if you ignore volunteered 'depends,' 'not moral issue,' and 'no opinion.' On May 30 2015 03:19 cLutZ wrote: To me, the surprising part is that the gap is not much larger. Premarital sex is widespread and not really a problem, whereas out of wedlock children are much rarer, and pose a significant social problem. The poll asked a very specific question. Regardless of whether or not you think it should be legal, for each one, please tell me whether you personally believe that in general it is morally acceptable or morally wrong. How about -- So when you talk about what is and is not really a problem, already the poll is screening out legal/societal issues (i.e. not a problem that there should be a law against). The poll is asking about moral rights (Well, Right+Neutral=Acceptable?) and wrongs, regardless of social impact. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44608 Posts
Bernie Sanders Has More Support Than Every 2016 Republican Candidate In New Poll According to the latest polling, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-VT) presidential campaign has more support than the campaign of media favorites Scott Walker, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, Ted Cruz, and every other Republican candidate. The latest Quinnipiac Poll revealed that five Republicans are tied at the top of the Republican field. Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, Scott Walker, Ben Carson, and Mike Huckabee each were at 10%. Do you know who is more popular than even the most popular 2016 Republicans? Sen. Bernie Sanders. In the same poll, Sanders was supported by 15% of Democrats for their party’s nomination. Sen. Sanders trailed Hillary Clinton 57%-15%, but his fifteen percent made him the second most popular presidential candidate in the country. The media treats Republicans like Carly Fiorina (2%), Ted Cruz (6%), and Rand Paul (7%) like they are serious candidates, but Bernie Sanders has two to seven times more support than these three Republicans. Why does the media treat Sen. Sanders like he is token opposition to former Sec. of State Clinton instead of as the legitimately popular stand alone figure that he is? The answer to this question is located in the media’s bias. The corporate press has convinced itself that the America is a conservative country. They believe that liberal views are not “in the mainstream.” However, recent polling shows that the country is moving left. Politicians like Scott Walker, Ted Cruz, and Mike Huckabee are more out of the mainstream than Bernie Sanders. The media is perpetuating the myth of a horse race election between Democrats and Republicans when the facts are that the Democratic Party has the two most popular candidates. One of those candidates is extraordinarily popular (Hillary Clinton) while the other is more in touch with the sentiment among average Americans (Bernie Sanders) than any candidate on the Republican side. Bernie Sanders is legitimately popular. The prism that the media is trying to force this election into doesn’t fit. Sen. Sanders has a larger base of support than any Republican hopeful, which is why it is time for the media to stop pumping up GOP pretenders and face the reality that Bernie Sanders is legit. ~ http://www.politicususa.com/2015/05/29/bernie-sanders-support-2016-republican-presidential-candidate-poll.html For the past few elections, I've seen most primaries and even the final presidential elections as finding the lesser of two (or more) evils... but Bernie Sanders is someone who I think would legitimately make a very good president. A vote for him wouldn't feel like "settling", and I think his record and reputation and manners are very legitimate and he wouldn't be bought out (like every other candidate is- including Hillary). | ||
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